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Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:56 PM

Quid pro quo?

WASHINGTON — An upstate New York developer donated $100,000 to former President Bill Clinton’s foundation in November 2004, around the same time that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton helped secure millions of dollars in federal assistance for the businessman’s mall project.

Mrs. Clinton helped enact legislation allowing the developer, Robert J. Congel, to use tax-exempt bonds to help finance the construction of the Destiny USA entertainment and shopping complex, an expansion of the Carousel Center in Syracuse.

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The Destiny USA project has attracted criticism. Stephanie Miner, a member of the Syracuse City Council, called it a “boondoggle” that won tax breaks with dubious economic and environmental promises.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/washington/04clinton.html

Lorenz's boss, Destiny owner Robert J. Congel, is a Republican who raised more than $200,000 for President Bush's reelection in 2004. He and his family have given $8,000 to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney this year. Congel has given occasionally to Democrats, often to those in a position to help his business ventures.

Congel, his family and associates affiliated with his development have donated $40,000 to Clinton's state and national campaigns since she first ran for office in 1999.

In May, Congel co-hosted a Syracuse fundraiser for her, an event said to have raised an additional $50,000. Lobbying firms hired by Congel in connection with Destiny and other ventures also donated more than $200,000 to various Clinton campaign funds, records show.

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Clinton spokesman Reines said there was no connection between her earmarks and her campaign contributions. "One thing has nothing to do with the other," he said.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/10/nation/na-earmarks10/3









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Reply Quid pro quo? (Original post)
hedgehog Nov 2015 OP
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #1
Armstead Nov 2015 #4
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #6
Jim Lane Nov 2015 #11
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #12
Jim Lane Nov 2015 #13
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #14
Jim Lane Nov 2015 #18
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #19
floriduck Nov 2015 #20
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #21
floriduck Nov 2015 #22
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #23
Armstead Nov 2015 #17
jeff47 Nov 2015 #5
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #7
jeff47 Nov 2015 #8
Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #9
jeff47 Nov 2015 #10
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #16
UglyGreed Nov 2015 #2
Doctor_J Nov 2015 #3
UglyGreed Nov 2015 #15
sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #24

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:08 PM

1. Quid pro quo, like NRA donation to defeat Sanders opponent? Sanders might play this game and since

I see it brought up so very often. No, not everyone thinks this. What does Sanders get for voting for keeping the F-35 program, and what does he get for all of the other votes he does?

What did Sanders get when his wife make the deal to purchase property Burlington College could not afford and then said they had the donation promises to the banks and it all fell through. We know she got a golden parachute of $200,000 and left the college. What happened there, Quid pro quo.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:16 PM

4. Bernie's quid pro -- Nothing except possibility of jobs for Vermonters.

 

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/vermont/2014/08/20/lockheed-contribution-vermont-delegation-follow-f-contract/14344483/

Lockheed Martin political action committees and employees have contributed generously to members of Congress, including two Vermont lawmakers, since winning the main contract to develop the Joint Strike Fighter jet, the most expensive weapons project ever.

PACs and employees affiliated with Lockheed contributed $12.4 million to members of Congress between Jan. 1, 2001 and Dec. 31, 2013, according to a recent MapLight analysis of contributions compiled by OpenSecrets.org. About $8.1 million went to current members. Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., received $12,000 and Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vt., received $5,200 during that period, according to MapLight, a research group that tracks money's influence on politics.

Over heated objections from some Vermonters, both Leahy and Welch — along with Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. — strongly supported basing F-35s at the Air Guard station at Burlington International Airport.

The analysis shows no Lockheed-related contributions for Sanders, who does not accept corporate PAC contributions.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:24 PM

6. Good admission, so now we know it happens with Sanders also. How much of the $12.4 million went to

Sanders?

What is it with his association with American Crystal Sugar?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:32 PM

11. You are flat-out wrong. Just read the post you were answering.

 

You ask, "How much of the $12.4 million went to Sanders?"

From the post itself:

PACs and employees affiliated with Lockheed contributed $12.4 million to members of Congress between Jan. 1, 2001 and Dec. 31, 2013....

The analysis shows no Lockheed-related contributions for Sanders, who does not accept corporate PAC contributions.


Armstead even helpfully boldfaced the part that shows it did NOT happen with Sanders.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:46 PM

12. The post stated the money went to current members, Sanders is a current member. The amounts listed

For the two members does not add up to the total. Where did the rest go?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:58 PM

13. Just read the damn post!

 

Total contributions: $12.4 million.
Total to current members: $8.1 million.

