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Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:35 AM

Marylanders-dont-like-martin-omalley-so-why-would-the-rest-of-america??

I have long considered former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, who is kicking off his 2016 campaign Saturday, the longest of long shots. The barriers between O’Malley and the Democratic presidential nomination are virtually endless, but here are four:

Hillary Clinton.
O’Malley has essentially zero support from Democratic office-holders.

He’s garnering just 2 percent support in Iowa, New Hampshire and national primary polls — far worse than Barack Obama at this point eight years ago.

O’Malley made some noise about running to Clinton’s left, but Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is already occupying that ideological space. Meanwhile, O’Malley has been attacked from the left for his policing strategy during his time as Baltimore mayor.

But there’s a far simpler reason for why I’ve doubted O’Malley’s ability to compete: The people who know him best don’t like him. O’Malley is starting way down in the polls, and he’s not well known. And we have evidence that more O’Malley exposure doesn’t equal more O’Malley support. He earned just 3 percent (compared to Clinton’s 63 percent) in a poll of Democratic voters in Maryland conducted in October by The Washington Post and the University of Maryland.

If this strikes you as a surprisingly low percentage for a two-term Maryland governor and former mayor of the state’s most populous city, it should. It speaks to the fact that O’Malley was unpopular enough in deep-blue Maryland that by the end of his second term, Republican Larry Hogan came out of nowhere to defeat O’Malley’s lieutenant governor in the 2014 governor’s race.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/marylanders-dont-like-martin-omalley-so-why-would-the-rest-of-america/

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:43 AM

1. He's not really running for president, he's angling for the VP nomination

 

At least in my humble opinion as a Marylander.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:09 AM

3. nah he's not. he knows there's a snowball's chance of

 

HRC picking a white male liberal from a northeast state.

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 06:00 PM

48. I don't think it is impossible to imagine Hillary picking O'Malley to be her running-mate.

It's not like it would be the craziest thing she could do.

But I hope she considers Julian Castro, and I think it is quite possible that she will select him.

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:09 AM

2. I don't care

He's the one I won't have to hold my nose to vote for in the NJ Primary.

If he makes it that long (a year from tomorrow) - I'm voting for him.

If he doesn't - I'll wait to the G.E. - and vote D.

I'm not giving Sanders or Clinton a 'mandate'.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:11 AM

4. his positions are similar to bernie's.

 

What is it about Sanders that you don't like?

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:35 AM

6. Why do you think O'Malley supporters don't like Sanders? n/t

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:45 AM

8. I'm obviously addressing one poster. as in singular.

 

Why are you using the plural? And I asked because of what the poster said.

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Response to cali (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:50 AM

9. Well, ok then. Sorry to hear your private messaging is broke.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:05 AM

10. why on earth would anyone use pms for such a query? sorry you don't grasp

 

the concept of a discussion board.

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Response to cali (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:10 AM

11. Public forum, not private. Any more instructions on what questions I should ask?

Notice you ask a question and expect and answer. I ask a question and you chide me for speaking out of turn. Wonder who really needs the lesson in public message boards?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:01 AM

13. wow. quite the fantasy. lame

 

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Response to FSogol (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:57 AM

52. THIS^ zzzzing!!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:53 PM

23. I support them both. I'm from Maryland and support Bernie.

 

In fact, Bernie tops my list but I know that he can't win. I'd vote for O'Malley because he's the more pragmatic choice.

I can't stand HRC; she ain't getting my choice.

Sadly, she'll likely win MD, even with O'Malley's name on the ballot because she's probably more popular here than he is, but I'll cast a protest vote because I simply cannot stand voting for her.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:58 PM

25. Every O'Malley supporter I know admires Sanders and his record, but like you, they see O'Malley

as more likely to win. I'll vote for O'Malley in the primary.

