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jg10003

(974 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:15 PM May 2016

Hillary's 1st broken promise; a debate in Ca.

The debate saga so far:

1) The DNC originally schedules 6 debates.

2) Sanders, O’Malley, and others demand more debates but DWS refuses.

3) Then as the New Hampshire primary approaches and Clinton is behind in the polls, she suddenly wants an additional debate in New Hampshire.

4) Sanders agrees to an additional debate in New Hampshire provided that Clinton agrees to another 3 debates, one each in March, April, and May (before the California primary).

5) Clinton agrees to Sander's conditions and the additional New Hampshire debate is held.

6) Clinton refuses to debate in California because it is not in her interest to do so. This is despite the fact that Clinton is a superb debater and will probably be the nominee in any case.

Can someone explain to me why I should trust Clinton to keep her major promises when she will not keep such a small and simple promise?

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Hillary's 1st broken promise; a debate in Ca. (Original Post) jg10003 May 2016 OP
No sense taking any chances, right Hillary? TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #1
with Bernie and Fox you bet Demsrule86 May 2016 #5
Riiiiight. Can't be that the problem for her is that she'll be asked about real issues of integrity JudyM May 2016 #12
The campaign is over. apcalc May 2016 #2
Nobody cares Tarc May 2016 #3
"because it is not in her interest to do so." Skinner May 2016 #4
I'd prefer that the eventual nominee-whoever it is- catnhatnh May 2016 #6
(Edited) Skinner May 2016 #9
She is failing to keep her part of an agreement. That is fine with you? JudyM May 2016 #14
In this case, yes. Skinner May 2016 #17
Interesting. Do you believe it is ethical to renege on a deal once you get what you want? JudyM May 2016 #21
I'm saying that the Democratic Primary is -- for all intents and purposes -- over. Skinner May 2016 #24
The deal she is reneging on was made with Sanders. JudyM May 2016 #34
Sanders understands. Skinner May 2016 #36
I don't think she has to worry about being in the GE pdsimdars May 2016 #19
ORLY? Skinner May 2016 #20
We're told she's inevitable. hellofromreddit May 2016 #10
Well said ^ jg10003 May 2016 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #30
Because like you stated--it's small and simple... asuhornets May 2016 #7
that means she will not even attempt hard and complex. Exilednight May 2016 #11
Translation: Go Fox News! FSogol May 2016 #8
Amazing. 26 democratic debates in 2008. Her Majesty is above all that. tabasco May 2016 #13
^^^ couldn't be much more clear. JudyM May 2016 #22
Why should Hillary agree to a debate where Faux Newz and Bernie Sanders will likely gang up on her? Cali_Democrat May 2016 #15
Um. Because she *already* agreed to it. JudyM May 2016 #23
Did HRC agree to a debate on Fox News? emulatorloo May 2016 #27
No, but she has ruled out any debate on any network jg10003 May 2016 #41
Hey! Dem2 May 2016 #16
Also was going to release her transcripts when all others had. All other have and she still pdsimdars May 2016 #18
Not her first broken promise. n/t Orsino May 2016 #25
That's what I was going to say. panader0 May 2016 #38
The primary is over scscholar May 2016 #26
It' the "I'm not speaking to you, Bernie!" maneuver of diplomacy. Aka: Just plain hiding. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #28
She didn't agree to a debate that Fox News and Bernie Sanders set up without her involvement. TwilightZone May 2016 #29
Well put, and that's exactly it! LisaM May 2016 #31
Don't blame Fox. Clinton has ruled out any debate in Ca. on any network jg10003 May 2016 #44
pretty sure its one of her nicknames... "ole broken promise Clinton" ;) boomer55 May 2016 #32
Fox news wanted this debate, they wanted them to have a big fight, Hillary didn't bite but Bernie The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #33
See post #44 jg10003 May 2016 #45
22 democratic primary debates and forums in 2015-2016 BlueStateLib May 2016 #35
Get used to it. She'll break all the other ones if she wins. arcane1 May 2016 #37
This sounds just like, "Mommy, you promised!" procon May 2016 #39
Debates never continue after the contest is decided. Why should this be different? nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #42
She is a coward! B Calm May 2016 #43

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
5. with Bernie and Fox you bet
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

I can hear it now...so Bernie when did you and Jesus walk on water...take your time...Hillary lets talks about...how you are unqualified and despised...30 seconds ... enough time woman (only they didn't say woman).

