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reggieandlee

(775 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:48 AM Nov 2019

BTRTN: Who Are We Supporting for the 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination?

A year out from the 2020 election, Tom and Steve of Born To Run The Numbers provide a "point/counterpoint" on who they each support as of now for the Democratic nomination, and a thorough rationale for each point of view:

http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2019/11/btrtn-who-are-we-supporting-for-2020.html

Excerpts from Steve: "If the Democrats nominate either Sanders or Warren, and they center their campaigns on eliminating private healthcare insurance, the Democrats are doing the one thing that could hand the election to Trump. Bear in mind: the Democratic strength on the issue of healthcare was at the epicenter of why the Dems were able to flip the House in the mid-terms. Elizabeth Warren could take the single greatest Democratic advantage and instantly turn it into their greatest single liability...So quietly and patiently Buttigieg, slipped into the airstream behind Biden’s centrist wake, and waited for the gaffe machine to explode. When it happened, Pete was the only candidate ready to pick up the centrist gauntlet. In February, 2020, Pete Buttigieg becomes the candidate that a short time before had only been known as 'anybody but Warren.'
Excerpts from Tom:" ...Here is the simple truth: Biden, based on the facts, is the surest bet to beat Donald Trump, plain and simple. Yhose facts may very well change by the time of the Democratic primary in New York, my home state, on April 28, 2020, and thus I reserve the right to change my mind. But the logic train leads to Biden emocrats have learned, in very painful ways, that presidential elections are won on the basis of swing state outcomes as they effect the electoral vote, and the popular vote means little (see: 2000, 2016). This is largely due to California, where the Democrats often roll up huge margins in this gigantic blue state, most of which don’t 'count.' Democrats are fond of saying that Hillary Clinton won by 3 million votes in 2016, but she won by 4 million votes in California, which means the other 49 states went for Trump by 1 million..."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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BTRTN: Who Are We Supporting for the 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination? (Original Post) reggieandlee Nov 2019 OP
Who? MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #1
I still don't see.. tgards79 Nov 2019 #3
Is that website your personal blog? lapucelle Nov 2019 #4
This site has posted different results...I sure didn't agree with the one below...so I think maybe Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #7
How is asking a neutral question in the interest of full disclosure "casting aspersions"? lapucelle Nov 2019 #8
It seemed kind of hostile to me...if I am wrong,please accept my sincere apologies. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #10
Unhappy face question? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #11
I have no probem with the blog. It looks interesting. N/T lapucelle Nov 2019 #13
Why is that? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #5
If we get a big Democratic Turnout We Win ritapria Nov 2019 #2
This is not a base election...and there plenty of moderates in the electorate...40 of them won Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #6
These swing states are called swing states for a reason. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #15
Opinions from two people I never heard of left-of-center2012 Nov 2019 #9
They have been posted here before...attacking the messenger? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #12
"attacking the messenger?" left-of-center2012 Nov 2019 #18
Alright then...have a nice day. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #19
When you're right....you're right...and I'm referring to the bloggers, just so I'm clear. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #16
Yes we riveted the American people around the ACA, they came out and shouted.. so now let's get rid UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #14
Two very well reasoned arguments peggysue2 Nov 2019 #17
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
1. Who?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:49 AM
Nov 2019

I still don’t get why that site is pimped here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tgards79

(1,415 posts)
3. I still don't see..
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:24 AM
Nov 2019

...why your candidate is still in the race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
4. Is that website your personal blog?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:54 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
7. This site has posted different results...I sure didn't agree with the one below...so I think maybe
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:15 PM
Nov 2019

you should not cast aspersions on the OP without a bit more research. It seems to me they call it as they see it...which is more than some other more famous pollsters do...



https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287313675

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
8. How is asking a neutral question in the interest of full disclosure "casting aspersions"?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:24 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
10. It seemed kind of hostile to me...if I am wrong,please accept my sincere apologies.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:04 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
11. Unhappy face question?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:07 PM
Nov 2019

I think it is not surprising that I viewed this as a negative comment...of course I could be wrong...only you are in a position to know what was meant and again sincere apologies if I misunderstood...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
13. I have no probem with the blog. It looks interesting. N/T
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:33 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
2. If we get a big Democratic Turnout We Win
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:08 AM
Nov 2019

If we don't we Lose ……..Politics in America is very stratified …….They are not very many moderates in the electorate anymore...……….Republicans vote for Republicans ….Democrats vote for Democrats ………. There are more of us than them …………..If we get off our butts and vote , we win by 5% - 6% and over 300 votes in the Electoral College …….

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
6. This is not a base election...and there plenty of moderates in the electorate...40 of them won
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:08 PM
Nov 2019

the House. This election will be won in Mi, WI and PA...and we need more than the base. I would also add that the Democratic Party at this moment is still largely moderate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
15. These swing states are called swing states for a reason. nt
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:44 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
9. Opinions from two people I never heard of
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:24 PM
Nov 2019

Googling shows it's just two guys with a Facebook page and only 121 followers.

They also have a website where they tell you their opinions.

Personally, I prefer reading opinions from established political experts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
12. They have been posted here before...attacking the messenger?
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:09 PM
Nov 2019

Here is one of the posts that I particularly disliked. Most everything here is based on someone's opinion.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287313675

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
18. "attacking the messenger?"
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:19 PM
Nov 2019

Nope.

Sayin' I don't give a rat's hind end about these two guys' opinion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
19. Alright then...have a nice day.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:37 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
16. When you're right....you're right...and I'm referring to the bloggers, just so I'm clear. nt
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:45 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
14. Yes we riveted the American people around the ACA, they came out and shouted.. so now let's get rid
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:43 PM
Nov 2019

of it!

UN FUCKING REAL.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
17. Two very well reasoned arguments
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:00 PM
Nov 2019

Definitely worth the read for everyone.

Thanks for the link!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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