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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:48 PM May 2016

Bernie's fault.

If only he'd been a good little token candidate. If only they could have marginalized him as a kook. Bernie is the reason why The Most Admired Woman in the World isn't crushing the vulgar talking yam. If only he'd shut the fuck up about income inequality and instead engage in the mealy mouthed pablum about how he wants everyone to do well and how we're all in this together, rich and poor, and how we all need to make sacrifices.

But no. This nothing challenged the party designated nominee and ran on issues that polite democrats know to avoid. He ran like he meant it.

If he'd dropped out after Super Tuesday like a good little insignificant politician, it would have been clear sailing for Hillary. Her favorables would be stratospheric.

If Bernie drops out after California and endorses and campaigns for her, it's too little too late. If she loses to Trump, she bears none of the responsibility. That buck stops with him.

It's will all be Bernie's fault.

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Bernie's fault. (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
Well said. pangaia May 2016 #1
More drama. JoePhilly May 2016 #2
Uh no. This mirrors exactly what many hill fans say. cali May 2016 #6
I'm sorry, but some of this is just getting too silly. JoePhilly May 2016 #12
Hillary is responsible for winning or losing the general election. cali May 2016 #18
Whatever you say. JoePhilly May 2016 #21
Too bad most of us are fucked with Hillary as president too. Well done. Broward May 2016 #35
Lol. Pot calling kettle there doncha think? KPN May 2016 #29
Some of us have never said anything like this... Agschmid May 2016 #43
He's the Ted Cruz of the Democratic Party and he is suffering a similar fate. Trust Buster May 2016 #3
Lol. So false and so ridiculous. He has earned a lot of clout. cali May 2016 #7
He's persona non grata in the Democratic Establishment. Trust Buster May 2016 #11
Yay!!! n/t Melissa G May 2016 #14
No, he's not. They may not know how to deal with him but cali May 2016 #22
I like your avatar RoccoR5955 May 2016 #8
Run away you strong revolutionist......LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #10
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #15
Jury results edbermac May 2016 #44
What's his avatar? Can't see it on my tablet. cali May 2016 #24
Abraham Lincoln nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #38
Thanks, nadin cali May 2016 #40
Feel better? hrmjustin May 2016 #4
+1000 SheenaR May 2016 #5
Bernie could be the next Nader, to those who fail to see the train wreckage that began a year ago. Alex4Martinez May 2016 #9
I read that Trump trolls are all over Dem websites trying hard to divide us up. Rex May 2016 #13
There are also plenty of Brock's CTR people here doing the same thing Ned_Devine May 2016 #30
I would bet money there are 'special interest' groups all over these forums Rex May 2016 #31
So gross Ned_Devine May 2016 #36
Agreed. Rex May 2016 #39
Her supporters have no responsibility for choosing the unlikable, terrible candidate. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #16
Oh....the drama.... Cali_Democrat May 2016 #17
Alas, even if he'd been the good, compliant token candidate SheilaT May 2016 #19
How dare he challenge the corruption. JEB May 2016 #20
It would be better if Bernie pretended the economy was great like the New Democrats do. stillwaiting May 2016 #23
Hard to predict the future, lol. Hope we don't end up pointing the blame BootinUp May 2016 #25
Sounds like one plan. NCTraveler May 2016 #26
Bernie’s fault, or its the RW propaganda bringing up that "email thing" or... Arazi May 2016 #27
He was supposed to be the Maple Syrup Kucinich.... Bluenorthwest May 2016 #28
OMG.....I am so stealing that. nt msanthrope May 2016 #42
He's going to be next-to-irrelevant in a couple of months BeyondGeography May 2016 #32
+1 grossproffit May 2016 #33
Bernie Sanders has been a disaster for this election Demsrule86 May 2016 #34
Yeah, he seems all busted up about their disapproval too. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #37
Yep. His fault that he kept his word to make this the most democratic primary he could. ancianita May 2016 #41

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
12. I'm sorry, but some of this is just getting too silly.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

Every day we're treated to an endless stream of Bernie supporters claiming they won't vote for Hillary if she wins. As if their vote was more consequential or important than that of anyone else.

Now that the end is approaching, and its clear Hillary will win, we're treated to endless OPs about who will be at fault if Trump becomes President. As if that would only be bad for some of us.

Its all drama. Hillary is about to win the primary. And then she'll run against Trump in the General.

The only things that matters then are ensuring that Trump does not become President, taking back the Senate, and trying to knock as many Republicans out of the House as possible.

