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BzaDem

(11,142 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:47 AM Jun 2016

June 3rd, 2008: Barack Obama Clinches Nomination. Before Clinton conceded. Only with superdelegates.

Hillary did not suspend her campaign for another 4 days.

Obama had 1763 pledged delegates, which was 355 delegates short of the 2118 required to clinch the nomination. How could he have possibly been declared the victor, by all news networks?

Because he had commitments from at least 355 superdelegates. Yes, that's right -- they counted superdelegates weeks before they actually voted (just like they count electors weeks before the electoral college formally votes).

Perhaps you can argue that all the news networks are simply wrong. But you will be arguing to an empty room, since no one will be listening. The rest of the world will have moved on, just like in 2008:

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June 3rd, 2008: Barack Obama Clinches Nomination. Before Clinton conceded. Only with superdelegates. (Original Post) BzaDem Jun 2016 OP
Don't confuse the poor dears with facts, you know they're delicate right now n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #1
Facts? History?? Truth??? DURHAM D Jun 2016 #2
and yet he did not claim he was the nominee until the convention. hollysmom Jun 2016 #3
WRONG MadBadger Jun 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author BzaDem Jun 2016 #15
No need to shout - OK I read the source wrong hollysmom Jun 2016 #22
That's because he wasn't trying to game the system... dchill Jun 2016 #5
June 3, 2008. Ya, He called himself the nominee. Look right above you. seabeyond Jun 2016 #6
I'm aware. I also know what the meaning of "is" is. dchill Jun 2016 #17
yes, he wasn't trying to drive progressives out of the party... grasswire Jun 2016 #19
No, that's not what's happening now at all. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #29
I'm curious as to how much research you did before making that completely untrue statement onenote Jun 2016 #9
Oopsies. n/t BzaDem Jun 2016 #16
From everything I've heard, Hillary will be happy to be the presumptive nominee. anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #7
HRC could have contested Skink Jun 2016 #8
It is over. It may take awhile for the folks that lost to acknowledge that they lost onenote Jun 2016 #10
Sorry to upset you Skink Jun 2016 #12
I'm not the one that upset. That would be those who freak out every time its pointed out that Bernie onenote Jun 2016 #36
Sorry, it is not Christmas yet. You will just have to have patience and wait till the actual day. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #13
Shhh. It's because of the FBI. grasswire Jun 2016 #20
Yes, it is over. Ya, we will get tantrums and fire works. The adults will stand back and watch. seabeyond Jun 2016 #14
Most will give up in a few days and there will only be a fringe group still fighting Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #18
Bernie's hopes of being the nominee will die on Tuesday geek tragedy Jun 2016 #23
No, actually she couldn't have. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #28
The news networks don't make the rules or abide by them. They are often wrong. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #11
Clinton will make the rules. She will start running the DNC on Wednesday. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #24
Oh my, please tell me you are joking? Because otherwise that post would just be pathetic. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #25
You should try reality some time. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #26
That is your reality? I see nothing to support your theory that Clinton will get to make the rules. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #30
The presumptive nominee runs the convention. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #31
Oh stop it, you. People's feefees will be hurt. Hekate Jun 2016 #21
GObama! tandem5 Jun 2016 #27
"I have stood on the stage and gone toe-to-toe with him in 22 debates" nilram Jun 2016 #32
historical facts are in conflict with delusions and the facts do matter beachbum bob Jun 2016 #33
The first woman candidate MUST be declared the same way. joshcryer Jun 2016 #34
I am going to go out on a limb here and say stillwaiting Jun 2016 #35
Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #37
Most of those who claim they won't vote for HRC will actually vote for HRC BzaDem Jun 2016 #38

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
4. WRONG
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:01 AM
Jun 2016
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4987177

"Tonight we mark the end of one historic journey with the beginning of another -- a journey that will bring a new and better day to America. Because of you, tonight I can stand before you and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for president of the United States,

Response to MadBadger (Reply #4)

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
22. No need to shout - OK I read the source wrong
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:56 AM
Jun 2016

But I will say this it certainly was not the beginning of May when Clinton declared there was no way she would not be the nominee.

dchill

(38,321 posts)
17. I'm aware. I also know what the meaning of "is" is.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:30 AM
Jun 2016

He clearly said "I will be the nominee..."

But play it any way you want. Your candidate is still irreparably flawed.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
19. yes, he wasn't trying to drive progressives out of the party...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:57 AM
Jun 2016

...as is now happening so Third Way can bring moderate Republicans into the party.

