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Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:52 AM

 

"No Balls Holder" ain't gonna bring treason charges, so relax.

If he didn't go after the Bush war criminals (Lets look forward) or bank criminals (it would disrupt the economy and probably future campaign contributions), he ain't going after the Funky 47.

Besides, the Constitution defines treason as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. We ain't at war. Therefore, we ain't got no enemy. Now you could argue that Israel is an enemy, having fired upon a U.S. warship but then you have to connect the U.S.S. Liberty episode with the '47.

So to continue with the treason talk is equivalent to tossing one off. It is our Bengazi. It is a lot of noise but nothing more. Find something more useful to forward progressive programs.

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Reply "No Balls Holder" ain't gonna bring treason charges, so relax. (Original post)
Hoppy Mar 2015 OP
rock Mar 2015 #1
Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #2
LineLineReply !
Fuddnik Mar 2015 #8
Hoppy Mar 2015 #11
Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #12
GGJohn Mar 2015 #20
Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #3
sharp_stick Mar 2015 #4
Myrina Mar 2015 #5
TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #6
former9thward Mar 2015 #16
TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #17
FSogol Mar 2015 #7
Fuddnik Mar 2015 #9
Myrina Mar 2015 #14
FSogol Mar 2015 #15
John Poet Mar 2015 #22
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #21
geek tragedy Mar 2015 #10
Hoppy Mar 2015 #13
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #18
Hoppy Mar 2015 #19

Response to Hoppy (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:57 AM

1. So long as the Republican voters can stand them

We're gonna have to stand them too!

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Response to Hoppy (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:58 AM

2. Unrec. Holder is a liberal hero, some folks smearing him on DU is......interesting.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:11 AM

8. !

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:10 AM

11. Well he ain't my hero.

 

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:11 AM

12. You say this because your OP was......unclear?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:13 PM

20. Holder? A liberal hero?

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Response to Hoppy (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:24 AM

3. if there's nothing he could do why the no balls

 

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Response to Hoppy (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:38 AM

4. Yup cause your make believe

hero of the day sure would have done it and then gone ahead and saved us all from Global Warming, made true peace with the Iranians and had Bill O'Reilly fired.

At least try to live in the real world.

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Response to Hoppy (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:52 AM

5. The Logan Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

"The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was intended to prohibit unauthorized United States citizens from interfering in relations between the United States and foreign governments.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony."


Dictionary.com: SEDITION

"se-di-tion
[si-dish-uh n]
noun
1. incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.
2. any action, especially in speech or writing, promoting such discontent or rebellion.
3. Archaic. rebellious disorder. "


But, you are correct - Holder doesn't have the balls, even though the grounds are plain as day.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:09 AM

6. The Logan Act is to all intents and purposes untested

It has seldom been invoked and in this case would surely be fast tracked to the Supreme Court where it would be struck down 5 to 4. Charging the 47 with treason high or otherwise will only cause more and perhaps mortal damage to the union of the United States. The only plan that is sensible is to recall and defeat them at the polls. If that cannot work then we are in the deepest of trouble.

I hate what the 47 and the repukes have done to our country but I would hate even more the dissolution of "The Great Experiment" that is our nation. There are some here at DU and some freeper types that would relish the complete breakdown of the country and revolution, but history shows that the outcome of revolution is seldom what the proponents desired. Kill the Tzar and be taken over by Lenin then Stalin. Behead Louis and Marie Antoinette and get the reign of terror which lasts until its architect Robespierre falls under the blade.

Somehow we need to follow Benjamin Franklin advice, "We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." I would hope that we can evolve to the level of being able to eliminate internal strife without having an external enemy, but that seems to be ingrained in human nature.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:28 PM

16. No, it would be struck down 9-0.

Liberal and conservative DOJs have never used the law in its 216 year history. No one has been prosecuted. Everyone who has taken Constitutional law in Law schools knows it is unconstitutional, including President Obama.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:18 PM

17. That was my thinking but I am unschooled in constitutional law

So I went with the minimum a 5 to 4 decision since the Logan law has never been enforced.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:11 AM

7. Q. When in the last 100 years has the Logan Act been used?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:14 AM

9. A lot less than the Espionage Act.

But, they save that for people who report war crimes.

The criminals? They get the Congressional Medal of Freedom.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:29 AM

14. When has something like this happened in the last 100 years?

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Response to Myrina (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:36 AM

15. Actually didn't the Nixon admin contact Vietnam and Reagan made deals with the Iranians?

The GOP actually has a good track record of wrecking the country for short-term political gain.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:30 PM

22. Both, but the facts didn't really come out

 

on either until they were well out of office... or perhaps even deceased.

The stuff on the Reagan-Bush "October Surprise" was declared "debunked" by the media back around '93, because certain facts were withheld from the public which Clinton would not pursue (the Russian intelligence, for example) and the investigating committee was anxious to close down....
then W. Bush got in office and immediately made a whole lot of files unavailable to the public, particularly concerning his father... Anyway, some evidence on the "October Surprise" didn't come out until fairly recently:

https://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/08/second-thoughts-on-october-surprise/

That's a great site, BTW, one might want to dig around in the archives. It was founded by
Robert Parry, who originally broke the Iran-contra scandal.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:29 PM

21. Or maybe ...

 

"No Balls" Holder, the practicing attorney, can read and understands the law ... unlike those that play legal eagles on the internets.

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Response to Hoppy (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:27 AM

10. this post is performance art nt

 

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Response to Hoppy (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:14 AM

13. My point is to stop useless bloviating about treason and indicting the 47.

 

This is our Whitewater, Bengazi, State Dept emails, blue dress and so forth...it is a lot of noise that is going nowhere.

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:44 PM

18. Shouldn't there be a comma after Balls...

A literal reading suggests there's a person called No Balls Holder.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:17 PM

19. I gotta work on that. You may be correct.

 

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However, is it Shoeless, Joe Jackson?

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