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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:16 PM May 2019

Sanders: I Can Defeat Trump By Speaking To His Base

RCP, May 9, 2019
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/09/bernie_sanders_i_can_defeat_trump_by_exposing_him_as_the_fraud_that_he_is.html

Sanders: I Can Defeat Trump By Speaking To His Base, "Exposing Him For The Fraud He Is"

Sen. Bernie Sanders told MSNBC on Thursday that his strategy for defeating Donald Trump in 2020 will be to speak to his working-class base and "expose him as the fraud that he is."

"Trump essentially lied to the American people," Sanders said. "Who were hurting, and for too many years the Democratic leadership ignored that pain and ignored the midwest and the flyover states."

"So you expand the base, talking to working people and young people, and we expose Trump for the fraud that he is... when he campaigned on being a friend of the working people," he explained. "You do that, I think I can win. I can defeat Trump and every poll that I have seen suggests we are ahead of Trump, and I think that is the correct way to go forward."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Sanders: I Can Defeat Trump By Speaking To His Base (Original Post) crazytown May 2019 OP
Ahab called. He wants his whale back. NT Bleacher Creature May 2019 #1
You're killin me. we can do it May 2019 #9
Oh my dog! BWAHAHAHA! charlyvi May 2019 #12
Daaaaaaamn! NurseJackie May 2019 #45
!! MrsCoffee May 2019 #68
Bazinga! mcar May 2019 #89
BOOM! NastyRiffraff May 2019 #97
The truth of the matter is, Biden is winning those voters .... Kahuna7 May 2019 #2
Biden is crushing the middle voters, commonly and derogatorily referred to as "centrists". George II May 2019 #19
Boom! (Got that right!) NurseJackie May 2019 #46
Uh, no. MineralMan May 2019 #3
Are you kidding? Mr.Bill May 2019 #53
I find it actually frightening that he may really believe that LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #4
I believe he does obamanut2012 May 2019 #33
+1 SunSeeker May 2019 #55
Oh, I think he absolutely does believe it peggysue2 May 2019 #71
I find a lot of things he believes to be very troubling. betsuni May 2019 #73
Ugh.... n/t OKNancy May 2019 #5
defeat trump by attacking dems leadership. a unique strategy to be sure. nt msongs May 2019 #6
Yep, he never saw a Democrat he couldn't avoid criticizing. George II May 2019 #18
I have NEVER said one word against Bernie... Ferrets are Cool May 2019 #7
You just made me spit water all over my screen and Indygram May 2019 #10
I apologize to your screen Ferrets are Cool May 2019 #13
Good luck with that. It's disgusting that that's who he chooses to court. ecstatic May 2019 #79
I think that Beto has the right approach regarding Trump voters Indygram May 2019 #85
Not without the black vote. nt sheshe2 May 2019 #8
I can not tell a lie, crazytown May 2019 #11
LOL. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #14
In the words of Yoda Srkdqltr May 2019 #15
Once again taking shots at the party HE chose as "his" in order to run for president: George II May 2019 #16
Yes, that's been his strategy for some time: ucrdem May 2019 #76
.. and tomorrow he will get up and complain about NAFTA, Iraq, the ACA (indirectly) ucrdem May 2019 #17
Y'all, the arrogance. WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #20
Trying to change a trump cultists mind Andy823 May 2019 #21
I suppose he's counting on getting back his bros that Kahuna7 May 2019 #22
OMFG..... revmclaren May 2019 #23
"The Democratic leadership ignored that pain and ignored the midwest and the flyover states" ??? W_HAMILTON May 2019 #24
He is delusional lunamagica May 2019 #25