I will vote for Hillary if she gets the Democratic nomination. The direction of the Supreme Court is too important to not vote or cast a protest vote, imo.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:30 PM

27. You make a valid point. I'm assuming that because I live in MD

 

I can cast a protest vote against HRC if she's the nominee, but perhaps we'll see how things go. I feel that it won't be as simple as that, even in MD. For some reason, I think this is going to be a tough campaign for the Democrats.

I work at HUD and just receive word that the SCOTUS is attempting to overturn a major provision of the housing discrimination act.

This should not be surprising to anyone.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:22 PM

31. THIS^^^^^^^^^^

And thank you for your post, FSogol. Unfortunately, we have to be realistic. We are ALL voting for a Supreme Court picker. THAT. IS. IT. THAT is what it boils down to.

I've also noticed that many Hillary-supporters tend to be pragmatic - supporting her alright, but MORE than happy to vote for Bernie Sanders or whoever else might wind up winning our party's nomination. I'm certainly one of those. I would be DELIGHTED to vote for Bernie, and support him wholeheartedly! It won't be any hold-yer-nose-and-vote thing for me, if MY first choice doesn't get the nod! I also notice such pragmatism is somewhat more difficult to find within the "Not Hillary" camp. I find that troublesome.

PLEASE GUYS - my DU brothers and sisters - please consider the recollections of one who's old enough to remember when people who were on fire for Gene McCarthy back in 1968 refused to vote for Hubert Humphrey who won the Democratic nomination - just because it was more important to stay home and pout than get out and vote for the team. Or take one for the team. Or however you word it. Because the result was - Humphrey got beaten by RICHARD NIXON AND SPIRO AGNEW. The DIRTIEST Dirty Duo back then (that was before reagan/bush and bush/quayle and bush/cheney, of course).

I'll make this point again. And I say this as one who supports Hillary Clinton but who also is really LOVING Bernie Sanders and is very willing to stand with him if he's our nominee. I fear I see too much rigidity among those who support her Democratic challengers. There are too many on that side who insist they'll stay home (and pout) rather than vote for Clinton if she's the nominee. WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT. If I can compromise (and I am EAGER to make such a compromise if it comes to that), I would hope they'd come around to that same compromise too. And what concerns me is - I don't see a lot of that coming back from that particular arena.

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:31 AM

5. How many of these anti-O'Malley articles is Harry Enten going to write?

Does he have a template? Every two weeks he churns out another one.

O'Malley remains popular in Maryland and even in Baltimore. As Hogan mismanages and cuts education in Maryland, everyone will remember O'Malley more fondly. Blaming O'Malley for Browns crappy campaign is getting old too.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:41 AM

7. Absolutely agreed.

I still can't abide the new governor.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:40 AM

12. I agree completely.

People are feeling Hogan fatigue already. Hogan is cutting money for schools and putting money into prisons. Brown ran a terrible and passive campaign; he was not half the campaigner that O'Malley is.

O'Malley was a successful mayor of a very difficult, diverse, and crime-ridden city. He was a successful governor who made one of the best states even better. He was not a perfect executive, but he was a damn good one, considering the challenges he was faced with. The things he accomplished, with the support of the Maryland legislature, are amazing and numerous. Anyone open to learn can read this exhaustive list in the O'Malley Group on this forum.

There are always things to find fault with, even in the case of successful executives. Governors will always have mixed reactions from their electorate, as presidents have.

He even had the guts to raise taxes progressively in order to rebuild infrastructure, improve schools, and provide better health care for all. Raising taxes and fees made him unpopular among those most affected (cigarette smokers, top 15% of income earners, and gas guzzlers), but it made public schools and services better in Maryland. I'll take the taxes any day, as long as they go to the common good.

Why do I prefer O'Malley to the other candidates? So many reasons, so little time... But here are a few:

I prefer his religiously grounded moral principles of social justice. Though affiliated with no religion myself, I can appreciate where he is coming from. He is a Pope Francis Catholic without the war on women and gays.

I prefer his view that solving economic problems will not be enough. We have to change the way we live together and work together with others. We have to learn to negotiate, both with our fellow Americans and with "like-minded" people abroad.

