2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJune 3rd, 2008: Barack Obama Clinches Nomination. Before Clinton conceded. Only with superdelegates.
Hillary did not suspend her campaign for another 4 days.
Obama had 1763 pledged delegates, which was 355 delegates short of the 2118 required to clinch the nomination. How could he have possibly been declared the victor, by all news networks?
Because he had commitments from at least 355 superdelegates. Yes, that's right -- they counted superdelegates weeks before they actually voted (just like they count electors weeks before the electoral college formally votes).
Perhaps you can argue that all the news networks are simply wrong. But you will be arguing to an empty room, since no one will be listening. The rest of the world will have moved on, just like in 2008:
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)DURHAM D
(32,595 posts)What are you thinking?
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Response to MadBadger (Reply #4)
BzaDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)But I will say this it certainly was not the beginning of May when Clinton declared there was no way she would not be the nominee.
dchill
(38,321 posts)or alienate his opponent's supporters.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)dchill
(38,321 posts)He clearly said "I will be the nominee..."
But play it any way you want. Your candidate is still irreparably flawed.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...as is now happening so Third Way can bring moderate Republicans into the party.
Good luck, Third Way. Progressives and indies are a coalition that will dwarf the Third Way.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)What's happening is that the majority of Democrats and, yes, progressives have decided that a "revolution" is not what we're looking for. This is the United States of America, where progress happens by evolution, not revolution.
onenote
(42,377 posts)BzaDem
(11,142 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Will that make everyone happy?
Skink
(10,122 posts)Get ready folks cause this ain't over.
onenote
(42,377 posts)But when it becomes official at the convention that Sanders lost it also will be clear that he had effectively lost long before that.
Skink
(10,122 posts)But it ain't over.
onenote
(42,377 posts)will be publicly and effectively designated the loser next week. And not just by me.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Why can't Hillary supporters wait until it is officially over? What is their rush?
Some are acting like children on a long car ride. Are we there yet? No!!!!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)That is the reason for the rush.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Media will get great shots.
then we will move on and Sanders will look horrible. Any respect he was getting from so many, will be gone.
But, wtf right? The tantrum and chaos and mayhem is just too good to pass up.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)This will be the bernie die hards by the convention
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The race is over on Tuesday, he can get on board or get run over.
He lost.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)You don't seem to understand what a contested convention actually is. That's not surprising, most people are too young to have been through one. For starters there can't be a contested convention when there are only two candidates. Not in the modern era of the Democratic Party, where only a simple majority of delegates is required to win. A contested convention involves multiple ballots to determine the winner. When one candidate simply wins on the first ballot, that's not a contested convention.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Because she won.
Part of winning means her people control the convention and make all the rules (those delegates vote).
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Democrats are instead discussing June 8. Thats the day after the California primary, when Clinton is likely to have hit the so-called magic number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination.
Rendell, who supports Clinton, said the former secretary of state needs to tread carefully. I think it would be a mistake for them to begin overtly to take over the process. It would tick off the Sanders campaign, it would tick off Bernie, etc., etc. But somewhere along the line, particularly after June 7, they will come in and take over the convention, he said.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not the DNC head.
They will take orders from Robbie Mook.
If Bernie wants a speaking slot, he has to ask Hillary.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)tandem5
(2,072 posts)nilram
(2,879 posts)Fascinating.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)this is the way it is and Hillary will be our nominee Tuesday night as we take the battle to trump and the conservatives
bernie can go back to vermont for a rest and a nap
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)I will be FURIOUS and completely MADDENED otherwise. My candidate lost, in March, and due to a terrible, idiotic plan going forward (CA, NY, NJ, big delegate states should've been the priority, they didn't give a fuck about basic math).
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)That if Barack Obama at that time was embroiled in an FBI Investigation (or 2! or 3!) that HRC would have forced a contested convention (and she probably would have received a lot of support for it too since it is not too wise to run someone for President that faces possible indictment).
Also, the percentage of Bernie supporters that will not vote for HRC is probably higher than the percentage of HRC supporters who refused to vote for Obama.
There is a different scenario this time. Very different.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Apple, meet orange.
BzaDem
(11,142 posts)just like most who claimed they wouldn't vote for Obama voted for Obama. And most of the remainder aren't Democrats to begin with.
The idea that the length of time it takes to get over a primary loss would affect when the media (and everyone else) call "time" is absurd. Bernie can't force a contested anything, just like HRC couldnt force a contested anything in 2008. Their opponents have a majority of delegates, clear weeks before, and that majority can easily be used to put the Clinton campaign in charge of everything about the convention (which is exactly what happens in conventions every 4 years).