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I'm a Bernie supporter, but only because I want some of that free stuff. (Original Post) Scuba Jun 2016 OP
. Orsino Jun 2016 #1
K&R.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #2
Sorry, but these sound bytes are about as meaningful as "make America great again" Tarc Jun 2016 #3
Very true, and the castigation she and her supporters receive for this very progressive campaign boston bean Jun 2016 #4
It's Hillary supporters here making the right wing 'Free Stuff' remarks about single payer. think Jun 2016 #9
Her supporters are right wingers. This primary season has shown there are a lot of right wingers on JRLeft Jun 2016 #12
Can't be very progressive when tied in with Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, Comcast, etc. Armstead Jun 2016 #19
Yo... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #28
Bernie has a platform with plans to address everything in the OP. What you got? KeepItReal Jun 2016 #5
Hillary has offered no plan for any item in the OP shawn703 Jun 2016 #6
Because . . . Triana Jun 2016 #8
Yeah, it's not like we've seen anything like that from camp Hillary. progressoid Jun 2016 #10
This is what she has actually accomplished. SMFH JRLeft Jun 2016 #13
I get Sh*t done - good job with Lybia hollysmom Jun 2016 #26
Strong Together frylock Jun 2016 #15
or "The Middle Class Needs A Champion"? Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #18
Recognition and exposure of the problems first, then solutions jack_krass Jun 2016 #32
! Arazi Jun 2016 #7
K&R demmiblue Jun 2016 #11
I want real health insurance. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #14
Then Hillary is your gal. She always speaks of "universal health coverage" while Bernie ... Scuba Jun 2016 #16
Please tell me the difference. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #17
"Coverage" means insurance. "Care" means care. Scuba Jun 2016 #20
Bernie wants universal single-payer healthcare. What does Hillary want? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #21
She wants you to buy Bettie Jun 2016 #22
In other words, for-profit insurance companies gouging me. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2016 #23
Yeah, it sucks Bettie Jun 2016 #33
I wanted universal health care until the VA disaster yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #29
brilliant! Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #24
A Democratic Party free of the Third Way.. tokenlib Jun 2016 #25
Me, too! Gimme, gimme! dchill Jun 2016 #27
X10000 onecaliberal Jun 2016 #30
The ONLY candidate in the race that will bring these FREE things. 99Forever Jun 2016 #31

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
3. Sorry, but these sound bytes are about as meaningful as "make America great again"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jun 2016

It's easy to say "fix this". It's hard to say "here's what I'll actually do to fix it".

This is why I have never even entertained the thought of supporting sanders this year; his ideas lack substance and plans to carry them out, while Hillary offers the pragmatic and detailed paths forward.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
4. Very true, and the castigation she and her supporters receive for this very progressive campaign
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jun 2016

platform is vile. Trying to make people out to be their enemy when in fact we have just as progressive and a real path forward.

But soundbites are good for the uninformed masses.

Just look at the Dump. He's got complaints, but he aint got no realistic solutions. Same for sanders.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
12. Her supporters are right wingers. This primary season has shown there are a lot of right wingers on
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jun 2016

this site.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
19. Can't be very progressive when tied in with Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, Comcast, etc.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jun 2016

Can be socially liberal maybe, but can't address the real issues of Wealth and Power when beholden to -- and allied with -- the elites who screw everything up for the majority of the population.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
28. Yo...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary is against any type of single payer/UHC...free public education....trade agreements that don't screw the American worker...


Really...that ain't no progressive. You can call yourself a democrat. Just don't say you're a progressive if you're supporting a candidate that is against the policies that make someone a progressive.

Just because you stuck a feather up your butt doesn't make you a chicken.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
8. Because . . .
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:43 AM
Jun 2016

. . . she's part of the problem.

He isn't.

So who do The Owners (who are also part of the problem) choose for the precariate? HILLARY of course. One of their own.

After all, we can't have too much Democracy here. That would be disasterous for The Owners and their political puppets.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
14. I want real health insurance.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016

I am in a crummy rural HMO and pay $600 a month. My tax burden is horrible and they go by your gross income, not net. On paper I look middle class. After taxes, I am not.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
16. Then Hillary is your gal. She always speaks of "universal health coverage" while Bernie ...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jun 2016

... speaks of "universal health care."











There's a huge chasm between the two phrases.




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Bettie

(15,997 posts)
22. She wants you to buy
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jun 2016

a policy from a for-profit insurance company. Just like you are.

So, you are her best-case scenario.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
23. In other words, for-profit insurance companies gouging me.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jun 2016

Yuck. That's $600 a month. There goes any disposable income I had, going to an evil insurance company. Great. (((SARCASM)))

Bettie

(15,997 posts)
33. Yeah, it sucks
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:12 AM
Jun 2016

Single payer would be the way to go, better for everyone involved (well, except the insurance companies), but I hear that's never going to happen.

Too much money to be made from the current system.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
29. I wanted universal health care until the VA disaster
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:42 AM
Jun 2016

The VA has a million patients and has failed. How on earth will 325 million fair? That is scary. We need to ensure that the VA situation doesn't happen with universal health care. That part is mandatory.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
25. A Democratic Party free of the Third Way..
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:55 AM
Jun 2016

....and free of the influence of demons like Pete Peterson.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
31. The ONLY candidate in the race that will bring these FREE things.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:35 AM
Jun 2016

The ONLY candidate in the race that my conscience is clear voting for.

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