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global1

(25,170 posts)
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:22 PM Jan 2016

The Meme Of Bernie Pulling Hillary To The Left And Her Changing Her Positions Based On This....

to me is problematic. Bernie can do all the pulling of Hillary to the left that he can rummage up. Hillary can assume all of Bernie's positions so she can secure the nomination. However, in the end, which candidate is more apt to actually put these positions into action?

Hillary strikes me as to do and say whatever it takes to secure the nomination. I'm troubled that if ultimately she happens to be elected as President - this turns out to be 'bait and switch'.

I believe that if we Progressives want to move the country back to the left and regain the ground we lost to the Reagan's and Bush's - that we have to have the person that - is and has been talking - the same game all his political career - and that is Bernie.

I'm confident that Bernie will do all he can as President to achieve his platform for The People.

I'm not confident that Hillary will do the same and I don't trust that she will.

That is the reason that I'm backing Bernie all the way. He is the only candidate running for President from both Parties that I really trust to do as he says.

What say you?

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The Meme Of Bernie Pulling Hillary To The Left And Her Changing Her Positions Based On This.... (Original Post) global1 Jan 2016 OP
You are spot on and her record proves it. It's not opinion. It's fact. Good post! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #1
I think that you may have a valid point. pennylane100 Jan 2016 #2
ITA. Hillary cannot be trusted. She'll do or say anything to get elected. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #3
Somehow This Message Needs To Get To The People..... global1 Jan 2016 #4
It's like pulling a rubber band. She'd spring back as soon as pressure is off. thereismore Jan 2016 #5
I think everyone knows this. I don't think her supporters care. Doctor_J Jan 2016 #6
I Agree - She Has Avid Supporters That No Matter What Comes Up - They Still Support Her.... global1 Jan 2016 #11
I have to base this on what I see online because I don't actually know anyone who supports her tularetom Jan 2016 #12
Hillary would appoint corporate-owned persons within her Administration so that stillwaiting Jan 2016 #7
That's how she rolls. I take it that anyone supporting her approves and feels it will move libdem4life Jan 2016 #8
Bernie has consistently acted and spoken Progressive. Hillary borrows it only when expedient. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #9
One candidate has said he favors single payer, publically financing elections, free college for Vincardog Jan 2016 #10
Boomerang politics at its finest. yourout Jan 2016 #13
My opinion Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #14
No question sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #15
HRC is a well known opportunist, like Bill n2doc Jan 2016 #16
Hillary is incredibly elastic. Maedhros Jan 2016 #17
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
1. You are spot on and her record proves it. It's not opinion. It's fact. Good post!
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jan 2016

Kick to the greatest!!!

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
2. I think that you may have a valid point.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

It is not unheard of to learn that political candidates will say what they think will get them elected and then shed their disguise once they are safely in office.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
3. ITA. Hillary cannot be trusted. She'll do or say anything to get elected.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jan 2016

But she won't really change from being on the side of the rich.

global1

(25,170 posts)
4. Somehow This Message Needs To Get To The People.....
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jan 2016

I don't know if this happens through phone banking; knocking on doors; social media; or Bernie or any of his surrogates actually hitting on this and putting it out there.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
5. It's like pulling a rubber band. She'd spring back as soon as pressure is off.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jan 2016

And it feels like pulling teeth.
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. I think everyone knows this. I don't think her supporters care.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jan 2016

They have nebulous and spurious meme's ("An air of competence", "Most qualified candidate", "We need a woman president now", "None of Sanders' ideas are realistic&quot , and no amount of facts will get them to change their minds.

global1

(25,170 posts)
11. I Agree - She Has Avid Supporters That No Matter What Comes Up - They Still Support Her....
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

on spurious meme you missed is "It's her turn" - that's the one that really gets my goat.

I don't know if we will be able to change her supporters minds. There are, however, a lot of people that are still on the fence; there are Independents that still haven't made up their minds and there are Repugs out there that are afraid of their own candidates. My point is that there are a chunk of voters out there that need to here more about Bernie. We might as well pull them into the momentum.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
12. I have to base this on what I see online because I don't actually know anyone who supports her
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jan 2016

But IMO you are spot on. And it seems like, in the event she would actually be elected, they would not care if she reneged on every campaign promise and reverted to her inner republican.

I think they'd find a way to justify it if she bombed Iran, put on a flight suit with a sock stuffed into the crotch and pranced around the deck of an aircraft carrier shrieking "Mission Accomplished".

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
7. Hillary would appoint corporate-owned persons within her Administration so that
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jan 2016

some of us could then blame her advisors for her failure to go against multinational corporations' and the financial elites interests.

Of course, some of us would rightly still blame Hillary, but some would give Hillary the benefit of the doubt and blame her advisors and Cabinet choices.

We have one candidate that can really change the direction of the Democratic Party, and we have one candidate that offers us THE CHANCE at changing directions in this country. One. It's the one not taking money from corporate interests.





 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. That's how she rolls. I take it that anyone supporting her approves and feels it will move
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jan 2016

the country forward...all with the help of, well, you know. It's not like it's a secret after a couple of decades of evidence to support it.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
9. Bernie has consistently acted and spoken Progressive. Hillary borrows it only when expedient.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

This has been proven time and time again, and anyone who ignores this fact is simply ignoring reality for this or that reason.

If we would like a Progressive President, and I know I am hungry for one and it seems many others are also, we need to get behind Bernie and do everything we can.

Frankly and luckily, his message is resonating with so many people, it does my heart proud and really makes me encouraged.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
10. One candidate has said he favors single payer, publically financing elections, free college for
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

Everyone, sustainable economic and energy development and one has mumbled "me too only not so much".
I know which one

I want.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
14. My opinion
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jan 2016

...is that Hillary is a centrist. Bernie is progressive.

My personal beliefs align with Bernie and I feel that Bernie would try to do just what he's been trying to do for years. He has my support and vote.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
16. HRC is a well known opportunist, like Bill
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jan 2016

I think having a high name recognition is a double edged sword. Yes, people know her name and who she is, but they also know she is a politician to the core who is bought by the rich. I know of no-one personally who likes and admires her. They might vote for her if given no other choice but a repub, but that doesn't mean they will if given a good alternative. And the more she flip flops and copies, the more this image of a typical politician gets engrained.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
17. Hillary is incredibly elastic.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jan 2016

Pull her to the left as far as you want, once elected she will snap back to her conservative positions.

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