2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis is how Neera Tanden feels about Single Payer Healthcare. Hillary put a neoliberal on the
platform committee.
insta8er
(960 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)RIP.
http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000155.html
http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000156.html
http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000157.html
http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000158.html
http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000159.html
http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000160.html
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)They can get conservative things accomplished, and get cheered on by Dems for doing it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)its particularly horrible when people are intimidated out of getting care they need by poor shaming..
Jobs are going away, in 30 years, the way we are going, almost nobody will have a paying job.
technology of various kinds will do almost everything.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Notice the date? It was during Obamacare debates. A knock on NYT paywalls.
Bernie put Cornel West on board. Should I gather some of his tweets for you?
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Then Dems flipped it on them during Obamacare for them freeloading healthcare because they refused?
Yeah, try some nuance and context. Read her previous tweet from right before that one. Cherry picked bullshit.
Cornel West called Obama a "global George Zimmerman".
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)In 2012, a former AIPAC spokesman, Josh Block, launched a campaign to brand several young, liberal writers at CAPs blog, ThinkProgress, as anti-Semites due to their writings on Israel, Palestine and Iran. CAP and its writers were widely vilified for what Ben Smith, then of Politico, calleddeviations from the bipartisan consensus on Israel, and for voicing a heretical and often critical stance on Israel heretofore confined to the political margins. Among other crimes, these CAP writers stood accused of failing to sufficiently praise the Netanyahu government: Warm words for Israel can be hard to find on [CAPs] blogs, Smith noted.
Rather than stand behind its writers, top CAP officials, led by Tanden, applied constant coercion to stifle content upsetting to AIPAC. As Gharib, one of the vilified CAP writers,recounted last week, CAPs positions moving forward from the attacks including but not limited to virtually banishing criticisms of Israel and Netanyahu from our writings and, in at least one case, needlessly censoring a piece after publication were guided by how to return to AIPACs good graces, often in coordination with AIPAC itself. Most of the CAP writers accused of Israel heresy were gone from the organization within a short time thereafter, and several have publicly revealed that they had been censored on matters pertaining to Israel.
THESE NEWLY PUBLISHED EMAILSreveal AIPAC-pleasing efforts far more heavy-handed than previously known. On January 20, 2012 at the height of the controversy overThinkProgress publications on Israel Tanden wrote an email to CAP founder John Podesta and several of her top aides, including ThinkProgress editor Judd Legum. In that email, Tanden recounted an angry call she received from Ann Lewis who, among other D.C. roles, served as the representativeof Hillary Clintons 2008 campaign on Jewish matters and is also a board member of Blocks hard-line group The Israel Project. The email reflects the censorship demands being imposed on CAP over Israel and how seriously Tanden was taking those demands:
https://theintercept.com/2015/11/05/leaked-emails-from-pro-clinton-group-reveal-censorship-of-staff-on-israel-aipac-pandering-warped-militarism/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Bernie wants to be neutral Hillary is all in with the right wing in Israel.
He's not where I want him to be on that issue eight but he's light years better than Hillary.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)She's completely aligned with the right wing government and AIPAC.
vintx
(1,748 posts)You're wasting your time with that one
Research Neera Tanden and Matt Bruenig.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Why don't you run along and do that, Janey
vintx
(1,748 posts)Which of course it can't while we still allow corporate money to rule DC
Which is why we need Bernie and not more new democrats abandoning principles cause they're chasing cash
Baobab
(4,667 posts)You can read the details The Current and Projected Taxpayer Shares of US Health Costs - American Public Health Association We are already paying almost enough to switch to Single Payer and we then save so much we get it for almost nothing!.
Contrast that to State Health Reform Flatlines (2008) which shows us that we've been doing the same things over and over again even though they do not work.
vintx
(1,748 posts)So it's no wonder that our sold -out new dem leadership just throws their hands up and says 'oh well can't do it sorry!'
