Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:43 PM

upaloopa (11,417 posts)

"Single payer because other countries do it"

Is that enough to get people to vote for your candidate.

Someone says "well let's take a closer look at that."

Oh no! You lurched to the right!

Hell you look at a used car closer before you buy it than you do at Bernie's ideas.

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"Single payer because other countries do it" (Original post)	upaloopa	Nov 2015	OP
single payer because our system is fucked beyond repair	ibegurpard	Nov 2015	#1
How do I know what you are saying is real?	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#5
What we have now is terrible	newfie11	Nov 2015	#37
There are many in America that like our system now	yeoman6987	Nov 2015	#48
I'm on Medicare and ChampVA	newfie11	Nov 2015	#50
Does the majority like their Heath care? Yes. Democracy works	yeoman6987	Nov 2015	#51
If you like what you have now	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#69
Well actually I did use the Italian program	yeoman6987	Nov 2015	#70
Hmm..	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#72
Do. Your. Research.	HerbChestnut	Nov 2015	#45
This message was self-deleted by its author	NurseJackie	Nov 2015	#2
How about this...	bobbobbins01	Nov 2015	#3
I agree. I expect experts to critique each	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#9
What a cop out.	bobbobbins01	Nov 2015	#10
What are experts saying about our appalling health care system?	arcane1	Nov 2015	#18
yo	Matariki	Nov 2015	#49
Uh, yeah	Aerows	Nov 2015	#4
Sorry those are not our only choices	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#11
Actually, yes, they are.	Aerows	Nov 2015	#23
Please don't be a dumbass.	Ron Green	Nov 2015	#33
Thank you! Nt	newfie11	Nov 2015	#40
Your conservatism is showing.	Broward	Nov 2015	#6
What does that even mean?	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#12
Sure, that's what you're doing. Trying to understand single payer.	Broward	Nov 2015	#17
But that would be SOSHIALISM!!!! Plus, they would tax the Middle Class!11!!!	Romulox	Nov 2015	#7
not because other countries do it	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#8
Do any of you ever look any deeper than words?	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#14
WE do	AgingAmerican	Nov 2015	#16
what would you like me to look at?	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#24
Then why do so few countries do it?	Recursion	Nov 2015	#65
most modern countries	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#80
Yep. But we're committed to dying on the hill of being just like Canada	Recursion	Nov 2015	#81
i dn't know what oecd means...	restorefreedom	Nov 2015	#82
Strawman. And a lame one at that. Single Payer because it's the best option. It works.	arcane1	Nov 2015	#13
You haven't done shit. People are not willing to vote for that	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#19
I thought you wanted to listen to experts, not DUers	arcane1	Nov 2015	#22
So now its because people won't vote for it?	bobbobbins01	Nov 2015	#25
Oh. I see	Aerows	Nov 2015	#26
Cheaper with better outcomes	AgingAmerican	Nov 2015	#15
You'll stay at 25% to 30% with that	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#21
You said yourself that single payer was the ideal	bobbobbins01	Nov 2015	#27
Coming from you that is meaningless	AgingAmerican	Nov 2015	#30
The current system - ObamaRomneycare - is not working.	reformist2	Nov 2015	#20
I want single payer and have for decades. The only thing that makes any sense	PatrickforO	Nov 2015	#28
Hey, do you think you could	Aerows	Nov 2015	#29
Can you explain how we put single payer in place	upaloopa	Nov 2015	#32
You first - tell me why breathing oxygen is bad. n/t	Aerows	Nov 2015	#35
Said......	99Forever	Nov 2015	#31
Well, we examine two things.	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#34
Medicare for all	enid602	Nov 2015	#79
She laid out a big ol case for expansive and endless war, & more warrantless surveillance; combined	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2015	#36
You need to speak up for a cause and we know the cause :( n/t	slipslidingaway	Nov 2015	#61
Single payer because we can	TIME TO PANIC	Nov 2015	#38
We don't want to think too hard	BootinUp	Nov 2015	#39
I heard that same comment on Fox News.	TIME TO PANIC	Nov 2015	#42
care to expand your thoughts?	BootinUp	Nov 2015	#44
About 50% of voters support single payer	MaggieD	Nov 2015	#41
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2015	#57
No, your current FICA is 8% so would be 18%	MaggieD	Nov 2015	#60
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2015	#62
He won't mention it because he knows....	MaggieD	Nov 2015	#63
Because the discussion is over. Single payer is clearly the best way forward. eom	NorthCarolina	Nov 2015	#43
I suggest that you go to Canada,	sadoldgirl	Nov 2015	#46
"worst healthcare in the world because it's the best we can do"	Doctor_J	Nov 2015	#47
Not other, all of our allied democracies. ALL OF THEM!!	longship	Nov 2015	#52
That's just not true though. France has 30% copays. Germany has private insurance	Recursion	Nov 2015	#64
You are correct.	longship	Nov 2015	#66
You're right: they all made holding down provider costs the main part of it	Recursion	Nov 2015	#67
As usual, we agree.	longship	Nov 2015	#68
It's not quite that simple in France	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#71
I can only fit so much on a subject line, but true	Recursion	Nov 2015	#73
There are certainly some things which the French system excels at	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#74
So why are providers the one part of this nobody will talk about?	Recursion	Nov 2015	#75
It needs to be talked about.	Kentonio	Nov 2015	#76
Absolutely agree about the loans	Recursion	Nov 2015	#78
Um uh because it demonstrably works with	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2015	#53
It's enough	tazkcmo	Nov 2015	#54
Tell me there, uploopy.	99Forever	Nov 2015	#55
I really hope you keep using this line of attack.	jeff47	Nov 2015	#56
What of kindergarten analysis is THIS?	MrMickeysMom	Nov 2015	#58
Single payer because everyone, regardless of social status, deserves to live. n/t	Avalux	Nov 2015	#59
Silly. Not because other countries do it. Because the results are better with Medicare for All.	merrily	Nov 2015	#77

