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Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:37 PM Jun 2016

I Watched a WWI Documentary Recently

It was called "WWI in Color". Its quite good, the entire series is on youtube right now if anyone is interested. Anyway, in late 1918, the Central Powers were in ruins. Austria-Hungry and the Ottoman Empires had all but collapsed and Germany was in turmoil heading towards a civil war. The Allies had pushed the German military out of France and Belgium and were knocking on the door of the German border. In the final 100 days, nearly 1,000,000 German troops were killed, captured, or wounded. The writing on the way was clear and if the Germans refused to surrender then the Allies would have rushed into Germany and crushed the remaining German forces. However, a few high level generals in the German military believed that they could press on. They believed they could successfully push the allies back hundreds of miles, capture Paris, and win the war. This was a desperate, even delusional position to take. The German military was in shambles and the U.S. was pouring troops into the conflict, easily overwhelming what was left of the central powers. It would have been suicidal to keep fighting and any hopes of victory were beyond non-existent.

This mentality reminds me of the Sanders people. Despite the fact that the war between Sanders and Clinton is only a few days away from being over, they want to keep fighting. They want to pour more resources into a battle that they can't possibly win and do untold damage that will accomplish nothing. It is a position that is based on desperation and not accepting the inevitable, with little to no hope of actual success. Why keep fighting a war that you cannot possibly win? Why put everyone, including yourselves, through the misery of a protracted battle that will have the same outcome no matter what?

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I Watched a WWI Documentary Recently (Original Post) Doctor Jack Jun 2016 OP
a new low nt grasswire Jun 2016 #1
I know but he's your candidate Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #2
We haven't reached the point at which Hillary conceded in 2008. raging moderate Jun 2016 #4
True but talk about bringing it to the convention and campaigning after the primaries end Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #7
Too much like "Fighting Bob." Downwinder Jun 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #12
It's more like Hillary represents the Empire, and Bernie and his supporters are the rebels One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #3
+1! tecelote Jun 2016 #13
But in Star Wars... Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #19
In your scenario, the axis wins AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #5
The Axis Won WWI? Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #8
In YOUR SCENARIO the axis wins AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #9
In my scenario, Sanders supporters are the WWI Germans Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #20
The Axis powers were in WWII.nt hack89 Jun 2016 #28
Your complete ignorance of why Sanders is running should be embarrassing. pangaia Jun 2016 #10
To claim that he won a contest where he lost by 13 points? Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #11
I saw that program on what was then the military channel kydo Jun 2016 #14
I think i have seen the both of the "In Color" series half a dozen times now Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #18
I think all the programs we just mentioned should be required viewing for everyone in the world kydo Jun 2016 #34
Sanders needs 835 Delegates to win, Hillary needs 60 Sheepshank Jun 2016 #15
Slightly off topic but if you have a WWI interest, have you seen The Great War series on youtube? Lucinda Jun 2016 #16
Ooooo, nice Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #17
It's really really well done! Lucinda Jun 2016 #21
Crash Course is another good youtube series Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #22
Oooh thanks much! We don't do cable and I am slightly addicted to youtube. Lucinda Jun 2016 #24
dude that was my plan! kydo Jun 2016 #35
thanks for the link! kydo Jun 2016 #36
YVW! Lucinda Jun 2016 #37
Wait, are the Superdelegates the "high level generals"? panader0 Jun 2016 #23
With all due respect, the FBI may be holding the err.. trump card if I may use a different metaphor Fumesucker Jun 2016 #25
Dream on, because that is all it amounts to. Oh, and that fairy is the only hope Bernie has. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #26
You are a fluke of the universe, you have no right to be here Fumesucker Jun 2016 #31
I've been hearing the charges are coming down "any day now" for 8 months Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #32
I've been hearing that Hillary will be arrested "any day now" for decades. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #38
I have seen them posting "news" from ultra rightwing sites as their sources Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #39
so in going with your scenario will Hillary/DNC be handing us their very own Treaty of Versailles? azurnoir Jun 2016 #27
It isn't over til the Convention ... DEAL WITH IT. AzDar Jun 2016 #29
Uh huh Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #30
About as well-thought out as your WWI analogy... Maybe watch a few more YouTube vids to round AzDar Jun 2016 #33