Sounds like Bernie's running against the Democratic Party AND Trump The Genealogist May 2019 #26
If you could explain facts to Trump supporters, there wouldn't be any Trump supporters. CaptainTruth May 2019 #27
Go ahead, speak to them... Blue Owl May 2019 #28
Isn't Trump's base Putin? dem4decades May 2019 #29
Sure, he's white, he's male crazytown May 2019 #30
LOL dem4decades May 2019 #56
I have some advice for Bernie... Mike Nelson May 2019 #31
If he can't win in New Hampshire where can he win? comradebillyboy May 2019 #32
Vermont crazytown May 2019 #35
Oh yeah, Vermont. comradebillyboy May 2019 #37
From memory crazytown May 2019 #40
I presume you're joking. TwilightZone May 2019 #61
Um yes crazytown May 2019 #63
I thought you were, but you never know around here anymore. TwilightZone May 2019 #65
4 Votes for Nee Hampshire crazytown May 2019 #66
Good luck with that. brandnewday2009 May 2019 #34
What part of Trump voters were motivated by cultural anxiety doesn't he understand? DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #36
The failure of the Democratic Leadership part. crazytown May 2019 #39
Please elaborate. DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #41
OK crazytown May 2019 #51
'Come the revolution comrade you will do as you're damn well told' comradebillyboy May 2019 #90
Oh yeah, and crazytown May 2019 #42
I am of the opinion that only Joe can stop Joe. DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #44
All of it. Cha May 2019 #47
Ironically, he still doesn't know that people voted for Trump because of identity politics. betsuni May 2019 #38
Or it doesn't fit into his Cha May 2019 #48
He knows that some of his supporters voted for trump. So he likely Kahuna7 May 2019 #57
A few more posts like this NYMinute May 2019 #43
+1 nt Kahuna7 May 2019 #49
He can speak to Trump's base? LiberalFighter May 2019 #50
Trump's base won't vote for a socialist SHRED May 2019 #52
who is going to represent the democratic base ? JI7 May 2019 #54
Deja vu all over again. This is not 2016. He tried that last cycle... brush May 2019 #64
OFFS. They didn't vote for Trump because they were "hurting" and allegedly "ignored" by Democrats. SunSeeker May 2019 #58
Bernie, fuck Trump's base Downtown Hound May 2019 #59
Good. BeckyDem May 2019 #60
Bernie is in his own little bubble njhoneybadger May 2019 #62
Bye bye birdie. MrsCoffee May 2019 #67
Great! Biden or Our Nominee Could Use Your Help for a Change! DoctorJoJo May 2019 #69
How about a database? crazytown May 2019 #74
Delusions of grandeur honest.abe May 2019 #70
What's left of his base isn't enough to elect him, and anyone supporting him at this point NYC Liberal May 2019 #72
Bernie, the MAGA Whisperer StarfishSaver May 2019 #75
Oh dear.. Cha May 2019 #82
Another day, another gaffe n/t emulatorloo May 2019 #77
Bernie's right, and other candidates know it too. dogman May 2019 #78
Did you draw the short straw revmclaren May 2019 #80
Then he should concentrate on them and challenge Trump in the primary. Ninsianna May 2019 #81
He might have better luck. ucrdem May 2019 #84
! crazytown May 2019 #86
Yeah tell Trumpers your plan to let prison inmates vote in local elections. ucrdem May 2019 #83
Pretty sure his speech will start with "You people are so gullible" dalton99a May 2019 #87
trump's base is too full of racist idiots Gothmog May 2019 #88
Bernie, We Love You, BUT I Don't Think Most Of Donnie's Base Is Reachable Vogon_Glory May 2019 #91
Sure. Convert them to Buddhism while you're at it. nolabear May 2019 #92
Yeah, you do that, BS. Cha May 2019 #93
Democrats simply won't stand a chance in 2020 if we can't energize African American voters. Gothmog May 2019 #94
Absolutely Right. AA turnout fell in 2016. crazytown May 2019 #95
This? RandySF May 2019 #96
 

