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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:26 PM Dec 2015

Occam’s razor

Occam’s razor, also spelled Ockham’s razor, also called law of economy or law of parsimony,

William of Ockham [Credit: Moscarlop]
principle stated by the Scholastic philosopher William of Ockham (1285–1347/49) that pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate, “plurality should not be posited without necessity.” The principle gives precedence to simplicity: of two competing theories, the simpler explanation of an entity is to be preferred. The principle is also expressed as “Entities are not to be multiplied beyond necessity.”


Bernie's operative took advantage of a glitch in the software. End of story

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Occam’s razor (Original Post) upaloopa Dec 2015 OP
Yes. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #1
Seems some Sanders supporter don't think that's why he was fired. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #2
Occam's razor: there was no "glitch." Fawke Em Dec 2015 #3
A better Occam's Razor: there is no spoon. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Dec 2015 #4
So now Bernie is a sexual predator? Human101948 Dec 2015 #5
Absurd question. I'm referring to the desperation of the excuses offered. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #6
That doesn't make your disgusting comparison any less disgusting. phleshdef Dec 2015 #12
I disagree with you completely. But, the likelihood of surviving the alert swarmers is small. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #17
I'm not alerting you. I prefer your comment stands. It says a lot about you. phleshdef Dec 2015 #22
As I said ... "not you" ... others. (Thanks again! I appreciate it.) NurseJackie Dec 2015 #23
All legitimate since you have no way of knowing what actually happened... Human101948 Dec 2015 #13
I am under no desperation, but, you see, I understand data security. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #24
Ironic indeed, given that HRC has the blood of a KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #11
Ho-hum. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #19
Typical sociopathic response to the deaths by violence of a million INNOCENT KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #21
Then why do you call the staffer an 'operative'? aidbo Dec 2015 #7
Tell me what word you prefer and I'll edit it upaloopa Dec 2015 #8
I don't care what you want to call him. aidbo Dec 2015 #16
Site Search: "Hillary Operative" About 15,600 results (0.30 seconds) NurseJackie Dec 2015 #14
See post #16 aidbo Dec 2015 #20
I have no firm beliefs one way or the other with regard to his actions. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #25
Yep. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #9
Yea, someone that has no understanding how this stuff works would say that. phleshdef Dec 2015 #10
The simplest explanation jeepers Dec 2015 #15
More like 'criminal negligence' on DWS' part - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #18
Big f'ing deal. Show damage. Show intent from Bernie Sanders himself, or gloat at party disunity highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #26
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. Seems some Sanders supporter don't think that's why he was fired.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:30 PM
Dec 2015

Today's news conference might be more interesting that we think if they are right.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
3. Occam's razor: there was no "glitch."
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:31 PM
Dec 2015

The staffer was running keyword queries while the firewall was intentionally taken down by the data vendor and found information that he shouldn't have had access to, reported it to a supervisor who then reported it to the vendor. And, now they're being blamed for reporting a security breach.

That's the end of the story.

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
17. I disagree with you completely. But, the likelihood of surviving the alert swarmers is small.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:51 PM
Dec 2015

I prefer to protect my account status.

The excuse makers and this line of "he's a victim" and "just researching" is so laughably flimsy.

But... I do offer you my thanks for the heads-up and reminder of how overwrought people often over-react and lash out. (Not you, others.)

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
22. I'm not alerting you. I prefer your comment stands. It says a lot about you.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:57 PM
Dec 2015

The fact of the matter is, the data was exposed to the wrong people and thats an IT blunder. I know, this is my line of work and I've got 15 years experience in developing front end applications that communicate with a database.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
13. All legitimate since you have no way of knowing what actually happened...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:42 PM
Dec 2015

We do know however that Bernie is probably not a sexual predator. Nor are most of the people defending him. And probably most of the Hillary supporters either.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
11. Ironic indeed, given that HRC has the blood of a
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:41 PM
Dec 2015

million innocent Iraqis dripping from her hands and hasn't shown the slightest remorse.

The polite word for that is 'Sociopathic' and explains her followers' lack of shame to a T.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
7. Then why do you call the staffer an 'operative'?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:38 PM
Dec 2015

Seems like you're trying to imply more than old Bill of Ockham would advise.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. Tell me what word you prefer and I'll edit it
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:40 PM
Dec 2015

Geez now you're even building conspiracy theories about my OP!

You should check your cupboard you might need a new roll of Reynolds Wrap

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
16. I don't care what you want to call him.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:49 PM
Dec 2015

But to clarify, I was only pointing out that you were doing the conspiracy theorizing when you call the staffer an operative.

That word, in this context, was used to imply that the staffer was operating under direction from someone. A conspiracy of sorts. In attempting to use Ockham's razor to quash conspiracy theorizing, you (perhaps inadvertently) implied one.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. Site Search: "Hillary Operative" About 15,600 results (0.30 seconds)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:43 PM
Dec 2015

Yes, it's so unfair.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+operative&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl

Clinton Operative: About 23,600 results (0.59 seconds)

Sanders Operative: About 4,640 results (0.46 seconds)
Bernie Operative: About 4,260 results (0.30 seconds)

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
20. See post #16
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

Do you also believe that the staffer was under orders to do what he did?

Seems like a conspiracy theory to me.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
25. I have no firm beliefs one way or the other with regard to his actions.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

But the excuses and explanations currently being offered seem very flimsy and contrived. Generally, when the excuses being offered this lame, they often fall apart upon scrutiny.

The notion that an "operative" is someone who only follows direct instructions coming from on-high to perform a specific act is a defensive posture that also appears to be flimsy. Use of that word is not (in my mind) an attempt to directly connect Bernie. There is no conspiracy.

I think it's entirely reasonable to refer to someone as an "operative" even if they act independently and make decisions for themselves. If their job is to "operate" or use their skills in such a manner that (they believe) will benefit the campaign, then it's a fair term to use. It is a term that has a certain covertness about it, and apparently, when it comes to campaign planning and research, then it's entirely apt.

Do you also believe that the staffer was under orders to do what he did?

No.

Seems like a conspiracy theory to me.

Time will probably prove that he acted alone. The overreaction from Bernie's fans certainly does have the effect of throwing gasoline on the embers of suspicion. Blame yourselves for that.

jeepers

(314 posts)
15. The simplest explanation
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:44 PM
Dec 2015

would be that Bernie knew about the glitch, told DWS and that she allowed the breach to persist so that her client could take advantage of it. To not report or to immediately secure the breach is irresponsible at best and approaches dishonesty.
On the other hand there is the possibility that DWS knew about the glitch months ago and that she either didn't tell Hillary about it or that she told Hillary about it but that Hillary chose to ignore it.

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