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
12. Riiiiight. Can't be that the problem for her is that she'll be asked about real issues of integrity
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:47 PM
May 2016

for which she has no justifiable position.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
4. "because it is not in her interest to do so."
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

Call me crazy, but I would prefer that the eventual Democratic nominee -- whoever it is -- avoid doing things that are not in his/her interest.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
6. I'd prefer that the eventual nominee-whoever it is-
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

Avoid lying. And there is no other way to characterize her behavior. Character counts.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
9. (Edited)
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016

I see in the OP she apparently agreed to do a debate in May.

I still don't think she should be doing anything that might hurt her in the general election.

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
21. Interesting. Do you believe it is ethical to renege on a deal once you get what you want?
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

Or by saying "in this case" do you mean that you are good with her winning by whatever means she chooses?

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
24. I'm saying that the Democratic Primary is -- for all intents and purposes -- over.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:01 PM
May 2016

I support Hillary Clinton pivoting to the General Election. Defeating Donald Trump is more important than letting Fox News dictate Hillary Clinton's schedule.

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
34. The deal she is reneging on was made with Sanders.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:21 PM
May 2016

Regardless of the news agency, she made a deal for a Cali debate in order to get the NH debate.

She did not offer to do the debate on another network. She flat out refused to honor her word.

She is going to have to debate tRump anyway. He is going to bring worse to the table than Bernie is. The fact that things are looking worse for her now (polling vs tRump, polling on favorability, DOJ stating that her use of the server is actively being investigated - as much as you hate to hear that) is all the MORE reason, IMO, it's in the best interests of our party to air these things now. Avoiding a debate with Sanders is only going to help her get the nom - it is not going to help the party. Just my view.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
36. Sanders understands.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

Sanders wants Hillary Clinton to beat Trump as much as anyone. He understands why Hillary is pivoting to the general, and will provide her with the room she needs in order to do so.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
20. ORLY?
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

So which one is it: Hoping for indictment? Or hoping for superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters?

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
10. We're told she's inevitable.
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016

If that's the case, she will risk nothing by making good on her promise. If she can't keep a promise when she has nothing to lose, why would we trust her to keep her promises when they're difficult to keep?

She promises to reign in this campaign finance system she's currently benefiting from. Will she?

Response to Skinner (Reply #4)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
15. Why should Hillary agree to a debate where Faux Newz and Bernie Sanders will likely gang up on her?
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

That makes no sense whatsoever.

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
23. Um. Because she *already* agreed to it.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016


Seems the Clintonites don't think having integrity in your word matters.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
16. Hey!
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

I don't want any more f****** boring ass debates - there's nothing I haven't seen 100x already.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
18. Also was going to release her transcripts when all others had. All other have and she still
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

has not.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
29. She didn't agree to a debate that Fox News and Bernie Sanders set up without her involvement.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:09 PM
May 2016

It's cute that you think she did, though.

You should probably be more upset that Fox News is using your candidate for ratings and attention, and he's going along with it.

LisaM

(27,758 posts)
31. Well put, and that's exactly it!
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

I think it's rather typical Sanders behavior to agree to something that is pretty ridiculous on its face and then try to put Hillary in the wrong.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
33. Fox news wanted this debate, they wanted them to have a big fight, Hillary didn't bite but Bernie
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:19 PM
May 2016

was foolish enough tho along with it.
Of course he has nothing to lose.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
37. Get used to it. She'll break all the other ones if she wins.
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

She'll even make new promises and break those too.

And she'll be cheered on for doing it.

procon

(15,805 posts)
39. This sounds just like, "Mommy, you promised!"
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

Little kids say the same thing when they don't get the candy they wanted. The contest is over, and Sanders doesn't get his free publicity and now he's angry that he lost and there is no do overs.

You're right, Hillary is a superb debater, and it is not in her interest to share a stage with the losing candidate as if they were on equal footing and he was still competitive and had some chance of winning. The optics alone would increase his standing, but it would diminish what she has already gained. Since Hillary will be the nominee in any case, she must stay focused on her real opponent, Trump. From now on she should only be concerned with punching upward, hitting Trump and winning the election.

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