Bleacher Creature

(11,236 posts)
1. Ahab called. He wants his whale back. NT
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:18 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
2. The truth of the matter is, Biden is winning those voters ....
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:20 PM
May 2019

over both Bernie and Trump. But of course Bernie had to take the opportunity to bash the Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Biden is crushing the middle voters, commonly and derogatorily referred to as "centrists".
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:41 PM
May 2019

He may lose the far far right and the far far left, but he realizes that if he's got 60% of the middle he'll win easy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
46. Boom! (Got that right!)
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:17 PM
May 2019

And there you have it! Elections are won from the center, not from the fringes.

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Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
3. Uh, no.
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:20 PM
May 2019

You can't.

They will simply call you names, starting with "Socialist" and ending with reference to your heritage. And they'll do it while wearing MAGA hats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,104 posts)
53. Are you kidding?
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:31 PM
May 2019

They'll skip Socialist and go directly to Communist.

These are people who called Obama a terrorist.

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
4. I find it actually frightening that he may really believe that
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:22 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
71. Oh, I think he absolutely does believe it
Thu May 9, 2019, 09:01 PM
May 2019

He's been repeating the same spiel for decades; it's ingrained and is why he sounds exactly like the Bernie from the last campaign.

What you see and hear is what you get, same old, same old.

Which is why I think we see the drooping poll numbers; the words, the vague or unsatisfying answers (I'll figure out foreign policy once I'm Prez. In the meantime ask Obama) are past their sell date.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,134 posts)
73. I find a lot of things he believes to be very troubling.
Thu May 9, 2019, 09:20 PM
May 2019

That the primary was rigged, he's the only progressive and They will stop at nothing to prevent the revolution. As The Atlantic put it, it's "a tale Sanders tells of Democratic politics in which he is already the central figure ... . Some of the tale, though, comes closer to solipsistic embellishment, like when Sanders says in his stump speech that 'a funny thing happened over the last four years' and ticks through Democratic support for investment in infrastructure, prioritizing climate change, and reforming the criminal justice system -- all of which were top focuses for Barack Obama."

If I were to vote in a presidential
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msongs

(67,198 posts)
6. defeat trump by attacking dems leadership. a unique strategy to be sure. nt
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:25 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Yep, he never saw a Democrat he couldn't avoid criticizing.
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:39 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ferrets are Cool

(21,063 posts)
7. I have NEVER said one word against Bernie...
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:26 PM
May 2019

I've not supported him as a presidential contender, but I've never said anything bad about him. That changes now....THAT IS JUST FUCKING STUPID.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
10. You just made me spit water all over my screen and
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:31 PM
May 2019

wet myself.

I forgive you, though, because I really needed a good laugh, lol.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Ferrets are Cool

(21,063 posts)
13. I apologize to your screen
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:32 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ecstatic

(32,567 posts)
79. Good luck with that. It's disgusting that that's who he chooses to court.
Thu May 9, 2019, 10:26 PM
May 2019

No wonder his son's a jerk.

Eta: response meant for OP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
85. I think that Beto has the right approach regarding Trump voters
Fri May 10, 2019, 04:12 AM
May 2019

He makes it clear that he isn't going to write anyone off and he wants to represent everyone, even people who won't ever vote for him and he will talk to, listen to and answer the questions of anyone...but he is going to respectfully do so with the courage of his convictions. He in no way panders to those voters and because he is courteous...they usually hear him out too, and that is how you change hearts and minds. You don't do it by attacking or minimizing. You do it by creating an opening to reach them and then planting the seeds. That's what Beto is so incredible at doing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(83,347 posts)
8. Not without the black vote. nt
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:28 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
11. I can not tell a lie,
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:31 PM
May 2019

I DID win SC in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. LOL.
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:33 PM
May 2019

No. Trumpers lost their souls, when they accepted caging children and sending them hundreds of miles away from their parents without keeping records of who their parents were. Trumpers really did accept that as "not my problem. It's THEIR fault." Hearing about toddlers crying and trying to sleep on concrete floors in cages didn't bother Trumpers.

You can't use logic with such people. They are a lost cause. They KNOW he lies. They KNOW he's a fraud. They KNOW he didn't pay taxes. They KNOW he's racist and courted neo-Nazis. They don't CARE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Srkdqltr

(6,129 posts)
15. In the words of Yoda
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:36 PM
May 2019

Talk not......DO!!

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George II

(67,782 posts)
16. Once again taking shots at the party HE chose as "his" in order to run for president:
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:37 PM
May 2019

"....for too many years the Democratic leadership ignored that pain and ignored the midwest and the flyover states."



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
76. Yes, that's been his strategy for some time:
Thu May 9, 2019, 09:46 PM
May 2019

run down Democrats and pretend he's got a better idea. This is just one more flavor. It's completely self-serving and just gives Biden or whoever get the nom more work to try to restore confidence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. .. and tomorrow he will get up and complain about NAFTA, Iraq, the ACA (indirectly)
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:39 PM
May 2019

and etc. Mark my words.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
21. Trying to change a trump cultists mind
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:45 PM
May 2019

isn't going to be that easy. I would take years to make progress, and Bernie is plain wrong to think he has the "gift" to convince them to drop trump!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
22. I suppose he's counting on getting back his bros that
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:48 PM
May 2019

voter for Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

revmclaren

(2,488 posts)
23. OMFG.....
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:49 PM
May 2019


Just



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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W_HAMILTON

(7,813 posts)
24. "The Democratic leadership ignored that pain and ignored the midwest and the flyover states" ???
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:50 PM
May 2019

Man, do I regret ever voting for this guy and giving him a platform to bash our party.

Just go away.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
26. Sounds like Bernie's running against the Democratic Party AND Trump
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:00 PM
May 2019

That Trump base is ginger peachy with Trump. He speaks their language of hate. I don't think Bernie is really going to phase them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CaptainTruth

(6,546 posts)
27. If you could explain facts to Trump supporters, there wouldn't be any Trump supporters.
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:02 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue Owl

(49,934 posts)
28. Go ahead, speak to them...
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:05 PM
May 2019

They'll still vote for their imaginary king...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dem4decades

(11,244 posts)
29. Isn't Trump's base Putin?
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:21 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
30. Sure, he's white, he's male
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:25 PM
May 2019

and he couldn’t care less about the United States Constitution. Makes sense to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dem4decades

(11,244 posts)
56. LOL
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:41 PM
May 2019

He's kind of old too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
31. I have some advice for Bernie...
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:37 PM
May 2019

… and this is sincere advice: You're going to lose more votes than you gain, with this kind of talk.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
32. If he can't win in New Hampshire where can he win?
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:38 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
40. From memory
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:59 PM
May 2019

It has more EC seats than Florida.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
61. I presume you're joking.
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:48 PM
May 2019

Vermont has 3 electoral seats. No state has fewer.