Good luck, Third Way. Progressives and indies are a coalition that will dwarf the Third Way.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
29. No, that's not what's happening now at all.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:12 AM
Jun 2016

What's happening is that the majority of Democrats and, yes, progressives have decided that a "revolution" is not what we're looking for. This is the United States of America, where progress happens by evolution, not revolution.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
7. From everything I've heard, Hillary will be happy to be the presumptive nominee.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jun 2016

Will that make everyone happy?

onenote

(42,377 posts)
10. It is over. It may take awhile for the folks that lost to acknowledge that they lost
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jun 2016

But when it becomes official at the convention that Sanders lost it also will be clear that he had effectively lost long before that.

onenote

(42,377 posts)
36. I'm not the one that upset. That would be those who freak out every time its pointed out that Bernie
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jun 2016

will be publicly and effectively designated the loser next week. And not just by me.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
13. Sorry, it is not Christmas yet. You will just have to have patience and wait till the actual day.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jun 2016

Why can't Hillary supporters wait until it is officially over? What is their rush?

Some are acting like children on a long car ride. Are we there yet? No!!!!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. Yes, it is over. Ya, we will get tantrums and fire works. The adults will stand back and watch.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jun 2016

Media will get great shots.

then we will move on and Sanders will look horrible. Any respect he was getting from so many, will be gone.

But, wtf right? The tantrum and chaos and mayhem is just too good to pass up.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
18. Most will give up in a few days and there will only be a fringe group still fighting
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:55 AM
Jun 2016

This will be the bernie die hards by the convention

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. Bernie's hopes of being the nominee will die on Tuesday
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:58 AM
Jun 2016

The race is over on Tuesday, he can get on board or get run over.

He lost.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
28. No, actually she couldn't have.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:09 AM
Jun 2016

You don't seem to understand what a contested convention actually is. That's not surprising, most people are too young to have been through one. For starters there can't be a contested convention when there are only two candidates. Not in the modern era of the Democratic Party, where only a simple majority of delegates is required to win. A contested convention involves multiple ballots to determine the winner. When one candidate simply wins on the first ballot, that's not a contested convention.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. Clinton will make the rules. She will start running the DNC on Wednesday.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:01 AM
Jun 2016

Because she won.

Part of winning means her people control the convention and make all the rules (those delegates vote).

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. You should try reality some time.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:04 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-makes-things-awkward-hillary-clintons-dnc-takeover

Waiting until Sanders concedes is out of the question if he makes good on his promise to go to the convention. The convention is the first major endeavor of the nominee, who carefully manages every detail of the show for maximum impact.

Democrats are instead discussing June 8. That’s the day after the California primary, when Clinton is likely to have hit the so-called magic number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination.

Rendell, who supports Clinton, said the former secretary of state needs to tread carefully. “I think it would be a mistake for them to begin overtly to take over the process. It would tick off the Sanders campaign, it would tick off Bernie, etc., etc. But somewhere along the line, particularly after June 7, they will come in and take over the convention,” he said.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
31. The presumptive nominee runs the convention.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jun 2016

Not the DNC head.

They will take orders from Robbie Mook.

If Bernie wants a speaking slot, he has to ask Hillary.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
33. historical facts are in conflict with delusions and the facts do matter
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:48 AM
Jun 2016

this is the way it is and Hillary will be our nominee Tuesday night as we take the battle to trump and the conservatives


bernie can go back to vermont for a rest and a nap

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
34. The first woman candidate MUST be declared the same way.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:53 AM
Jun 2016

I will be FURIOUS and completely MADDENED otherwise. My candidate lost, in March, and due to a terrible, idiotic plan going forward (CA, NY, NJ, big delegate states should've been the priority, they didn't give a fuck about basic math).

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
35. I am going to go out on a limb here and say
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jun 2016

That if Barack Obama at that time was embroiled in an FBI Investigation (or 2! or 3!) that HRC would have forced a contested convention (and she probably would have received a lot of support for it too since it is not too wise to run someone for President that faces possible indictment).

Also, the percentage of Bernie supporters that will not vote for HRC is probably higher than the percentage of HRC supporters who refused to vote for Obama.

There is a different scenario this time. Very different.

BzaDem

(11,142 posts)
38. Most of those who claim they won't vote for HRC will actually vote for HRC
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

just like most who claimed they wouldn't vote for Obama voted for Obama. And most of the remainder aren't Democrats to begin with.

The idea that the length of time it takes to get over a primary loss would affect when the media (and everyone else) call "time" is absurd. Bernie can't force a contested anything, just like HRC couldnt force a contested anything in 2008. Their opponents have a majority of delegates, clear weeks before, and that majority can easily be used to put the Clinton campaign in charge of everything about the convention (which is exactly what happens in conventions every 4 years).

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