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w4rma

(31,700 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:19 PM Jun 2016

Clinton Delegates Vote Against Clinton Stands on Trade

Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Bernie Sanders

SYRACUSE, N.Y. – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Friday that he was “disappointed and dismayed” that allies of Hillary Clinton beat back Democratic Party platform proposals on trade.

On the other hand, Sanders said he was pleased that the platform drafters adopted language calling for breaking up too-big-to-fail banks and enacting a modern-day Glass-Steagall Act. Sanders also said he appreciated a unanimous vote for a proposal to abolish the death penalty.

Sanders said it was “inexplicable” why Clinton allies on the panel at a meeting in St. Louis, Missouri, voted down proposals on trade that both Sanders and Clinton embraced as candidates. “It is hard for me to understand why Secretary Clinton’s delegates won’t stand behind Secretary Clinton’s positions in the party’s platform,” Sanders said.

The drafting committee rebuffed a proposal by Sanders allies to put the party on record saying Congress this year should not take up a trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Both Clinton and Sanders oppose bringing the measure before Congress this year for an up-or-down vote. Clinton allies nevertheless thwarted the platform proposal.

Delegates also debated a Sanders-backed proposal calling for a $15 an hour federal minimum wage. Clinton’s delegates and members appointed by the Democratic National Committee chair voted to strike down the proposed platform plank.

The drafting committee was considering amendments to a document that will go before the full Platform Committee when it meets next month in Orlando, Florida.

“If our pro-worker amendments do not carry in St. Louis we will reintroduce them before the full platform committee in Orlando, Florida. If we do not win in Orlando we can carry them to the floor of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. Our job is to pass the most progressive platform in the history of the Democratic Party.”

Sanders was in Syracuse, New York, on Friday at a campaign appearance featuring Eric Kingson, a candidate for Congress.

Read more: https://berniesanders.com/press-release/clinton-delegates-vote-clinton-stands-trade/

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Clinton Delegates Vote Against Clinton Stands on Trade (Original Post) w4rma Jun 2016 OP
The platform cannot tell Buzz cook Jun 2016 #1
The platform committee which has been crafting the document for weeks... SaschaHM Jun 2016 #2
Funny my state voted against the TPP and for the $15/hr min wage. Good faith? Vincardog Jun 2016 #12
Unfortunately for you, many more states voted for Clinton's message. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #3
"Sanders said it was “inexplicable” TwilightZone Jun 2016 #4
Clinton's preferred language on a $15 minimum wage is weak and ineffectual. Indexing was rejected. w4rma Jun 2016 #5
Oh, wow, applause. That's how we should make all of our decisions. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #8
Relying on the demands of Wall Street donors is *not* how we should make our decisions. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #10
It is also *not* how we are actually making decisions, nor synergie Jun 2016 #14
Bernie was unable to substantiate this talking point from the primaries when asked, so it R B Garr Jun 2016 #24
You're right. Lobbyist dollars and favors for cronies are the preferable ways to decide. brentspeak Jun 2016 #18
Even if you take Bernie out of the picture... RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #6
It's the party platform, not the Hillary platform. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #7
You don't think platform should reflect candidate or candidate the platform? George Eliot Jun 2016 #22
The committee had already drafted language revolving trade that was agreeable to the campaign. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #9
No....if Clinton is being honest, she is opposed to the TPP and.... Armstead Jun 2016 #20
Family squabble in a big tent. Rose Siding Jun 2016 #11
I'm sure the Wall St. speech transcripts were full of pro-TPP rhetoric. It will happen NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #15
you got it. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #16
I doubt very much that he actually thinks it's "inexplicable". vintx Jun 2016 #17
Bad source. nt William769 Jun 2016 #19
Maybe you can get Politico or BrockNation to retranslate it for you. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #21
She's on board with the TPP, the "gold standard" of trade agreements in her words. AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #23

Buzz cook

(2,470 posts)
1. The platform cannot tell
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

The congress in place to act in any way..