I prefer his emphasis on pragmatism and common sense. I believe there is too much fighting over left and right. We need problem-solving. We need to "play well with others" who disagree with us in order to work together for common goals.

I prefer O'Malley's youth and energy. Being elderly myself, I understand the effects of aging, no matter how healthy a person may be at the present time. It is tough being president. Campaigning is exhausting as well. Moreover, one of the consequences of aging is both positive and negative: You don't give a damn about what other people think.

I prefer the fact that O'Malley calls himself a democrat. That means a lot to me. I regard both socialism and capitalism as economic systems. As dependent as democracy is on economics in many ways, it depends even more on changes in attitude toward openness, respect for the dignity of each unique person, habits of dialogue and communication, scientific method, and rejection of authoritarian tendencies in our culture and nature.

I prefer O'Malley's inclusiveness and belief in the dignity of each and every human being. I like it when he talks about compassion, generosity, and love. I like the fact that he realizes how awful things are right now for most of us, yet still believes that we have reason to hope if we listen to our "better angels," what is good in our human nature.

I prefer the company of O'Malley's supporters. They are more in sync with my personality and temperament. I dislike authoritarian types, who try to bully others into seeing things their way (or the highway). I have met few O'Malley supporters I wouldn't enjoy having a cup of coffee with.

ETA: I am a Marylander who likes Martin O'Malley.





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Response to Koinos (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:33 AM

14. Thanks for this. I am not a Marylander, but I agree with just about everything you wrote.

Great explanation for your support O'Malley. He really is the inclusive, moral, progressive candidate running for president. I can't imagine any other candidate making the argument he did about giving sanctuary to child refugees.

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Response to askew (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:38 AM

16. Good example!

His stand on that issue was a perfect example of moral principle and compassion.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 11:01 PM

50. How refreshing to hear a supporter's reasons for supporting a candidate rather than

listening to attacks on all of his opponents!

I wish you could give a seminar for those Democrats who focus on tearing down other candidates rather than explaining the virtues of the one they support. I like Bernie best, but even if he can get nominated and elected, I fear he might get kneecapped, as Carter was, by both Republicans AND Democrats. Your analysis has persuaded me to look more closely at O'Malley. The fact that bigtree is also a huge O'Malley supporter is also provoking my interest, since I have a lot of respect for bigtree's heart and mind.

Thanks again for taking the time to make a case for your candidate instead of just tearing down all the others!

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Response to Koinos (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:10 AM

53. A respectable tribute to your candidate OMalley.

Interesting & to the point and you didn't have to shred the dignity of another candidate to raise the dignity of yours.
Thank you. Made me want to actually read what you had to say.

Clearly, by your post, Martin OMalley has the concern & credentials to be a serious player in 2016.
Well done.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:21 PM

22. Tried to find a link to 'comment,'

and/or a way to respond to him; couldn't.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:55 PM

24. I know! As I said upthread, he left office with an approval rating

 

in the 60s. Brown could not capitalize on that because he was a weak candidate. Methinks they are projecting.

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:37 AM

15. O'Malley

 

doesn't have the social-economic record to match Sanders. Besides his rhetoric - at the end of the day he can't be distinguished from the establishment as Sanders can.

Baltimore is baggage for him.

A Veep shot / a compromise candidate - (if the Clinton-Sanders factions become stale-mated)/ a 2020 run - those are his options.

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Response to swilton (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:49 AM

18. Not just rhetoric, he did stuff. Lots of stuff.

Baltimore has been baggage for every mayor who tried to govern that city. O'Malley did his best. He had to attend the funerals of ten Baltimore policemen -- half of them black and half of them white. He monitored the police, took feedback from the community, and lowered the murder and violent crime rate.

O'Malley has experience, working with community groups -- black and white -- to solve crime, poverty, and race issues in a major city. That makes his mayoral executive experience superior to that of Sanders, in my opinion. Getting something done with extremely difficult conditions is, in my mind, of greater merit than getting something done in a city with little or no racial tension, a low crime rate, and much less poverty.