Florida has 29.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
63. Um yes
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:57 PM
May 2019

but 2016 taught us that Our Revolution HQ can perform miracles witb math. Vermont has 4 EC delegates and 29 Super EC delegates. Forget about Florida, just win over the Supers after the GE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
65. I thought you were, but you never know around here anymore.
Thu May 9, 2019, 08:02 PM
May 2019

Vermont only has three EC votes. They lost their fourth around 1930. New Hampshire still has four, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
66. 4 Votes for Nee Hampshire
Thu May 9, 2019, 08:08 PM
May 2019

a nightmare number. Bush/Gore, 2000

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
36. What part of Trump voters were motivated by cultural anxiety doesn't he understand?
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:54 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
39. The failure of the Democratic Leadership part.
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:58 PM
May 2019

He steps onto the stage so he can bash the Democratic Party. Come the revolution the base will do as it’s damn well told.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
51. OK
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:25 PM
May 2019

Sanders modus operandi last time round was to rail against the Democratic Establishment. This time he blames the failure of the Democratic leadership to look after the Midwest and heartland

OUR revolution and Justice Democrats are an insurgency that is more socialist thn Democratic. Theirs is not a policy dispute with the left wing of the Party, but a contest for power.

The last part is the punch line of an apocryphal story Walter Reuther used to tell against R.J Thomas, the previous president of the UAW. A critical meeting to unionise Ford was a fiasco. Thomas addressed the workforce, saying our revolution, will mean everyone will be driving a Lincoln. When a worker said he didn’t want s Lincoln, Thomas lost his temper: ‘Come the revolution comrade you will do as you’re damn well told’

The point of the story is when all else fails Socialists (Thomas was a Trokskyite) will revert to authoritarianism.

Hence why oblique joke about what could happen if Sanders failed to win over Trumps white male base.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
90. 'Come the revolution comrade you will do as you're damn well told'
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:33 AM
May 2019
The point of the story is when all else fails Socialists (Thomas was a Trokskyite) will revert to authoritarianism.


I'd never heard that story but it's very illuminating.
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
42. Oh yeah, and
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:06 PM
May 2019

It looks like you were right about the electorate passing over a young new hope in favor of stability.

History remains to be written & I go over the top sometimes.

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Undecided
 

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
44. I am of the opinion that only Joe can stop Joe.
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:08 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,134 posts)
38. Ironically, he still doesn't know that people voted for Trump because of identity politics.
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:57 PM
May 2019

Racial anxiety, not economic. Or maybe he does know. Whatever. Without the racist stuff the economic message doesn't work.

"In a 2016 survey, most Republicans agreed with this statement: 'People like me are asked to make too many sacrifices that benefit people of another race.' Research ... has shown that a sense of discrimination or competition with minority groups increases whites' solidarity with other whites and opposition to minority groups.Trump's campaign appealed directly to this very sense of economic and cultural threat. Trump support was strongly correlated with whether Republicans thought that whites are unable to find a job because employers are hiring minorities. By contrast, Trump support was only weakly correlated with whether respondents were worried about losing their own jobs. Consistent with a long line of research showing that group interests are more potent politically than self-interest, economic anxiety was channeled more through white identity politics than it was through Trump supporters' concern for their own personal well-being."

From "Identity Crisis, The 2016 Presidential Campaign and the Battle for the Meaning of America"

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(295,925 posts)
48. Or it doesn't fit into his
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:22 PM
May 2019

narrative so he studiously ignores it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
57. He knows that some of his supporters voted for trump. So he likely
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:41 PM
May 2019

believes that he will win Democrats plus those trump defectors.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
43. A few more posts like this
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:08 PM
May 2019

and I won't need to watch the comedy shows.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalFighter

(50,504 posts)
50. He can speak to Trump's base?
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:23 PM
May 2019

Trump's base is pretty much locked in. They are and always will be a lost cause. It is a waste of time to try and move them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
52. Trump's base won't vote for a socialist
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:25 PM
May 2019

What the hell?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

JI7

(89,182 posts)
54. who is going to represent the democratic base ?
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:39 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brush

