Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI don't understand why the two young B & B are going after Biden because he is "so nineties"
(or something like that).
He was Obama V.P. in the 21st Century and whatever we admire about Obama he was part of this administration.
You cannot go back to the end of the Obama administration and think that thats good enough, Beto announced Thursday on Morning Joe, taking an impassioned swipe at both Joe Bidens candidacy and Obamas legacy.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06/beto-orourke-attacks-joe-biden
South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, delivered a wide-ranging foreign policy and national security speech with a simple point: the United States would be hopelessly stuck in the past with either the president or the former vice president at the helm.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-trump-battle-trenches-buttigieg-attacks-higher-ground-n1016476
Oh, and speaking of the nineties
Not that the deficit is of any concern these days..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)Going back to the good old days is not a winning strategy
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Because he's the front runner right now, who would you expect them to go after??
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,173 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)Minorities, women and younger voters--the fire in the party--all have reasons to doubt Biden.
We face a challenging and perilous future; we can't afford to try to return to our past. It's inoperable.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)with women and black voters, so at least one of the minorities you might be referring to. Finally, the accusation that Biden wants to return to some far past is ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)have a meme and they're sticking to it.
Joe Biden Has Three Words for Democratic Candidates Who Took Swipes At Him in California
Whos going back to the past? Biden interrupted.
"Look, I understand. I dont blame them, Biden continued. Theyve got to, you know, theyre good folks but, you know, as I said, see you around.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=139584
Ha.. even BS is jumping on.. Good luck with that.. lol Isn't he going back to FDR in the '30s-'40s?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pazzyanne
(6,518 posts)My thoughts exactly. Right now I would settle for getting our nation "back" to where Obama brought it to after the Bush recession. I know we can fix the tRump damage, and then we will move forward, one step at a time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)The reason I would not settle is that there was a political and moral rot back then. I think many of us were not aware of how bad it really was, it was hidden beneath the surface, we were too complacent in Obama's competent hands, but it was there waiting and growing, like a cancer before you have any symptoms. Trump is the explosion of pain you get when the cancer gets big enough. It hurts, but now we know we were sick when we felt well.
When you have cancer, immediate treatment is required. Surgery and harsh drugs. Cancer can move fast, so we must move faster. Times of change move fast, they create their own urgency. Lincoln wanted to slowly end slavery, but instead he had Civil War before he even took office. Roosevelt had a national crisis, he moved immediately to start solving it. We are at such a time. Different kind of crisis, but a still a crisis.
That is what B and B are saying. You are saying you would settle for going back to the Obama years. They are saying that's like ignoring the real disease, and just taking pain killers instead. It's not an attack on Obama or Biden to say there were problems they could not solve. It's simply an important place where they disagree with Biden. You have to decide who is right. That's what elections are all about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pazzyanne
(6,518 posts)I don't believe that is what I said!
1. We need to fix all the damage that the tRump administration has done to our nation and world.
(back to Obama years)
2. Next step is to take this nation forward to the future and join the rest of the civilized world.
I do believe that moving to step 2 before step 1 is completed is missing some important restoration before tackling the rest of the Democratic platform.
As for the rest of your post, respectfully, you are talking to someone who has been involved in activism since 1969. I think I have a pretty good handle on what happened, where we are today, and where we need to go in the future. I may not be around to see step 2 come to fruition, but I would like to see step 1 completed which would restore the hard work I and others of my generation have done to get us to the Obama years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)brought it to after the Bush recession."
That is what I was responding to and that is what I would not settle for.
Thank you for your activism. I have my own experiences in life. Also, a good understanding of history. I think I have a good handle on where we came from and where we are today too. We are at a point today that is unlike anything in your lifetime or mine. You have to go farther back in time or to other countries to find good parallels. Things can get much worse than this very fast. Often, the outcomes are not good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pazzyanne
(6,518 posts)life with the Democratic platform. We both have a right to hold our views based on our life experiences. Your view is no better or worse than mine IMHO. Thank you for sharing your view.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)We have had many issues that have not been addressed for--in my view--at least 4 decades. Trump is the result, not the cause.
Getting back to 2015 is not enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)The past--any past--is too far; we have a new set of issues and perspectives and Biden doesn't appear to be keeping up. And how much of his popularity with "women and minorities" is based on nostalgia plus a lack of knowledge of other candidates?
Personally I think his support is soft. Supporters of his rivals collectively out-number his own, despite his likeability and universal name recognition. He "declared" at about 30% approval, climbed to 42% over the next two weeks, and has been dropping for the last 5, back to about 32%. Even here he is only polling at 14, which is below where he started. Each of the top 5 candidates is polling ahead of tRump so that isn't an issue. We'll see won't we? We haven't even had a single debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)And we're only just gettin started... congrats to your candidate!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)It's an easy, effective attack. I hope it doesn't work, considering Biden has a huge chance of becoming our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)I just watched a movies from the nineties on YouTube and saw the comment "I love old movies!" and now feel very old and stuck in the past.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)was President.. not a bad time warp!
