Scotland and Northern Ireland question.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

If they vote to secede from Great Britain what recourse does Britain have and if they secede will Britain be referred to as Great Britain any more?

[Kelvin Mace]

1. Well, NI is not part of Great Britain

and Scotland can't secede from the island without a massive geological intervention. They can secede from the UK. The UK doesn't really have any recourse.

Great Britain will still be called Great Britain.

You might want to watch this:

[ProudProgressiveNow]

21. Thank you for posting this.

Very informative.

[HockeyMom]

2. What would Northern Ireland do?

Become it's own Country or join with the Republic of Ireland? Is the issue of Religion as much a factor as it was in the past, especially with the younger generation?

[Kelvin Mace]

3. Good question

my relations in NI say they are not happy with the vote to leave the EU, but they are a bit less upset about it than Scotland. That said, the idea of having to treat the Republic like a "foreign" country, with border patrols, check points, tariffs, visas, import/export duties, etc, does NOT sit well.

NI could leave the UK and join the EU, or simply reunite with the Republic and automatically be back in the EU. All choices are fraught with political/social peril.

[FSogol]

16. I vote for a United Ireland. Of course, I'd vote for a Celtic Union too.

[OnDoutside]

20. "Simply reunite with the Republic" :) The more likely outcome is that a deal will be done to treat

Ireland's relationship with the UK as a special case, due to the massive amount of trade between each other. Bear in mind, that Ireland is the 10th largest trading partner with the UK, in terms of imports into the UK, and 5th in exports.

[Scootaloo]

4. Sinn Fein is apparently putting forth the notion of a unity poll

Which has, at the moment, been rejected out of hand by the Prime and First Ministers.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland-idUSKCN0ZA0NX

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Could this be this true or is it BS? I saw it in another board.

"My wife's cousin said milk went from 80p to 250p overnight.

Why don't you idiots tell us again how we need Trump...."

[Scootaloo]

6. No idea

I just claim genetics from the island, I don't actually live there

Hell, I couldn't tell you about the price of milk where I do live. I leave that to those lactose-digesting neotenic freakshows.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. The pound is getting pounded so that means it buys less...

That does seem like hyperbole though.

[Scootaloo]

8. Well, reading up on it..

The Pound is at its lowest point since 1985. It dropped 7.1% against the dollar. Which apparently looks like this:

[OnDoutside]

19. No, not true.

[Kelvin Mace]

26. I'll be talking to my aunt in Enniskillen

tomorrow, I'll ask her.

[OnDoutside]

18. Which is typical of their snake like tactics. Not a chance of it happening thankfully.

[BlueMTexpat]

22. Or join with Scotland ...

which might have better odds. Yes, it shares a border with the ROI. But it shares history and religious culture with Scotland.

Either way, I believe that there will be a break-up from the UK.

[Ilsa]

24. The Guardian ran an interesting article

about the border of NI and Ireland, that Brexit didn't consider their issues, etc. Residents will to use their passports, whereas before, since 1998, they could travel more freely.

[cosmicone]

9. There is no "Great Britain" anymore

The official name is "United Kingdom"

NI won't secede because it is not viable on its own and has deep rooted divisions between Catholics and Unionists which makes merger with Ireland impossible.

Scotland can secede and be viable on its own but it is unlikely to happen.

My prediction is that a new PM will order another referendum and suspend Brexit. It was a cocky Tory miscalculation that led to this referendum in the first place. Cameron was so sure of a "remain" that he did it as a political ploy to show his strength to labour and UKIP. It backfired and so he resigned.

[JaneyVee]

10. Not sure it should even be called United Kingdom anymore.

[cosmicone]

12. After Brexit, Kingdazuela would be a better name! nt

[StevieM]

11. The new PM will probably be Boris Johnson, the former mayor of London, who favored Brexit. (eom)

[cosmicone]

13. That would be

jumping off a cliff after eating cyanide.

[dlwickham]

29. into a pit of alligators

and setting yourself on fire on the way down

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. He reminds me of Drumpf.

[BlueMTexpat]

23. Yes, the official shorthand name of the UK is

the "United Kingdom," but the longhand version is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." "Great Britain" refers to the island containing Scotland, England and Wales.

[Kelvin Mace]

27. Not quite.

The "official" name is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". The term "Great Britain" is still used to refer to the island of Great Britain which houses England, Scotland and Wales.

[Scootaloo]

30. "Great Britain" is the name of the Island

"The United Kingdom" is the name of the nation that rules that island, most of the oyutlying islands nearby, and some enclaves elsewhere besides.

[JSup]

15. 'Great Britain' is an island...

'The United Kingdom' is the 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.

If Northern Ireland and Scotland were able to leave it would probably be 'The United Kingdom of England and Wales'.

[DemocraticWing]

17. England and Wales have voted to isolate themselves.

And I think the Scots and the Irish are willing to let them be very isolated as well. A lot of people that supported staying in the UK have changed their minds overnight.

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. The decision to split has to be made by the parliament of the UK

ie passed in both the House of Commons and Lords. That is where sovereignty lies (royal assent is needed too; this has not been a problem for a law for about 300 years - all arguments are sorted out before it gets to that stage). The Scottish Parliament or Northern Ireland Assembly can hold a referendum, or even declare independence, but unless other countries decide to recognise them as independent, that would be meaningless, and no major country is going to do that until the UK parliament has agreed to it. So the UK has plenty of 'recourse'. But if either nation makes a good case, the pressure on the UK to split, somewhat amicably, will be intense.

[Exilednight]

28. They could appeal to the UN after declaring independence. That would put the US in a very

Awkward situation of warning to support those that want independence, and our ties to England.NI and Scotland could make life very difficult for whomever our future SoS and UN Ambassador.

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. The UN is not going to demand the break-up of a member over a regional difference

about the membership of an organisation. This is literally a First World Problem.

[Exilednight]

32. Yeah, and I never thought Donal Trump would win the Republican nomination. Never say never, there ar

Are plenty of former British colonies that would support such a move.