Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumprimary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)That was the thinking.
Not sure it is now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
fallout87
(819 posts)is nothing more than their opinion, but stated as a fact.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mzmolly
(50,957 posts)in swing states. Though that may change if Biden doesnt forcefully address the Burisma BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sandensea
(21,529 posts)That's how the MSM is: the Chump children (and Jared) have made at least $82 million by way of influence peddling since Cheeto took office.
But to look at the news media (except MSNBC), you'd think Hunter Biden shook Ukraine down for billions.
Not that many voters are aware of the very lucrative influence peddling by Jarvanka, Junior Mint, and Short Bus.
But the Hunter Biden allegations have nearly 100% recognition by now. You can't overcome that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
points!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sandensea
(21,529 posts)Joe's a fighter, and he may still pull through.
What a challenge though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mzmolly
(50,957 posts)I agree its a challenge.
It tough to swallow, given Trump is seemingly accomplishing his goal as it relates. 🙁
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MarcA
(2,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Locrian
(4,522 posts)As for the gaffs and smears - Biden is his own enemy
The biggest issue is what does Biden actually do to energize people?
Even Obama ran on "hope and change" Biden? Not so much....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)It's all name recognition.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Locrian
(4,522 posts)I don't know why anyone thinks someone with two disastrous campaigns behind him is "THE" one to beat.
>>After finishing in fifth place in the Iowa Caucus on January 3, 2008, garnering only one percent of the total vote
>>Biden withdrew from the nomination race on September 23, 1987, saying his candidacy had been overrun by "the exaggerated shadow" of his past mistakes.[41] His formal campaign had lasted only three and a half months.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turbineguy
(37,208 posts)To change the perception.
So far it seems to be working.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)Because that has been the all out push by the republicans to smear and dirty VP Biden, because he has so much good will. If they succeed they will just turn around and do the same thing to the next person.. STAND STRONG FOR JOE!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(35,812 posts)This isn't just about the silly notion that any candidate's light shines brighter by putting out another's.
This is much worse.
THIS IS A SETUP FOR THE BIG REVEAL FABRICATED DOSSIER FROM RUDY!
Then we'll be all like
DO NOT believe the hype, Dems!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kimbutgar
(20,882 posts)But I fear this Hunter Biden bs story is going to tarnish him like the fake Beneghazi and emails thing that hurt Hillary. They are already using Joe Bidens adult son as the smear against Joe. It is being implanted into peoples brain and if Joe become the nominee they will turn up the brain washing techniques to smear Hunter and have that taint on Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I'll keep going back to the Bob Dole comparison of a guy who failed to get the nomination multiple times and then the party more or less said okay we'll go along with it this time.
No excitement. Benefit of a doubt to the incumbent.
Biden would have won in 2016. That is almost certainly true. Now we're trying to fix that mistake. It doesn't work that way. You need someone dynamic to defeat an incumbent. A bold choice.
Plus he has aged quite a bit in 4 years. Let's not deny that. I think many voters who remember Biden from the Obama administration would be shocked to see him now.
Biden would indeed be a great president. I always focus on getting there. We'd need Trump's approval lower than it figures to be in November for Biden to prevail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(35,812 posts)Trump believes Biden IS special enough to beat him.
Beyond Biden, IF45 is trying to pick The Biden,
then pick OFF every single one of the rest.
Then. Create doubt within the whole party of its ability to even campaign, ability to carry out primaries correctly -- its whole identity as a good governance party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cherryinpa
(301 posts)The MSM and Bernie bro's are thugs who like to kick someone when he's down and this pony thing has escalated way out of control.
Watch the video and I defy anyone to find malice. A silly comment? Yes, but not malicious.
Biden can still turn it around and remains my best bet, but he just made the hole he needs to dig his way out of a bit deeper today.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)Don't lie about Biden and don't lie about Sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)other than Joe. With Sanders, we probably will lose purple states as well...once again if Biden is not the nominee, we lose a winnable election because having a special whatever the hell that is candidate caused us to lose because said nominee was not able to win a general...Trump is dangerous. We could lose the house too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)... if Dem voters overwhelmingly shift support to another candidate because they're AFRAID the fake Hunter stuff will kneecap Joe, then the Republican machine will simply work to kneecap the next Dem favorite.