The drafting committee rebuffed a proposal by Sanders allies to put the party on record saying Congress this year should not take up a trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Both Clinton and Sanders oppose bringing the measure before Congress this year for an up-or-down vote. Clinton allies nevertheless thwarted the platform proposal.


Pretty sure that proposal would be out of order. It could however make a more general statement about opposition to the TPP.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
2. The platform committee which has been crafting the document for weeks...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jun 2016

in negotiations with the campaigns themselves, rejected a series of last minute amendments to revise the platform by the Bernie folks. Trade, Health Care, Israel/Palestine, and the Minimum wage were already covered by the platform. They did not magically spring up on the last day because the Bernie folks introduced these amendments. No, they were already in the document,. If the Sanders campaign can't negotiate in good faith with the Clinton campaign, every single amendment of his is doomed to fail. Of course, this was voted down.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
13. Unfortunately for you, many more states voted for Clinton's message.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

Yes, I question the faith of these amendments and the Sanders campaign. The platform committee has been working for weeks and has included things such as a $15 minimum wage and makes no mention of the TPP, instead it acknowledges the differences of views among the party on the issue. However, on the last day, the Sanders delegates show up with amendments to amend the work that had already been done. That is not negotiating in good faith.

Response to w4rma (Original post)

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
4. "Sanders said it was “inexplicable”
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jun 2016

It's not inexplicable in the least. There are a variety of opinions on the issue, including one by the President of the United States, who is the de facto head of the Democratic Party.

The committee is not going to place the wishes of the primary runner-up ahead of the POTUS and head of the party.

"Delegates also debated a Sanders-backed proposal calling for a $15 an hour federal minimum wage. Clinton’s delegates and members appointed by the Democratic National Committee chair voted to strike down the proposed platform plank. "

They voted down AMENDMENTS to the plank, not the plank itself. The plank is IN the platform.

http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284888-dems-adopt-15-minimum-wage-in-draft-platform

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
5. Clinton's preferred language on a $15 minimum wage is weak and ineffectual. Indexing was rejected.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

Rep. Keith Ellison, who was appointed to the committee by Sanders, proposed an amendment to the DNC’s platform that would make support for a $15 per hour federal minimum wage absolutely unambiguous.

The platform originally simply stated that the Democratic Party hopes to “raise and index the minimum wage,” with an earlier implication that this could be $15. Ellison proposed that the language be made clearer and stronger, changed from mere support to a demand to “raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and index it.”

The audience attending the public hearing applauded in response to Rep. Ellison’s amendment.
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/25/clinton_appointees_oppose_15_minimum_wage_amendment_in_democratic_platform_sanders_surrogates_back_it/

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
14. It is also *not* how we are actually making decisions, nor
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jun 2016

Should we be relying on the noise made by those who don't actually know much about their brand new party or its actual platform.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
24. Bernie was unable to substantiate this talking point from the primaries when asked, so it
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jun 2016

makes no sense to repeat it since the primaries are over.

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
6. Even if you take Bernie out of the picture...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jun 2016

Clinton is campaigning on the policy stance that she is against the TPP. So for the committee to go against her policy for the platform she will be running on in November? I think inexplicable is a good word.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
7. It's the party platform, not the Hillary platform.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

As for "against her policy", they neither endorsed nor rejected the TPP in the platform.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
9. The committee had already drafted language revolving trade that was agreeable to the campaign.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jun 2016

They rejected an amendment that tried to insert something else into the platform on the last day. This isn't a tacit endorsement of TPP. This is a refusal to be blindsided at the last minute for publicity.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. No....if Clinton is being honest, she is opposed to the TPP and....
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jun 2016

therefore the platform should support the wish of an incoming President and Congress.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
15. I'm sure the Wall St. speech transcripts were full of pro-TPP rhetoric. It will happen
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jun 2016

come hell or high water. Lucky for those pushing it, the general public has little knowledge of it (thanks MSM), NO power to change things (thanks establishment masters), and short political memories (can't do anything about it so why bother).

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
17. I doubt very much that he actually thinks it's "inexplicable".
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

He knows how shit works in DC.

Say one thing, make sure another thing gets done.

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