The amounts listed for the two current Vermont members (other than Sanders) don't add up to $8.1 million. You ask, "Where did the rest go?" I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it went to current members from one of the 49 other states.

And as for the difference between $12.4 million and $8.1 million, obviously it went to people who were in Congress at the time but who have since left office.

I just don't understand how you can keep insinuating that maybe some of this money went to Sanders when the post and the linked article state expressly that the amount going to Sanders was zero, nada, zilch.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:57 PM

14. I read your post, it stated $8.1M went to locals, Leahy got $12,000 and Peter Welch got $5200.

This leaves $8,082,800. I know there was more money which was not accounted to where it went.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:43 PM

18. No! No! No!

 

You say $8.1 million went to locals. Wrong! That's not in the Armstead's post, it's not in the linked article, and it's not in my posts.

It was $8.1 million to ALL recipients who are current members of Congress, not to "locals" (i.e. Vermonters). C'mon, Vermont has only three members of Congress. You've been told that Leahy got $12,000, that Welch got $5,200, and that Sanders got zero. So the rest went to non-locals. Why is it so hard for you to understand that a big company like Lockheed has money going (through PAC contributions and employee contributions) pretty widely, not just to Vermont?

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:01 PM

19. Refresh yourself again on post #4.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:25 PM

20. This poster has little if any

 

reading comprehension. I've had discussions with her previously and she is so tunnel-visioned, there is no hope for getting through to her. Just move on and let her wander in the darkness.

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Response to floriduck (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:50 PM

21. Not only can I read but I am quiet efficient with math. It did not add up.

Sharks are not appreciated. Like a blind man reading a menu.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:32 PM

22. I'm sorry ms. You are lost

 

on this topic. I'm going to follow my own advise and let you wander in your darkness. Have a nice life, if that's possible.

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Response to floriduck (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:35 PM

23. Not in the dark and not a mushroom.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:15 PM

17. Reading comprehension...

 

See last line of post.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:17 PM

5. So...the MIC are morons?

What does Sanders get for voting for keeping the F-35 program

Well, considering Lockheed gives more money to Clinton, apparently you think the MIC are morons, or otherwise unaware of who their "champions" are.

What did Sanders get when his wife make the deal

Aren't you the one who keeps trying to argue Bill Clinton isn't Hillary Clinton? Do spouses only count if their last name doesn't begin with "C"?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:25 PM

7. The OP was about the Clinton Foundation and Hillary doing her job, this opens up the spouses for

discussion.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:29 PM

8. So hypocrisy is OK if "someone else does it first".

Also, you forgot to include the "quo pro" when you threw allegations at Jill Sanders. What'd she get?

Or is this like Whitewater where the only important thing is making the allegations?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:32 PM

9. I did not say anything about Jill Sanders, don't know who she is.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:00 PM

10. Oops, Jane Sanders.

Because that wasn't totally apparent via context.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:05 PM

16. Let them have their day...

Best to savor Hillary Clinton's impending victory...

If the brigade wants to attack me the line starts here and winds around the corner.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:10 PM

2. But they

donate out of the kindness of their heart......

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:15 PM

3. Coincidence!

 

These things just happen.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:05 PM

15. Just like Presidents

allow guests to stay in the White House, people get perks and then the politicians get dollars....it's not a GOP conspiracy as some like to say.


But watchdogs and reformers are up in arms after the New York Times revealed that supporters who raise or donate $500,000 or more will score invites to quarterly meetings with Obama and other exclusive perks unavailable to run-of-the-mill Obama supporters. "Access to the president should never be for sale," said Common Cause president Bob Edgar.

WHO: Andrew Jackson
WHEN: 1829
HOW MUCH: As much as you could afford.
WHAT YOU GET: A job in the Jackson administration under the president's spoils system.
MONEY QUOTE: "To the victor belong the spoils of the enemy"— Sen. William Marcy

WHO: Bill Clinton
WHEN: 1994-95
HOW MUCH: $50,000-$100,000
WHAT YOU GET: An overnight stay in the Lincoln Bedroom or dinner with Clinton at the White House
MONEY QUOTE: "The White House is like a subway: You have to put in coins to open the gates"—Johnny Chung, a Taiwanese-born businessman and major Democratic donor in the 1990s.



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/obama-ofa-access-donations-clinton-lincoln-bedroom

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:35 PM

24. Do they think we are blind? Stupid? What? A Republican, and Trump himself verified this,

gives money to a Democrat for their campaign, why? Because he's in love or something?

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