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Bookmark these to read later-
http://www.citizen.org/documents/Threats_to_Health_Care_Policy.pdf
http://www.iatp.org/files/Trading_Health_Care_Away_GATS_Public_Services_.htm
http://www.iatp.org/files/GATS_and_Public_Service_Systems.htm
http://www.ictsd.org/downloads/2008/06/cassim_steuart_part3.pdf
http://www.cesruc.org/uploads/soft/130303/1-130303131949.pdf
https://business.highbeam.com/437406/article-1G1-148417088/service-supplied-exercise-governmental-authority-under
http://www.ciel.org/Publications/PublicServicesScope.pdf
http://www.gatswatch.org/GATSandDemocracy/health.html
http://www.gatswatch.org/GATSandDemocracy/public.html
http://www.gatswatch.org/GATSbasics.html
https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/reports/gats-and-south-africas-national-health-act
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)It's so obviously a joke that I'm having a difficult time understanding how anyone doesn't see it.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Identity politics is killing this country
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)How sad that you think it is anything close to analogous
zeemike
(18,998 posts)On Tue May 24, 2016, 04:48 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
But but but... she's a woman!!!!!11!1!11!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2043827
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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Sexist bs. And saying identity politics is killing this country is rightwing bs.
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vintx
(1,748 posts)What's funny is I'm a die hard feminist and far more left wing than this all-but-ruined-by-neoliberals party.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)transwomen are infiltrators, and het sex i a perilous catastrophe that should be through a hole in a sheet (if at all)
because radicalism!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)and a supposed "radicalism" that ends up thoroughly reactionary--think Amanda Marcotte or Jessica Valenti
djean111
(14,255 posts)with access to health care.
This is why I think giving Bernie a few seats on committees is an empty gesture.
An apocryphal phrase credited to Henry Kissinger - he considered the poor as "useless eaters". I have no trouble believing he said it, I have no trouble believing he and his neoliberal disciples honestly feel that way.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Neera has been on welfare.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Which is why she was called scumbag aka Internet theme for people who oppose policies they've benefited from.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)Yeah, we are fucked.
LonePirate
(13,386 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)The authoritarians are the ones trying to overturn the will of the people.
http://www.jta.org/2016/04/14/news-opinion/united-states/abe-foxman-bernie-sanders-head-of-jewish-outreach-should-be-fired-for-israel-criticism
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)so they have a captive customer base. With what we pay we should be able to cover everyone if we didn't have this predatory insurance system method for delivering health care.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Over how to determine Bernie and Hillary supporters it wasn't race it was age, and he had data to back it up.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Not to mention, his blogging isn't even his real job. You folks gave $25K to yet another "progressive" con artist.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)I'm certain, you had no idea who he was until I mentioned him in this thread.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)these people make me
It's like they live in opposite-land ... and there are so many examples
frylock
(34,825 posts)How lovely.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)They really don't want their readership reduced to subscribers.
But the Catholic Church from pre-Luther days tweeted to agree. Don't want people reading too much stuff for themselves, now.
I think Twitter should institute a paywall, personally. She could be making money for these gems!
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)The internet went a little nuts when NYT announced that they were putting in a paywall. This is clearly a reference to that.
Here's some context for the paywall controversy from the same time frame.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/04/06/new-york-times-publisher-sulzberger-defends-newspapers-online-pay-plan.html
http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/17/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-nytimes-com-paywall/
Or do a search for "NY Times paywall" and focus on Feb/March/April 2011 and you'll find about a million articles.
Her post also says nothing about single-payer healthcare, but oh well.
As an aside, the decline in critical thinking skills and the inability to read for context around here make me a little sad.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Vinca
(50,168 posts)That's a nice pitch for the voters. "Vote Hillary, Stop Freeloaders."
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Hardly a proper reaction, wouldn't you say?
https://twitter.com/neeratanden/with_replies
TheKentuckian
(24,940 posts)Nope! A man with liberal views beats a Fiorina woman type every time.
You think I feel represented by Clarence Thomas being on the Supreme Court? Give me a liberal white woman to represent me any day.
wildeyed
(11,240 posts)An OLD joke.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)wildeyed
(11,240 posts)a second (reliable) source that verifies the information first. That is Greenwald's rag, he was in on the kerfuffle with her and the Demos guy and made unsubstantiated attacks. Clearly he has an agenda too.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)value.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)end up with a Republican Corporatist drastically increases.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)since then, my impression of her has gone way downhill...