Everything else is drama.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
21. Whatever you say.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

If Trump becomes President we're all fucked.

Just a fact.

You can try and prevent that ... or you can sit in the corner pouting while loudly proclaiming that its not your fault.

Totally up to you.

KPN

(15,585 posts)
29. Lol. Pot calling kettle there doncha think?
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

Hillsies have been calling out Berners for weeks now about "continuing a charade" that is only hurting both the inevitable nominee and the Democratic Party -- because it could well cause a Trump presidency; and before that, could result in "a conservative SCOTUS for the next 3 decades". So who's blaming who here?

Frankly, in my and most Berners' view, Hillary is the weaker candidate. The D Party created this when they cleared the deck and got the message out that Hillary was the party's next nominee 18 or so months ago! As a result, there were no viable primary candidates besides Bernie to take on someone who was always a weak candidate in the face of American voters today. The Party made the situation even worse by putting together a primary schedule that let a few moderate States to position Hillary as a runaway winner at the get go. She's been losing ground ever since. That's not Bernie's fault or voters fault.

If anyone is to blame, it is the Democratic Party/DNC for letting the Clinton machine control it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. Lol. So false and so ridiculous. He has earned a lot of clout.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

And he is, of course, in no way like Cruz.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
22. No, he's not. They may not know how to deal with him but
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

they're not so stupid as to dismiss the power he now wields by dint of his huge number of supporters, his influence over young voters and his unparalleled success at fundraising.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
8. I like your avatar
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:54 PM
May 2016

NOT!

It proves to me that you are actually a REPUBLICAN!
Why else would you use the consummate Republican as your avatar.
Well at least you are honest.
To my ignore list with you!

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(15,919 posts)
44. Jury results
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

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Alex4Martinez

(2,180 posts)
9. Bernie could be the next Nader, to those who fail to see the train wreckage that began a year ago.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:54 PM
May 2016

We effectively killed democracy with super delegates after our panic and loss in 1968.
The party effectively decided that party bosses would know better than actual voters.
How's that working out?
Americans hate both party frontrunners, they're more likely than ever to vote for a maverick or outsider.

Unless we put our best progressive out there, Sanders, this will not end well.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. I read that Trump trolls are all over Dem websites trying hard to divide us up.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

They certainly have infiltrated DU. Anyone that pushes against free elections, kinda sticks out like a sore thumb. Saw the same not so clever bullshit in 2000 and 2004.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. I would bet money there are 'special interest' groups all over these forums
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

and others, spreading a very $pecific narrative afforded to them by a think tank or conglomerate.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
16. Her supporters have no responsibility for choosing the unlikable, terrible candidate.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

Sad thing is the fact that she is so unlikable has been out there for anyone learn for a while now.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
19. Alas, even if he'd been the good, compliant token candidate
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

and dropped out early, her negatives would still be in the stratosphere.

But of course, his staying in so long (as if she dropped out early in 2008) does give them a convenient scapegoat when she loses.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
23. It would be better if Bernie pretended the economy was great like the New Democrats do.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

It is important to do that because most Americans think things ARE great and clearly trust those politicians who say the economy is strong and American families have recovered.

Silly man. Such a kook and clearly not to be taken seriously!

Think of Obama's legacy! That is clearly what is most important right now.

Dripping just because you never know...

BootinUp

(46,924 posts)
25. Hard to predict the future, lol. Hope we don't end up pointing the blame
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:08 PM
May 2016

at anyone. The truth is, Bernie does have a role, that role is DIFFERENT than it was pre March, or should be imho.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
27. Bernie’s fault, or its the RW propaganda bringing up that "email thing" or...
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:09 PM
May 2016

...Anything is blamed but the fact that she's a bad candidate.

If she loses the GE she has no one else to blame but herself.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. He was supposed to be the Maple Syrup Kucinich....
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

And they are miffed that he's Bernie Sanders instead.

BeyondGeography

(39,278 posts)
32. He's going to be next-to-irrelevant in a couple of months
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

I don't think he's making all the right moves, but he's smart to milk the present for all it's worth. He knows that he'll be ignored post-convention. If it's any consolation to you, that fact alone will absolve him of blame.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
34. Bernie Sanders has been a disaster for this election
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

He has done nothing that will help us beat Trump...just the opposite. I doubt I will ever forgive him ...Roe V Wade is on the line...and it is not a distraction.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
37. Yeah, he seems all busted up about their disapproval too.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

(not)

HRC and DWS have become too arrogant for their own good.

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