You prefer Sanders. That's great. I am not you. There is more to a candidate than his positions. I prefer O'Malley, and that is also great.

Neither of us is going to vote for Scott Walker, a much less successful governor than Martin O'Malley.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:04 PM

26. I don't understand the disdain. Baltimore was and is an

 

ungovernable city. It has an myriad of problems that existed decades before O'Malley entered office. I work for HUD and my life's work has centered on poverty, unemployment, homelessness...all the social and economic ills that often plague cities like Baltimore. These cities are ungovernable. There's very little one can do because the issues are much more complex. They've become endemic. You're dealing with intergenerational poverty and people become hopeless. Industries leave the city and take valuable jobs with them. That destroys the communities and the people residing in them. There are so many problems--each one of them intertwined with the next.

As much as I love and admire Bernie Sanders, I guarantee you that neither he nor anyone else could've fixed everything wrong with Baltimore in a short 4- or 8-year period.

That's like expecting President Obama to swoop down to Chicago and cure crime, poverty, joblessness, homelessness, etc. These issues are far too complex.

We need to start thinking much more critically than we do.

I don't have all the answers. None of us do; however, mayors can do things to lure investment back to the city. And Baltimore had been turning around. Even in Sandtown and Winchester neighborhoods--some of the worst communities imaginable--progress was being made. However, the housing and economic crises set progress back some, and once again, communities fell into despair. Now, that's going to take a long time to repair and there's no short-term solution.

But to blame one person or one set of circumstances? That's quite unfair. These issues are far too complex.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:23 PM

33. You said it much better than I could.

The real villains responsible for the devastation of Baltimore are the hundreds of companies that have outsourced manufacturing and other jobs for the last forty or fifty years.

Martin O'Malley made a heroic effort to reduce the death toll ultimately caused by high unemployment, poverty, and hopelessness. To his credit, despite anger and resentment from some in the black community, many lives were saved.

None of our candidates can walk on water, and none besides O'Malley took on the impossible job of reducing violent crime in Baltimore. He was elected overwhelmingly by a black majority population two times (91% and 87%) because he promised to do just that.

O'Malley loved and still does love Baltimore. He knew that whatever he did, it would please some and offend others. But he did save lives.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:26 PM

35. I'm awfully skeptical when a downward trend in crime rates

is attributed to some person or policies. It's my understanding that the single most important predictor of crime rates is demographics. In particular, the number in the population of unmarried males between the ages of 16 and around 24. When that group's numbers increase, crime increases. When that group's number decreases, crime decreases. Increases and declines in crime rates are easily attributed to the wrong things.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 12:57 PM

39. No. The singlemost predictor of crime is unemployment.

 

Unemployment leads to poverty. Poverty is most associated with crime.

Where do you get these numbers from? Or, is this a round-about way of blaming single black mothers, yet again?

Show me some statistics and proof. Otherwise, keep your racist assumptions to yourself.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 02:39 PM

42. This information was from a detailed, professional report I saw 4 or 5 years ago.

I don't remember where it was published or who the author was.

Only to respond to your gross accusation of "racism", I'm not going to embark on a time-consuming internet search to try to find my original source, or one like it. You are apparently a person who is content to draw faulty conclusions from incomplete information and to make careless and irresponsible assumptions about perfect strangers.

However, for your edification, here are a few random returns to a search for "crime and age demographics"

http://www.sociology.org.uk/pblsdca.pdf

http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/march97/crime3.html

http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/Does_age.pdf

The first link, from sociology.org.uk, reports that:

* After age 25 we see a steep drop in criminal activity as people take on new roles such as wage earner, parent, spouse etc. The possibility of jail time becomes a relatively more serious matter because of the impact it will have on the perpetrators life and responsibilities.

* Given that the vast majority of crime is relatively petty, older people may cease to follow a lifestyle (clubbing...) that gives them opportunities for these crimes.

* As people get older they take on more personal responsibilities (work / career for example) and social responsibilities (children or a partner for example) which makes them consider the effect their behaviour might have on people they love / value.


