Democratic Primaries
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Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)This is a quote from Bernie? Does he have a link? I have been in retail from sales to management for over 40 years and with many different companies. I have never heard of such a thing. One store I managed, we had a single mother. She called out from time to time when her daughter was sick. We made adjustments.
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Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Can you get fired for one no call no show?
yes. Many U.S. states now have "employment at will," meaning that a company can terminate you at any time, with or without cause.
EMERGENCY: Can I get fired for technically one "no call no show ...
https://www.reddit.com jobs comments emergency_can_i_get_fired_fo...
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)There are 100's of articles like this:
This man is recycling old picnic coolers into shelters for stray cats for winter! How very cool is this?!
bruh sometimes i just catch him chillin and vibing out and i think maybe i should record. thought you guys would appreciate a couple more clips of Badger, it's been a while
etc~
That is not a link. What is reddit all about? Reminds me of FB. Reddit is where Bernie's quote came from?
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Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Can your job fire you for a family emergency?
Unless the family emergency is covered under FMLA AND the employer knew or should have known that to be the case, then yes, you can be legally fired for missing work due to a family emergency; yes, it is legal for them to contest your unemployment (the employer does not have the power to either grant or deny benefits; ...Dec 18, 2012
Can You Be Fired for Missing Work Due to a Family Emergency ...
https://www.expertlaw.com forums showthread
Of course there are other emergencies in addition to medical whether it be transportation disruptions or major domestic/social upheavals.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #5)
sheshe2 This message was self-deleted by its author.
You are quoting in your post from some sort of statement from 2012 and linking to this article written in 2018:
5. Here try this one
Can your job fire you for a family emergency?
Unless the family emergency is covered under FMLA AND the employer knew or should have known that to be the case, then yes, you can be legally fired for missing work due to a family emergency; yes, it is legal for them to contest your unemployment (the employer does not have the power to either grant or deny benefits; ...Dec 18, 2012
Can You Be Fired for Missing Work Due to a Family Emergency ...
https://www.expertlaw.com forums showthread
and linking to this article written in 2018:
Human Factors in Accidents
This is about industrial accidents/ work accidents and has nothing to do with your OP where Bernie states in a tweet that:
Bernie Sanders
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@SenSanders
A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.
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Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)I asked you simply and directly for data to support to support BS statement that:
Bernie Sanders
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@SenSanders
A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.
I consider a tweet a quote. I am asking his source for the statement. I already stated my experiences, over 40 years in the field and never saw that happen once.
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Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)"Employment at will" does not allow a company to terminate employees without cause. Period!
Plus, any termination depends on the circumstances of the "no show". If one calls in prior to the shift, I doubt ANYONE gets fired. Despite the level of job, it's costly for employers to hire and train workers. Surely an employer won't dismiss someone for one no show, even if there wasn't a call in advance.
Are there any documented examples of this being a pervasive problem? That is, other than an isolated incident in a country of 330 million people?
Aside from the sensationalism, almost EVERY state has an EEOC that protects employees. CT has a CHRO (Commission on Human Rights and Opportunity, the OLDEST in the nation) that protects the rights of employees, even "at will" employees.
BTW, reddit is hardly a definitive source for legal interpretation or advice!
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melman
(7,681 posts)Uh, yes it does. That is exactly what it allows a company to do. Period.
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George II
(67,782 posts)But no it doesn't.
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melman
(7,681 posts)That is exactly what it does.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)Some people are very consistent in their worldview.
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George II
(67,782 posts)...what is your "worldview"?
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I must have missed where you shared your ''experience in these matters''
Perhaps you can show where you did that. Some cold hard facts maybe?
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,147 posts)That's exactly what it does -- unless you're a member of a protected class or terms of termination are addressed in a contract.
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kcr
(15,300 posts)From https://www.usa.gov/labor-laws:
Some states are "employment-at-will" states, which means that if there is no employment contract (or collective bargaining agreement), an employer can let an employee go for any reason, or no reason, with or without notice, as long as the discharge does not violate a law.
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Celerity
(42,666 posts)At-will employment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
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brooklynite
(93,873 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)(snip)
The Vermont independent's agenda would guarantee workers eventually take control, through the issuance of new stock, of 20% stakes in the country's largest companies, while mandating that employees elect 45% of corporate boards of directors. The Sanders plan would also impose strict new guidelines on mega-mergers, while asking a revamped Federal Trade Commission to review deals pushed through during the Trump administration.
(snip)
But it is the stock transfer plan that would likely have the most significant impact on the ways companies do business.