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:46 PM

ibegurpard (16,685 posts)

1. single payer because our system is fucked beyond repair

And other countries have EITHER single payer or single payer hybrids that work well and keep costs down. AND they don't saddle their small businesses with the cost.

"Single payer because other countries do it"

1. single payer because our system is fucked beyond repair

5. How do I know what you are saying is real?

37. What we have now is terrible

48. There are many in America that like our system now

50. I'm on Medicare and ChampVA

51. Does the majority like their Heath care? Yes. Democracy works

69. If you like what you have now

70. Well actually I did use the Italian program

72. Hmm..

45. Do. Your. Research.

3. How about this...

9. I agree. I expect experts to critique each

10. What a cop out.

18. What are experts saying about our appalling health care system?

49. yo

4. Uh, yeah

11. Sorry those are not our only choices

23. Actually, yes, they are.

33. Please don't be a dumbass.

40. Thank you! Nt

6. Your conservatism is showing.

12. What does that even mean?

17. Sure, that's what you're doing. Trying to understand single payer.

7. But that would be SOSHIALISM!!!! Plus, they would tax the Middle Class!11!!!

8. not because other countries do it

14. Do any of you ever look any deeper than words?

16. WE do

24. what would you like me to look at?

65. Then why do so few countries do it?

80. most modern countries

81. Yep. But we're committed to dying on the hill of being just like Canada

82. i dn't know what oecd means...

13. Strawman. And a lame one at that. Single Payer because it's the best option. It works.

19. You haven't done shit. People are not willing to vote for that

22. I thought you wanted to listen to experts, not DUers

25. So now its because people won't vote for it?

26. Oh. I see

15. Cheaper with better outcomes

21. You'll stay at 25% to 30% with that

27. You said yourself that single payer was the ideal

30. Coming from you that is meaningless

20. The current system - ObamaRomneycare - is not working.

28. I want single payer and have for decades. The only thing that makes any sense

29. Hey, do you think you could

32. Can you explain how we put single payer in place

35. You first - tell me why breathing oxygen is bad. n/t

31. Said......

34. Well, we examine two things.

79. Medicare for all

36. She laid out a big ol case for expansive and endless war, & more warrantless surveillance; combined

61. You need to speak up for a cause and we know the cause :( n/t

38. Single payer because we can

39. We don't want to think too hard

42. I heard that same comment on Fox News.

44. care to expand your thoughts?

41. About 50% of voters support single payer

60. No, your current FICA is 8% so would be 18%

63. He won't mention it because he knows....

43. Because the discussion is over. Single payer is clearly the best way forward. eom

46. I suggest that you go to Canada,

47. "worst healthcare in the world because it's the best we can do"

52. Not other, all of our allied democracies. ALL OF THEM!!

64. That's just not true though. France has 30% copays. Germany has private insurance

66. You are correct.

67. You're right: they all made holding down provider costs the main part of it

68. As usual, we agree.

71. It's not quite that simple in France

73. I can only fit so much on a subject line, but true

74. There are certainly some things which the French system excels at

75. So why are *providers* the one part of this nobody will talk about?

76. It needs to be talked about.

78. Absolutely agree about the loans

53. Um uh because it demonstrably works with

54. It's enough

55. Tell me there, uploopy.

56. I really hope you keep using this line of attack.

58. What of kindergarten analysis is THIS?

59. Single payer because everyone, regardless of social status, deserves to live. n/t

77. Silly. Not because other countries do it. Because the results are better with Medicare for All.

75. So why are providers the one part of this nobody will talk about?