(53,475 posts)
64. Deja vu all over again. This is not 2016. He tried that last cycle...
Thu May 9, 2019, 08:02 PM
May 2019

but forgot to get the Dem nomination. If he had that "pull the trump voters' strategy wouldn't have worked then and it won't work now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SunSeeker

(51,377 posts)
58. OFFS. They didn't vote for Trump because they were "hurting" and allegedly "ignored" by Democrats.
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:43 PM
May 2019

They voted for Trump because THEY ARE BIGOTS.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
59. Bernie, fuck Trump's base
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:44 PM
May 2019

Let's try and engage new voters. Not kiss the ass of a bunch of fascist boot lickers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
60. Good.
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:45 PM
May 2019

I think it will be Warren, but hey, the trouble here is that con man Trump is an amplified version of the GOP. He is never polite. He is an overt racist, the rest of the them are just as bad, they're just not as obvious as Trump. They have been taught greed is good, its FREEDUMB.


If anyone can open their voters eyes, good for them. I am not convinced that is possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
62. Bernie is in his own little bubble
Thu May 9, 2019, 07:52 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
67. Bye bye birdie.
Thu May 9, 2019, 08:11 PM
May 2019

He is never going to be our candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DoctorJoJo

(1,134 posts)
69. Great! Biden or Our Nominee Could Use Your Help for a Change!
Thu May 9, 2019, 08:24 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
74. How about a database?
Thu May 9, 2019, 09:22 PM
May 2019

Share and share alike?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
72. What's left of his base isn't enough to elect him, and anyone supporting him at this point
Thu May 9, 2019, 09:20 PM
May 2019

is extremely unlikely to ever vote for a Democratic candidate no matter what they say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
75. Bernie, the MAGA Whisperer
Thu May 9, 2019, 09:44 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
77. Another day, another gaffe n/t
Thu May 9, 2019, 09:49 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

revmclaren

(2,488 posts)
80. Did you draw the short straw
Thu May 9, 2019, 10:37 PM
May 2019

To come in and post that ...???



WOW...

Defending the undefenceable.

Don't bother replying, I ignore 'FANS' replies now.

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
81. Then he should concentrate on them and challenge Trump in the primary.
Fri May 10, 2019, 02:43 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
84. He might have better luck.
Fri May 10, 2019, 04:07 AM
May 2019

It's looking grim for Team B.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
83. Yeah tell Trumpers your plan to let prison inmates vote in local elections.
Fri May 10, 2019, 03:59 AM
May 2019

And get ready for the love parade.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(81,070 posts)
87. Pretty sure his speech will start with "You people are so gullible"
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:25 AM
May 2019


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
88. trump's base is too full of racist idiots
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:59 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
91. Bernie, We Love You, BUT I Don't Think Most Of Donnie's Base Is Reachable
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:41 AM
May 2019

The 2016 elections and the 2018 elections showed that there are still very dark, hateful, and powerful currents in our country’s political psyche. Most of Donnie’s base is going to turn out for him regardless of how much and how hard you and other Democratic and progressive good guys try to address jobs, health care, education for their children and grandchildren, safe and untainted food, and the need to fight for clean air and water. Most of Donnie’s base now feel that it’s OK to be ugly and cruel and are willing to let their dark sides overrule both their better natures and good common sense.

The best Democrats can do is to recruit new voters, turn out OUR base, and try to peel voters away from the coalition that put that horrible man in the White House.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(41,915 posts)
92. Sure. Convert them to Buddhism while you're at it.
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:49 AM
May 2019

This is a profound misunderstanding of what drives them. He can’t Berniesplain the fundamentalism and all the other isms out of them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,925 posts)
93. Yeah, you do that, BS.
Fri May 10, 2019, 03:30 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
94. Democrats simply won't stand a chance in 2020 if we can't energize African American voters.
Fri May 10, 2019, 05:20 PM
May 2019

bernie's plan will not work in the real world




A bad idea is running amok in the Democratic primary — the conversation on “electability.” Thanks to the disappointing 2016 presidential election results, electability for many strategists can now be interpreted simply as “the white male candidate who is best suited to defeat Trump.”

That’s precisely the wrong way of looking at things, and it’s based on the mistaken belief that the path to victory in 2020 only requires winning back Trump supporters. It misses the much larger issue at hand: Democrats simply won’t stand a chance in 2020 if we can’t energize African American voters.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
95. Absolutely Right. AA turnout fell in 2016.
Fri May 10, 2019, 05:24 PM
May 2019

Quite understandable given Obama wasn’t on the ticket m, but that cost the states PA and MI.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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