Those inside the parameters drawn up by Sanders would be required to issue new shares of stock, in increments of at least 2% per year, until the total employee ownership reaches 20%. The plan would create "Democratic Employee Ownership Funds," which would be controlled by a board of trustees directly elected by workers. Stock dividends would be paid out directly from those funds.
Sanders said "having employees directly vested in the company's success and playing a role in the decision-making process will lead to different outcomes. Outcomes that will benefit working people as opposed to stockholders driven by profit margins."
(snip)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/politics/bernie-sanders-worker-ownership-plan/index.html
There is much more on the link.
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George II
(67,782 posts)"...having employees directly vested in the company's success and playing a role in the decision-making process will lead to different outcomes" is simply not true.
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TexasTowelie
(111,313 posts)Trying to link proposals regarding the composition of corporate boards with at-will employment is a stretch.
The only thing that I see is that Bernie wants to impose more regulations against business. That isn't going to be a winner in a general election.
The requirement that companies issue new stock will also have a negative economic effect since it deceases the stock prices of the currently outstanding shares. Considering that there are mutual funds and pension funds that are invested in those stocks, it will affect the people that are depending upon that income in their retirements. While Bernie may have good intentions, his proposal appears to have potential negative outcomes.
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TexasTowelie
(111,313 posts)How would Bernie's proposal to issue new shares of stocks work when companies are forced into reverse stock splits in order to avoid being delisted by stock market exchanges. The purpose of reverse stock splits is to decrease the number of shares available while retaining the same market capitalization so the price per share remains above a certain price. Having mandated issuances of stock runs counters to those goals and may contribute to a company becoming delisted which influences their ability to raise capital, increases the interest rates they pay, and the ability of the company to stay in business.
It doesn't really help anyone to have more employees on company boards if the company fails and all of the workers are left unemployed.
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PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Bernie Sanders
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@SenSanders
A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.
Having been in retail management with the ability to hire and fire, BS is incorrect. Every company has to cover their butts. Document. Document. Document. Written warnings. 1.2.3. Signatures in front of witnesses to the documentation and interviews with the employee. No company would fire someone on the spot in fear of lawsuits.
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George II
(67,782 posts).....being dismissed for one no show is simply not true. But it makes for great fundraising tweets and emails.
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)There has to be history and documentation.
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Mopar151
(9,965 posts)Which is why employers pack "dirt files" into personell records, and rarely list skills or achievements.
Ready to be railroaded, at the whim of "management".
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progressoid
(49,827 posts)Except when they do.
https://www.aclu.org/other/legislative-briefing-kit-wrongful-discharge?redirect=legislative-briefing-kit-wrongful-discharge#8
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Much of this is about union workers. I was never in a union.
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questionseverything
(9,631 posts)ssssttttttrrrrrrreeeeetttttccccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lmao
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)I actually read the article.
However I as a non union worker was treated like s**t. My company, one of them I worked for refused the union.
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progressoid
(49,827 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)Do they seem like they have the time, resources or even knowledge of the law to undertake such an endeavor?
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)39. Do you know any minimum wage workers?
Do they seem like they have the time, resources or even knowledge of the law to undertake such an endeavor?
Or even the knowledge? I sure hope you are not saying that minimum wage workers are uneducated and without knowledge. They don't have to sue alone, they can do a class action.
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progressoid
(49,827 posts)That's how they are taken advantage of.
And no, they can't necessarily "do a class action."
From last year:
In a decision last month that will have widespread ramifications, the Supreme Court basically barred workers nationwide from launching class-action lawsuits against employers. In the ruling in the case, Epic Systems Corp. v. Lewis, five justices made it that much harder for workers to collectively seek justice in court against employers abuses at work.
For an individual worker, the ruling would channel a typical workplace grievanceeven one dealing with major questions of civil and labor rightsinto an individual mandatory-arbitration process, effectively controlled by the employer.
https://www.thenation.com/article/supreme-courts-war-class-action-lawsuits/
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)Newsflash. Times have changed since the 80's.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....close to zero.
This whole OP is based on virtually zero real life facts, mostly speculation. Would like to see some cold hard facts. Not holding my breath though.
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progressoid
(49,827 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...let's concentrate on that, okay?
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progressoid
(49,827 posts)You were looking for cold hard facts.
https://www.aclu.org/other/legislative-briefing-kit-wrongful-discharge?redirect=legislative-briefing-kit-wrongful-discharge#8
That's 100,000 people a year that are fired unjustly (of the ones reviewed). Just a guess, but I imagine some of those were for missing a shift.
Got some cold hard facts to dispute the ACLU?