But, no one running wants to go back to some time warp.. it's just a meme.. that even BS is jumping on.. but isn't he talking about the FDR years?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,151 posts)'Nuff said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(111,297 posts)He was in pretty good shape mentally and physically until he hit his upper seventies. However, the last eight or nine years of his life his decline became evident. Part of the blame was due to Parkinson's disease, but the traffic accident he had when he was 79 was the visible sign of his decline.
I've had my own physical decline over the last seven years. I've also noted my cognitive decline during that time even though I try to exercise my brain with various activities and for a 54 year old I'm in pretty good shape. Unfortunately, I don't multitask as well as I did previously.
I like Biden, but I believe that the job as president belongs to someone younger who has a more contemporary outlook.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)and see how intelligent she is at 86.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
As for the 'good ole days'? The Obama/Biden years only ended in 2016. The Trumpster's horror show may seem to have elongated time. But come on, we're not talking a half-century here; we're talking 2+ years ago.
We need to restore what we had before Trump and his wrecking crew got to work, shore up our institutions, obviously put into law what was previously expected as normal behavior, repair our relationships abroad, and then get on with problem solving for the future.
I don't see this line of attack from O'Rourke or Buttigieg as being terribly effective. They're better off talking about what they want to do, rather than throwing hollow accusations at Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)Whos going back to the past? Biden interrupted.
"Look, I understand. I dont blame them, Biden continued. Theyve got to, you know, theyre good folks but, you know, as I said, see you around.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=139584
And, 4now made this excellent point.. but it should include anyone who's lobbing the "..we don't to go back to the past.." meme.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=153251
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bernie Sanders lives and dreams in the past. What a stupid, hypocritical comment coming from the Senator from Vermont!
And yup, 4now deserves the
O'Rourke and Buttigieg need better campaign lines than this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
4now
(1,596 posts)then I might be able take his criticism a little more seriously.
Attacking Obama and Biden will not get any candidate my vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)He.answered.a.question.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Sometimes less is more.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,903 posts)just cherry picking what you think will bring down Biden.
Like 4now said..
If Beto had accomplished even a fraction of what Biden and Obama have then I might be able take his criticism a little more seriously.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)when they are building military islands in the South China Sea. Or the Hyde act flip flop, which leaves me NOT trusting him.
These are all very significant current issues where Beto disagrees with Biden and when asked what sets him apart from Biden he answered it. Those are all fair criticisms on POLICY and are in no way the attack that some insist it was.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Great resource, thanks Cha!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)resource for President Obama back when we were defending him from ugly attacks and misinformation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)People did not vote for his resume, they voted for a whole person, a person who had qualities that could not be captured on a resume. For me, Buttigieg has those qualities, despite his even thinner resume. I also like Warren, who burst on the scene as an unknown college professor, clashing with Biden, no less. She has huge accomplishments despite her short political career. She too is talking about the need for big changes, not business as once was usual.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tirebiter
(2,520 posts)He was awarded a Nobel at the beginning of his term. Match that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)And it was pretty well agreed he did not have much experience before becoming President. Neither did Abraham Lincoln.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Once in awhile he may not choose the best wording for what he means and clarifies, but he's always sincere. He is also not one to attack others. He has said what he has NOT to attack Biden or because of any perceived outcome it may have to do so. He just disagrees with Biden on some issues that are very important to him and doesn't think that Biden is the right person to deal with them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,903 posts)But we heard here that it wasn't. I, for one, didn't buy it.
Who actually said "it was good enough"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
No one said it was good enough. I wonder how some people are so sure of what others will do. Probably the same ones who told us for eight years that Obama was secretly a Republican.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)I appreciate the back up.
Beto said.. "President Obama was the greatest president of his lifetime.. ".. so something good must have been accomplished.. to Build on.. not to go back to!
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)What the next one will have to do, too. Republicans are the ones keeping us back. Not Democrats' fault!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)pointed out often every chance Dems get.. it is reality and it happens every damn time.
President Obama and VP Biden did that.. after bush-cheney. Do they get enough credit? I doubt it.
Instead.. it's .. "we don't want to go back there.. " well hey.. no one else does, either!
But, they had accomplishments to Build On for the Future if we are fortunate enough to get a Dem Prez in 2020!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They were asked to differentiate themselves from Biden, generally. That's their opinion.
When Biden points out his experience as opposed to novices or youth, will you then say Biden is "going after" or "attacking" them?
For the record, I agree with much of what they said. Biden's views and such hearken back to a better time in our memories. If he didn't have name recognition from days gone by, he wouldn't even be a candidate right now.
But it looks like he's going to be the candidate, so none of it matters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)
to the Obama era thinking is a giant step forward for America and mankind. Joe Biden will deliver whereas many others can't even get out of the blocks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden