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Trump Has Overtaken Hillary in Polling Averages; Only Bernie Can Beat Trump (Original Post) amborin May 2016 OP
The problem for Trump is the EC. Socal31 May 2016 #1
Huffington Post Pollster still Hillary + 4.3 nt BootinUp May 2016 #2
RCP Bundles More Conservative Polls Like Rasmussen, Fox and Gravis Etc into Its Composite Stallion May 2016 #10
Voters in the Democratic primary have rejected Bernie. Cali_Democrat May 2016 #3
Thats not true that she would win. Baobab May 2016 #5
Hillary beat Bernie. That's my point. Bernie will not be the nominee. nt Cali_Democrat May 2016 #7
Keep clinging to that thread, until it snaps 99th_Monkey May 2016 #11
Given only these two choices which would you pick: PufPuf23 May 2016 #16
OH MY GOD. HE HAS A 0.4 LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALERT THE PRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TwilightZone May 2016 #4
People like you have to lie to us, don't you? The RCP average is currently Clinton +1.0 n/t SFnomad May 2016 #6
LOL! Ever take Statistics 101? amborin May 2016 #13
What do Presidents McCain and Romney have to say? Zambero May 2016 #8
How can a guy who didn't win the nomination be more electable ? He won't be on the ballot. Trust Buster May 2016 #9
Kasich? TSIAS May 2016 #14
Sorry, you have to be chosen by your people to become the nominee. Otherwise, you are 100% Trust Buster May 2016 #15
Because the primary obeyed different rules Jester Messiah May 2016 #23
She received more votes and pledged delegates. That does not represent "different rules". Trust Buster May 2016 #27
Lol, yeah, whatever you say pal. n/t Jester Messiah May 2016 #32
No, it's what the voters have decided. Trust Buster May 2016 #33
"the voters" Jester Messiah May 2016 #34
Intolerance is a sure sign of defeat. Trust Buster May 2016 #35
Aphorisms are a sure sign of having nothing. Jester Messiah May 2016 #37
I'm not going anywhere. The truth always reigns supreme. Trust Buster May 2016 #38
. baldguy May 2016 #12
I bet every losing candidate in every GE was ahead in the polls at some point. n/t pampango May 2016 #17
Secretary Clinton is currently ahead of tRump by +1.0 SFnomad May 2016 #18
now it's flipped one percent MisterP May 2016 #19
The big problem is Sanders will not be the DNC nominee, he cant beat Hillary. Thinkingabout May 2016 #20
Yeah. NanceGreggs May 2016 #21
Rasmussen and Fox polls... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #22
they. don't. care. restorefreedom May 2016 #24
Hillary Will LOSE... Either NOW Or In November. AzDar May 2016 #25
She's not losing the primaries--- she needs less than 80 votes to secure the nominatiom Txbluedog May 2016 #28
No. She DOESN'T. Neither she nor Bernie will have enough PDs to clinch before the Convention... AzDar May 2016 #29
They don't have to wait for the convention. TwilightZone May 2016 #31
And you're welcome to continue your delusion... AzDar May 2016 #39
Sanders can not get nominated by Democrats, so he can not possible win the nomination. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #26
No, only Hillary can beat Trump. TwilightZone May 2016 #30
Maybe Biden could beat Hillary? So, for the good of the party, I demand that Sanders step down Tarc May 2016 #36
That's one hell of a graph. It seriously looks like she's in freefall. hedda_foil May 2016 #40

Stallion

(6,473 posts)
10. RCP Bundles More Conservative Polls Like Rasmussen, Fox and Gravis Etc into Its Composite
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

to put a hand on the scale. They also elected President Romney. Pollster is the better composite

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. Voters in the Democratic primary have rejected Bernie.
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

Hillary has millions more votes.

That's a reality you're going to have to deal with.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. Keep clinging to that thread, until it snaps
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

because at this point, it's all you've got.

Things change fast, and Hillary's lies have caught up to her. She's beyond redemption
at this point ... unless of course you want to fast-track Trump into the WH.

The IG report cannot be undone or retracted. It is what it is, and it clearly shows that
Clinton's been lying her ass off over and over for a fucking year.

Gee, I wonder where all those "untrustworthy" points come from.

PufPuf23

(8,687 posts)
16. Given only these two choices which would you pick:
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton in general election and loses to Trump.

Bernie Sanders in general election beats Trump.

Note: I do not want but think Hillary Clinton will be Democratic nominee and probably beat Trump. Think Sanders would certainly beat Trump in general election. Think if for some reason that Clinton is not available for general election another establishment and DNC approved Democrat (say Biden or Kerry) would replace Clinton rather than Sanders and easily beat Trump.

Reality is that Hillary Clinton is actively disliked by more Americans across all parties (including good long term Democrats) than liked by Democratic party members and her campaign has gone wobbly and is in uncharted terrain.

One cannot imagine that away anymore than one can imagine away primary votes.

Regardless does not promise that united a USA or effective a POTUS or anywhere near the good will and success earned by POTUS Obama.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
4. OH MY GOD. HE HAS A 0.4 LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALERT THE PRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

It's the end of the world as we know it.

How's he doing in the electoral college projections? You know...the stuff that is actually relevant.

Zambero

(8,954 posts)
8. What do Presidents McCain and Romney have to say?
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

Zero-termers who were ahead in the polls early-on should be weighing in.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
9. How can a guy who didn't win the nomination be more electable ? He won't be on the ballot.
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

This thread makes no sense at all.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
14. Kasich?
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:39 PM
May 2016

I think he'd be a much stronger GE candidate, but lost the primary. Primary voters are only a small slither of the vote. Maybe 25 million people voted in the Democratic primary. The winner will need around 55 million votes to win the general.

I'd also make the case that Clinton would have beaten McCain in 2008. Just because she got crushed by Obama doesn't mean she wasn't electable.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
15. Sorry, you have to be chosen by your people to become the nominee. Otherwise, you are 100%
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

unelectable by definition.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
23. Because the primary obeyed different rules
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

Which favored a candidate not liable to win the general. Super smart plan, that.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
27. She received more votes and pledged delegates. That does not represent "different rules".
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:33 PM
May 2016

That's called democracy of the people.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
34. "the voters"
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:50 PM
May 2016

Those that Payday Debbie allowed to vote, anyway. You can take that bullshit somewhere else, I'm not buying it.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
37. Aphorisms are a sure sign of having nothing.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:57 PM
May 2016

Especially the ones created by spontaneous rectal extraction. Buzz off.

LenaBaby61

(6,965 posts)
22. Rasmussen and Fox polls...
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

Which slant right ALWAYS bring the averages down of consolidated polling.

That's what I've always found.

Secondly, too early for REAL polling because the Dem primary is STILL ongoing.

Lastly, IF/WHEN Hillary Clinton does secure the Dem nomination for POTUS, is there still going to be the "But Bernie allegedly still beats Trump by double digits meme?"

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. they. don't. care.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

i actually think the dnc would rather lose to trump than win with bernie for two reasons

1 they are under the misguided idea that trump will not turn over the gravy train as much as bernie will

2 if for no other reason than spite. bernie denied her coronation and they hate him for it

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
29. No. She DOESN'T. Neither she nor Bernie will have enough PDs to clinch before the Convention...
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
31. They don't have to wait for the convention.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:12 PM
May 2016

Unpledged delegates can be counted once they commit to a candidate. They don't have to wait until the convention.

And they won't. See Obama, 2008.

Hillary will have enough delegates for the race to be called when the polls close on June 7th. You are certainly welcome to continue to believe otherwise, but you'll be in for some disappointment.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
26. Sanders can not get nominated by Democrats, so he can not possible win the nomination.
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:21 PM
May 2016

In 2008, about this time, McCain took the lead while Obama was still in a race for the nomination.

Trump is just getting a Dead Cat Bounce.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
40. That's one hell of a graph. It seriously looks like she's in freefall.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016

And that's before the SD IG report. No wonder the party is freaking.

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