The second link -- an informal blog, really -- alludes to the connection between age demographics and crime rates more so than it elaborates on it.

The third link is more detailed and concludes that both age and socioeconomic factors influence crime rates, but that socioeconomic factors predominate.

How you moved from a claim about the relationship between age demographics and crime to an accusation of "racism" and "blaming single black mothers" is a mystery that I don't care to try to solve.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:17 PM

43. You made the association between marriage and crime rates. That is false. Poverty/unemployment

 

are, by far, the greatest predictors of crime.

Age may fall in there somewhat, but you'll see that age corresponds as "working aged" adults.

With fewer jobs opportunities, the probability of crime increases. But, we also need to be clear about correlation and causation:

Unemployment, poverty, etc. are highly associated (read: correlated) with crime but not always the CAUSE of crime.

Second, we need to be clear about the types of crime committed:

Unemployment, poverty is associated with higher property crimes, such as theft, not necessarily violent crimes.

Sources:

http://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1069&context=parkplace
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/crimwage.htm
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/job-market/bindler/bindler-paper17nov14.pdf

Most recent analysis conducted by the Congressional Research Service: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40726.pdf


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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:50 PM

45. There IS a connection between marriage and crime rate,

and it doesn't take a genius to cipher it out, even without a formal study.

After age 25 we see a steep drop in criminal activity as people take on new roles such as wage earner, parent, spouse etc. The possibility of jail time becomes a relatively more serious matter because of the impact it will have on the perpetrators life and responsibilities.


I'm not playing with you any more. Go call someone else a "racist" who gives a shit what you think.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:56 PM

46. There may be an association, but that's not the SAME as a causal relationship.

 

I see what you're trying to assert here and it IS racist! I will call racism out when I see it!

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Response to swilton (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:03 PM

19. It's much more than rhetoric,

he was and is a problem solver, which he demonstrated for 16+ years in Maryland. He knows how to fix things, not just to talk about policy and law.

Martin O'Malley

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

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Response to elleng (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:50 PM

38. I am proud to say Maryland was one of the first few states to put same sex marriage on the ballot

and it passed. I am not gay, but I run with the crowd that believes the government does not have the right to legislate who each of us can or cannot love and marry. For a government to do so is raw discrimination no different than what used to exist against African-Americans and Caucasians.

I have always thought O'Malley was a great governor, and I loved living in the blue state of Maryland during his tenure as Governor.

I have always been against the death penalty, and I swelled with pride when I saw it abolished in Maryland.

We now have a Republican Governor because so many Dems stayed at home, and the last two weeks of the election there was a flood of Republican money thrown into heavy-duty advertising 24-7. Brown made the mistake of not responding to them (but it would have been a full-time job to do so).

O'Malley would make a great Vice President for Bernie Sanders. So would Ms. Warren.

Should Hillary be the primary winner, I will vote for her. But I certainly do not believe she is as liberal as many here think. She is more than capable of compromising with Republicans in ways true liberals will not like in the same manner as did Bill Clinton (the originator of the term "Third Way", as well as President Obama.

Maryland will be switching back to paper ballots in the 2016 election, and I find that very smart. Additionally, we will be able to audit the count should there be a problem.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:10 PM

40. Question: Why would O'Malley be Sanders' VP?

 

Shouldn't it be the other way around? O'Malley has much more executive experience over a longer period of time. He also can boast a long record of accomplishments. And unlike Bernie who I do love, O'Malley presided over a much more diverse electorate and confronted much more complex challenges than Bernie. This is a not a slight against Bernie, but Vermont is much more politically, racially and ideologically homogenous. It is therefore easier to reach consensus and is perhaps one of the reasons why it is more acceptable for Bernie to self identify as a socialist. On the other hand, however, O'Malley has had to contend with a much more heterogeneous population. And believe it or not, Maryland is not as politically/ideologically liberal or Democratic as people think. We've had Republicans dominate governorships and the state legislature over periods of time. It is not unusual to witness partisan flips, and depending on turnout, Maryland can easily become more of a purple than blue state. More important, however, is that Maryland is not as liberal as people assume.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 11:25 PM

51. I really like Martin O'Malley and he was an excellent governor

I also really like Bernie. I do not believe O'Malley can garner the type of popularity Bernie is beginning to generate.

