2016 Postmortem
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Occams razor, also spelled Ockhams razor, also called law of economy or law of parsimony,
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principle stated by the Scholastic philosopher William of Ockham (12851347/49) that pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate, plurality should not be posited without necessity. The principle gives precedence to simplicity: of two competing theories, the simpler explanation of an entity is to be preferred. The principle is also expressed as Entities are not to be multiplied beyond necessity.
Bernie's operative took advantage of a glitch in the software. End of story
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Today's news conference might be more interesting that we think if they are right.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The staffer was running keyword queries while the firewall was intentionally taken down by the data vendor and found information that he shouldn't have had access to, reported it to a supervisor who then reported it to the vendor. And, now they're being blamed for reporting a security breach.
That's the end of the story.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Response to upaloopa (Original post)
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Human101948
(3,457 posts)The Hillary group has no shame.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I prefer to protect my account status.
The excuse makers and this line of "he's a victim" and "just researching" is so laughably flimsy.
But... I do offer you my thanks for the heads-up and reminder of how overwrought people often over-react and lash out. (Not you, others.)
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)The fact of the matter is, the data was exposed to the wrong people and thats an IT blunder. I know, this is my line of work and I've got 15 years experience in developing front end applications that communicate with a database.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)We do know however that Bernie is probably not a sexual predator. Nor are most of the people defending him. And probably most of the Hillary supporters either.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)You don't.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)million innocent Iraqis dripping from her hands and hasn't shown the slightest remorse.
The polite word for that is 'Sociopathic' and explains her followers' lack of shame to a T.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)people.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Seems like you're trying to imply more than old Bill of Ockham would advise.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Geez now you're even building conspiracy theories about my OP!
You should check your cupboard you might need a new roll of Reynolds Wrap
aidbo
(2,328 posts)But to clarify, I was only pointing out that you were doing the conspiracy theorizing when you call the staffer an operative.
That word, in this context, was used to imply that the staffer was operating under direction from someone. A conspiracy of sorts. In attempting to use Ockham's razor to quash conspiracy theorizing, you (perhaps inadvertently) implied one.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Yes, it's so unfair.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+operative&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl
Clinton Operative: About 23,600 results (0.59 seconds)
Sanders Operative: About 4,640 results (0.46 seconds)
Bernie Operative: About 4,260 results (0.30 seconds)
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Do you also believe that the staffer was under orders to do what he did?
Seems like a conspiracy theory to me.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But the excuses and explanations currently being offered seem very flimsy and contrived. Generally, when the excuses being offered this lame, they often fall apart upon scrutiny.
The notion that an "operative" is someone who only follows direct instructions coming from on-high to perform a specific act is a defensive posture that also appears to be flimsy. Use of that word is not (in my mind) an attempt to directly connect Bernie. There is no conspiracy.
I think it's entirely reasonable to refer to someone as an "operative" even if they act independently and make decisions for themselves. If their job is to "operate" or use their skills in such a manner that (they believe) will benefit the campaign, then it's a fair term to use. It is a term that has a certain covertness about it, and apparently, when it comes to campaign planning and research, then it's entirely apt.
No.
Time will probably prove that he acted alone. The overreaction from Bernie's fans certainly does have the effect of throwing gasoline on the embers of suspicion. Blame yourselves for that.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)jeepers
(314 posts)would be that Bernie knew about the glitch, told DWS and that she allowed the breach to persist so that her client could take advantage of it. To not report or to immediately secure the breach is irresponsible at best and approaches dishonesty.
On the other hand there is the possibility that DWS knew about the glitch months ago and that she either didn't tell Hillary about it or that she told Hillary about it but that Hillary chose to ignore it.