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Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:40 PM

Two aspects of immigration reform that get shoved under the carpet -

1. Wages: People are frightened that if all the undocumented people become citizens, they will go out, get jobs, and depress wages, especially at the low end. The fact is, undocumented people are already working, and precisely because they are undocumented, they are lowering wages. Given the protection of citizenship, they would be able to organize to demand better treatment.

2. Disenfranchisement: We hear a lot about Republican fears of Latinos supporting Democrats. What we don't hear about is this: the United States economy depends on the young workers arriving as immigrants. Our failure to recognize this and provide a means for authorized entrance to the US means that we have developed a large underclass denied the right to vote.

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Reply Two aspects of immigration reform that get shoved under the carpet - (Original post)
hedgehog Nov 2014 OP
daleanime Nov 2014 #1
1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #2
Bagsgroove Nov 2014 #3
lunamagica Nov 2014 #4
Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #5
hedgehog Nov 2014 #6
Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #7

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:43 PM

1. K&R....

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:09 PM

2. Actually ...

 

The fact is, undocumented people are already working, and precisely because they are undocumented, they are lowering wages. Given the protection of citizenship, they would be able to organize to demand better treatment.


They won't have to organize to realize better treatment ... legal status, automatically provides Wage & Hour protections, e.g., minimum wage, over-time, and OSHA protections, e.g., safe workplaces. Also, legal status will increase worker mobility. Both of these, will result in INCREASES in wages, across the board, as it will provide a universal floor in wages, and decreases in downward wage pressures.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:01 PM

3. Huddled masses yearning to breath free...and yearning to work too

"... the United States economy depends on the young workers arriving as immigrants."

Exactly. And now more than ever.

The combination of falling birthrates and an aging population in most of the industrialized nations means countries that discourage immigration will soon find that the number of their elderly citizens in need of services exceeds the number of younger workers whose taxes pay for those services.

This is why we should be glad to have so many people around the world who want to come to this country. It is an advantage the U.S. has always had and needs now more than ever.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 03:11 PM

4. K&R

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 03:47 PM

5. Another thing too

for scared, frightened conservatives is that it should be in the interest of public safety that immigrants are able to come "out of the shadows" so that we know who they are and better determine which ones are risks to society and such.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:11 PM

6. Not to mention - the people who are in the shadows now will not

call or cooperate with the police for any reason lest they end up being deported.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:19 PM

7. Excellent point!

n/t

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