Yes, Maryland is pretty liberal. We have pockets of deeply Republican territories but they have less of a populace in those counties. Hogan is the third Republican governor in Maryland in 50 years. He won because Dems stayed home.

I don't see Maryland ever becoming a purple state. As far as Hogan goes, I doubt he wins a second term. He p*ssed me off right off the bat:

http://www.cbf.org/news-media/newsroom/2015/01/22/cbf-sad-day-for-maryland

and then he refused to fund education in Maryland. That one is REALLY going make him popular.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #51)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:18 PM

58. I don't think Maryland is "very liberal" at all. I think what's happening is that the old guard is

 

dying off and the New Guard that we are seeing may be pushing policies leftward. But I also think that we shouldn't take the Republicans for granted. They are still a formidable force.

AND...the some wealthy white liberals and moderate Democrats don't seem to have problems supporting Republicans re: taxes. I was shocked to learn that many of them did in MoCo where I live. But it shouldn't be surprising because they also supported Connie Morella for a number of years and also didn't have a problem supporting Ehrlich.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #58)

Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:52 AM

60. I believe Montgomery County is one of the wealthiest counties in the United States

Most of the extremely wealthy people I have come in contact with lean to the right. Example: when discussing education with a group of people all of whom were to the right (all in the same family), the subject of education came up. One of the younger men asked, "Why should I pay higher taxes to education other people's children? I don't have any children in public schools." Several people nodded their heads in agreement. I responded, "I don't have any children in public schools either, but I am more than willing to pay higher taxes to educate other people's children. Otherwise, one day when I am pretty old, I will wake up to find my world is run by morons." No one agreed with me. I also mentioned this Country would not be able to compete with other countries that did invest in education for its children. This didn't change anyone's mind either. To me, these people are simply self-oriented to the point they do not care about others. Many of them have a lot of money because they hoard it, not spend it.

I disagree that the Republicans are still a formidable force, except for the fact they will go to great lengths to win, whatever it takes. As far as truly attracting new voters, they are goners. Most of the policies discussed today are so out of touch it is unbelievable. They are trying to take us back to the 40s and 50s.

We do agree on one thing: I could not stand Ehrlich. Michael Steele either.

Sam

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Response to swilton (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:58 PM

29. Actually Sanders and Clinton are the ones with just rhetoric.

O'Malley has a progressive dream list of accomplishments. He's done more for progressive policy than Sanders and Clinton together. Neither of them suceeded in ending the death penalty, enacting SSM, raising minimum wage, enacting strong gun control laws, enacting DREAM Act. If you care about progressive policy accomplishments and not just rhetoric or votes for bills that die in Congress, O'Malley is the obvious choice.

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Response to askew (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:16 PM

32. Damn right!

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:39 AM

17. Marylanders don't like Martin O'Malley? That's bullshit!

 

O'Malley left office with over 60% approval rating.

Even some ReThugs admitted he did a commendable job.

That approval rating may have started to tick down at the end due to people upset over taxes, but overall--O'Malley enjoyed a pretty high approval.

Maryland's did not like Anthony Brown, but that's because of Anthony Brown who was a sorry-ass candidate. He was worse that Martha Coakley and in the same boat as Kathleen Kennedy who sucked as a candidate.

Had little to do with O'Malley other than he chose him.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:12 PM

21. Yes indeed,

and I/we surely miss him now, considering the 'clown' we're stuck with. Jail not Education, for one thing: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/18/1385712/-Baltimore-governor-says-no-to-11-6-mil-for-education-and-yes-to-30-mil-for-children-s-prison

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Response to elleng (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:44 PM

34. School departments statewide are scrambling to deal with funding shortfalls.

There were no such problems when O'Malley was governor.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:51 PM

28. I agree. The DO indeed like O'Malley!

While Clinton might be my first choice for the nomination, I will take O'Malley any day over Sanders, Chaffee, and Webb!