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
7. True but talk about bringing it to the convention and campaigning after the primaries end
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jun 2016

Its a very desperate situation in the Sanders camp

Response to Doctor Jack (Reply #2)

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
3. It's more like Hillary represents the Empire, and Bernie and his supporters are the rebels
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

from the Star Wars films...remember how the rebels never gave up, despite being outgunned. They win in the end.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
19. But in Star Wars...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jun 2016

Did 55% of people support the empire and only 42% support the rebels? I don't remember relatively few people in the star wars universe actually wanting the rebels to take over.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
20. In my scenario, Sanders supporters are the WWI Germans
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016

And if you want to bring the axis in, that means Sanders supporters will become like the Nazis. Not where I intended this discussion to go and I'm not sure you want that comparison either.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
14. I saw that program on what was then the military channel
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jun 2016

Now its called American Hero's Channel (AHC). That was an awesome series! AHC now airs a WW1 program call Apocalypse WW1. The program you are talking about is much better. AHC also does a WW2 in color which is way better then World at War,

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
18. I think i have seen the both of the "In Color" series half a dozen times now
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

So much detail and so well done.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
34. I think all the programs we just mentioned should be required viewing for everyone in the world
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jun 2016

Especially being that we are 100 years displaced from WW1, it would be a good refresher course on what not to repeat.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
15. Sanders needs 835 Delegates to win, Hillary needs 60
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think his massive shortfall is ever publicized.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
16. Slightly off topic but if you have a WWI interest, have you seen The Great War series on youtube?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jun 2016
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGreatWar

They are covering it week by week with some excellent resources (including media from from British Pathe)

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
17. Ooooo, nice
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jun 2016

Thanks for link. I know what I am going to be doing between Game of Thrones and bed tonight

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
21. It's really really well done!
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jun 2016

We're addicted to it. Binge watched in chronological order from when we found it and are now caught up and watching weekly.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
22. Crash Course is another good youtube series
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jun 2016

They have a ton of different subjects but they do have 3 history series. They only touch on WWI and WWII but overall its a good watch if you want a broad overview of world history and U.S. history.

https://www.youtube.com/user/crashcourse

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
24. Oooh thanks much! We don't do cable and I am slightly addicted to youtube.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jun 2016

Haven't run across that channel before! Much appreciated.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
35. dude that was my plan!
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jun 2016

I'm waiting for the PR results killing time for GoT, maybe I will check out that youtube clip.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
23. Wait, are the Superdelegates the "high level generals"?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jun 2016

Are Bernie supporters going to be killed, captured or wounded?
Your analogy is quite confusing. Is the FBI the Allies?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
25. With all due respect, the FBI may be holding the err.. trump card if I may use a different metaphor
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jun 2016

And at the moment only the FBI knows what's in their hand which they seem to be playing quite close to the chest.

I for one an in favor of waiting until all the cards are shown to cash out of the game. Al Gore never recovered from first conceding the 2000 election to Bush and then retracting the concession.

It's easy to take these frantic "Bernie must drop out" threads as panic that the indictment fairy may tuck something under Hillary's pillow soon and Bernie will be the presumptive nominee.



Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
31. You are a fluke of the universe, you have no right to be here
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jun 2016

Hey, the chances of us two being here now at this particular moment are quadrillions to one, strange things happen.



Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
38. I've been hearing that Hillary will be arrested "any day now" for decades.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jun 2016

Difference is it used to only be wingnut Republicans who said it. Now we've got "progressives" descending into that same madness.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
39. I have seen them posting "news" from ultra rightwing sites as their sources
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

When would breitbart and fox news ever steer us wrong?

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
33. About as well-thought out as your WWI analogy... Maybe watch a few more YouTube vids to round
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

out your exposure/repertoire so you don't look so uninformed when posting... here's a GOOD one:










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