Just an observation. Not suggesting any particular solution, cuz I'm not sure what it would be.
There is no candidate so irreproachable that the Republicans wouldn't make shit up about them and start making it stick with certain targeted segments of voters. Or, more their MO: they will ask baseless questions to make certain targeted segments of voters THINK there must be shit where there really isn't any.
Republicans accuse everyone of "fake news" because they themselves are masters at it. Deflection and projection.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)circling around the pro-Democratic sites, one is "he's not going to be the nominee".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)I see a whole host of threads smearing Bernie, but would someone link some of the Biden smearing threads for me? I hear a lot about them, but I haven't seen any. I'm anxious to see what smears and things are being said about Biden.
I just don't think Biden is the best candidate because he doesn't think on his feet. If you give him a couple of weeks to process something, he usually has a good and appropriate come-back. And he's a very good person. I just haven't seen any smears, and I'm wondering where they are.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(44,756 posts)his actual words and his stand on the issues? Who prominent politicians support means nothing to me in terms of electability. But saying vote for someone else, or telling a young woman she's a lying dog face pony soldier and getting angry at questions that are asked does matter in terms of what I consider electability.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,756 posts)young woman at your own campaign event a lying dog face pony soldier is terrible optics. No smear there.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....that it said jokingly and she laughed along with everyone else. Perhaps we should move on or at least keep THAT smear in the threads where they originated?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,756 posts)see threads on it. Or scroll on by.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,756 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MarcA
(2,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(35,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)but have to question, isn't the whole "party elite/dem establishment" thing one of the things he is being criticized for? I guess that's what I've seen out there against him. this wouldn't sway those votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
totodeinhere
(13,036 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)I urge everyone to LISTEN to Biden's delivery, his rhetoric, the flow of his thoughts, the completeness of his expressions.
My assessment of Biden's appearances on the debate stage is that he's showing an abundance of eagerness that, IMO, is not helpful to those who are looking for one with whom to identify, one who is empathic. Another way of putting it is that Joe seems to be running on testosterone. Some like this approach. Some like a guy who tries to overwhelm and dismiss his opposition. For those who do, Biden's the right choice.
As a lifelong Democrat in my seventh decade, I also want to express my concern about ALL Democratic candidates who will reach their late 70s while in office. At risk of sounding bias against the aged, I think that the demands of the job requires a person at the peak of their intellectual powers, while having enough energy to go to work 15-16 hours a day, if necessary, then get up the next morning for more of the same. (That Trump doesn't do this is a strong symptom of why he's so profoundly incapable of performing the minimum required at the job. And why the "administrative state" is collapsing.) I think that Buttegieg and Klobuchar are at the extremes of the age bracket that fit for a high-functioning person in the most demanding job on earth.
That said, I'll STILL vote for any Democrat who is nominated. They're all head and shoulders above the monster in the White House. I enjoy listening to the debates because the Democratic candidates are ALL terrific people in their respective public capacities.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)It's getting really old.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,283 posts)The folks who want nothing to change. Im like that at my job, too. Most people are.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,909 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)I would guess that it could be said "than ALL the other candidates combined!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JGug1
(320 posts)"This is partly due to their recognition that Biden has the best chance to beat Trump. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-endorsements/democratic-primary/
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Irrespective of that, I am unconvinced that Biden has the best chance to beat Trump. Biden has every bit as much baggage as Hillary Clinton had. If he gets the nomination, he is going to be pounded. It is quite possible that a better choice would be Bloomberg, Perhaps, Bloomberg and Buttigieg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
former9thward
(31,802 posts)He had been a US Senator for a couple years -- during which time he was campaigning -- and a back bencher in the Illinois legislature before that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)small City...he brings nothing to the ticket...he won't deliver Indiana.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)Listen to his rhetoric, his phrasing, his emotional intensity, the rapid rate of speech, the broken sentences, the incomplete thoughts, and his utter eagerness to brag about everything he's done and not done. It appears from my listening that Joe is trying to overwhelm everyone with his grasp of everything presidential, as if it's Joe himself who is crafting the image of inevitability as his own selling point. But I'm not sure that he's convincing anyone else.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)And he's been leading the National Poll Average at 538 since he entered the race. So...