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:49 PM

49. I like O'Malley too, but Anthony Brown was not exclusively to blame for his own loss.

For starters, the GOP did a good job of pillorying the so-called rain tax. The whole party shares the blame for not responding effectively to that.

Second, our party just didn't turn out all across America. Meanwhile the Republicans showed up in droves. I don't see how Anthony Brown can be blamed for that.

Third, independents swung heavily GOP in all races in the final weeks of the campaign, as Republican lies convinced people that ebola was a real and imminent threat to their families.



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Response to StevieM (Reply #49)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:43 AM

54. More on the Bogus Republican "Rain Tax" Talking Point

"Bogus Conservative Media Talking Point: Martin O'Malley 'Taxed The Rain'"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/10/bogus-conservative-media-talking-point-martin-o/203935

Excerpt:

The Baltimore Sun wrote in a June 2014 editorial that "rain tax" claims are "nonsense" since "Maryland does not tax the rain. It has directed its 10 most populous jurisdictions to raise revenue to pay for stormwater management upgrades that will prevent pollution from choking the Chesapeake Bay, per federal environmental regulations." Washington Post reporter Jenna Johnson wrote in a fact check article that "it's more of a pollution tax than a rain tax."

The nonprofit Chesapeake Bay Foundation called the "rain tax" moniker "blatantly false," stating: "The truth is that we are talking about a fee to reduce pollution from water that washes off hard surfaces and empties into local waterways. Runoff pollution is real--it is responsible for no-swimming advisories and beach closures in local waters, fish consumption advisories, and dead zones in the Bay that can't support aquatic life. It also causes localized flooding and property damage. And in many areas, it is the largest source of pollution."

The misleading "rain tax" talking point has repeatedly been used by Maryland Republicans, especially during Larry Hogan's successful run for Maryland governor. In May, Hogan signed SB 863, the "Rain Tax Mandate Repeal (Watershed Protection and Restoration Programs, Revision), which repeals the requirement that forces local jurisdictions to collect a stormwater remediation fee, and instead authorizes such jurisdictions to do so." The Sun reported that "environmentalists worked to get the proposal from an outright repeal of stormwater fees to the version that passed."

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Response to StevieM (Reply #49)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:02 AM

55. All true. n/t

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:09 PM

20. some of Martin O'Malley's accomplishments, for those interested in facts:


1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:07 PM

30. O'Malley's my 2nd choice in the event something happens to HRC. No way could I support the others.

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:28 PM

36. Disappointing to find this at FiveThirtyEight, but perhaps not for the reason you think.

I have no time at all for sweeping pronouncements of the kind Enten is indulging in here. Ranking among potential presidential nominees doesn't serve as proof that Marylanders somehow reject O'Malley the governor.

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Response to CBHagman (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:42 PM

37. I agree.

I used to think of FiveThirtyEight as fair and reliable. I wonder about stuff like this.

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:15 PM

41. Many of Maryland's Democrats didn't bother to vote in 2014 (an off-year election), and Maryland

 

is still using Diebold electronic voting machines. These two reasons helped to elect a
Republican governor.

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:20 PM

44. ...and lower voter turnout was not because of O'Malley but because of Brown, weak candidate.

 

Mid-year elections always have much lower turnouts. Methinks this fivethirtyeight author is full of shit.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:17 AM

56. Many Democrats only vote during presidential years from habit. They don't seem to be able

 

to learn from the unfortunate results -- time, after time after time.

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #56)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:04 PM

57. Yes. Of course I know this, but it was even worse due to Brown's weak candidacy.

 

In fact, it was reported as being among the worst turnout of recent midterm elections.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #57)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:00 PM

59. Yes, Brown was a very weak candidate.

 

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