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Autumn
(44,762 posts)I know a young woman who lost her job when the fucking road was closed because of snow.
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Why this has to be explained on a Democratic website is beyond me.
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Reading the very short tweet, he says they can be fired for missing a shift due to an emergency, which is legal and can happen, and does happen.
The tweet is about the CEO who oversaw the company through a huge loss and he left the company with a bonus and a multi million dollar package.
Let's concentrate on that part of it. Or are you OK with CEO's making millions for ruining companies while the employees get shafted?
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melman
(7,681 posts)Yeah, interesting how the people shitting on this skipped right over that part.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)Happens all the time.
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George II
(67,782 posts)...with the state's EEOC or equivalent.
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)Workers rights have been eroding.
Age discrimination.
Class-action arbitration
Shrinking the NLRB
ETC
I get that you don't like Bernie. But let's not pretend like everything is hunky dory for workers.
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George II
(67,782 posts)...with the state Equal Employment Opportunities Commission, it is simultaneously filed with the Federal EEOC.
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progressoid
(49,827 posts)Retail workers on a Federal level?
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Hmm
Not sure where anyone said that, see underlined/bolded text. My comments all started with a tweet from Bernie where the OP cannot give a source to the quote.
Bernie Sanders
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@SenSanders
A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.
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Backseat Driver
(4,339 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,147 posts)chain. But smaller restaurants and stores aren't going to follow those procedures, and can and do fire people on the spot for no-shows. Pretending it doesn't happen or is very rare doesn't help anyone.
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Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Employment at most workplaces is at-will. You can be fired for virtually any reason, at any time.
Your employer may have had rules on the books as a matter of internal policy.
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BigMin28
(1,150 posts)You can be fired or let go for no cause. I have a friend who is a manager at a medical supply manufacturer. If you are hourly they have a point system. If you are late, or miss work for any reason and accumulate 3 points in any 90 day period , you are fired. No matter what the reason. Even if you are ill, and can provide a doctor's note. This company makes medical supplies the need to be sterile.
These same rules do not apply to supervisors or managers.
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sheshe2
(83,355 posts)56. I know Texas is a right to work state.
You can be fired or let go for no cause. I have a friend who is a manager at a medical supply manufacturer. If you are hourly they have a point system. If you are late, or miss work for any reason and accumulate 3 points in any 90 day period , you are fired. No matter what the reason. Even if you are ill, and can provide a doctor's note. This company makes medical supplies the need to be sterile.
Documented. Documented. Three strikes and you are out in a 90 day period. All documented fair or not.
The OP quotes BS as saying:
No warnings. No documentation.
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,147 posts)"Right to work" is a state rule that means you can benefit from collective bargaining contracts without paying union dues. "At-will employment" is an understanding of federal employment law that means your employer can fire you for any reason other than being a member of a protected class, or unless you are covered by a contract, and it applies in all states, with very small exceptions in a couple of states.
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quickesst
(6,280 posts)In the world we live in, rarely, unless you're a sorry piece of crap boss, and I mean on the lowest end of crappiness. Not much of a boogeyman to make a point.
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Buzz cook
(2,470 posts)Paying into unemployment.
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Judi Lynn
(160,219 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EmInColorado
(31 posts)There is a really good article on this issue here
It goes on to list some exceptions but I feel this is a very valuable read informative read. If you get the time, please check it out.
"Whether you can be fired for no reason, when you did nothing wrong, depends on your employment status and specifically on whether you are an at-will employee. In most of the United States, employees are generally considered at will employees. At-will means that you or your employer can terminate your job on a moment's notice for any reason, whether good, bad, indifferent or for no reason at all. The law in most states presumes that an employee is at-will unless the employee can prove otherwise. This means that unless the termination violates federal or state law, company policies, or an implied contract, there is very little that an at-will employee can do to protest a termination without a reason.
For cause employment is just the opposite. In these cases, the employer cannot terminate the employee without cause, and to discharge the employee there must be a legitimate reason. For example, some companies have policies that require for-cause justifications for employee terminations. These policies are typically outlined in employee handbooks. Some employees may be protected from termination without just cause under the terms of a contract. Certain types of employees such as members of labor unions or government employees are protected as well. One state, Montana, prohibits at-will terminations if the employee successfully completes an initial probationary period of employment.
While the law in most states presumes that an employee has at will employment, there are several exceptions to the general rule that employees can be fired without cause. An at-will employee still has employment rights. If you believe you have been terminated unjustly, you should seek the advice of an employment lawyer to discuss the laws in your state."
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