...I'm not impressed that you're not impressed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)The smears won't work. He has taken shots since day one and *derp* nothing has stuck.
In the age of 'pussy grabbing' porn star fucking Trump you'd have to be 'caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy' to register a blip on the outrage scale.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I mean, appeal to authority does not necessarily mean Biden can win or is the candidate that the voters who are adamant about preserving our democracy, (first and foremost) feel comfortable with or are assured of.
So, that kind of rhetoric does not move me or sway my opinion since it is merely pointing to approvals without providing the information as to why those party officials are supporting him, which is what matters more. I mean, their recognition is not, nor should it be, a convincer. We need more substance than that over and above prominence and maybe some refutations or clarifications about the negatives that Biden has exhibited, and there are several.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pertello
(55 posts)Someone shouldve told the voters in Iowa and tell the voters about to vote in NH!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Duppers
(28,094 posts)And Joe has the poc votes and that's HUGE.
I want tRump out more than anything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)Finished 4th in Iowa and looking at another 4th place finish in NH. A guy that cant beat a mayor from Indiana is the best to beat Trump? Naw Not buying it
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
capechacon
(91 posts)....there was never any way that Biden was going to make much of a dent in either Iowa or N.H. Both are lily-white states that barely resemble the real electorate.
Watch Biden come roaring back in So Carolina and California. He'll be labeled as another (so-called) "comeback kid" who never really had to make much of a comeback to end up leading the pack.
Best not to be fooled by the sequence of primaries. Beside....we need JoB- -- gotta' beat the Hitlerian sleaze in the White House.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)We were told Biden could bring white middle class voters that voted for Trump back to the Democrats. Lunch pal blue color workers. Well these voters are voting for Bernie and Pete.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Predominately white and rural states, totally out of step with the demographics of this country. One in an undemocratic caucus which excludes wide swaths of the voters. Don't take that blip too seriously. The road ahead thru super Tuesday aka mayor from Indiana will get beat by Joe Biden. A lot.
(States not polled excluded)
Nevada - Biden 23.3% Buttigieg 7.6%
S. Carolina - Biden 32.7% Buttigieg 5.6%
Alabama - Biden 36% Buttigieg 5%
California - Biden 20.1% Buttigieg 7.5%
Colorado - Biden 25% Buttigieg 5%
Maine - Biden 21.6% Buttigieg 11.1%
Massachusetts - Biden 19.2% Buttigieg 9.5%
Minnesota - Biden 14% Buttigieg 7%
North Carolina - Biden 29% Buttigieg 7.3%
Oklahoma - Biden 26% Buttigieg 6%
Tennessee - Biden 33% Buttigieg 6%
Texas - Biden 25.6% Buttigieg 7.3%
Utah - Biden 12% Buttigieg 5%
Virginia - 29% Buttigieg 9.5%
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)After Tuesday night
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Good luck!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)most likely ....Carolina for sure. Buttigieg would not beat Trump, now would Sanders...basically at this point Buttigieg is helping Trump win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)We should tell Biden those states dont matter he can pull his attack ad against Pete
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)white states...so tell us nothing about how a candidate can do with AA voters...Pete is between 0 and 3 %. Sanders is in the single digits.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,909 posts)out of the process.. it's like they "don't matter".
Iowa and NH are both small non Diverse states so it's not really a good sampling of the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demofan40
(45 posts)It's not the Ukraine thing. I think a lot of people are seeing through that BS.
It's the fact that Biden still thinks Mitch McConnell is going to see the error of his ways and start compromising when he takes office. It's that he thinks all the Republicans just "lost their way" when Trump got elected.
Nancy Pelosi said it best: "Democrats will never stop extending the hand of friendship to get the job done ForThePeople. We will work to find common ground where we can, but will stand our ground where we cannot".
For many Biden is not standing his ground enough. If Biden's message was more of a "We'll seek compromise to a point" there would be a lot more passion and dedication. For many he's still giving Republicans too much leeway and too many excuses for what they've all chosen to do.
He needs to stand up to McConnell and Graham the way he challenges the voters or reporters who question him. I think it would make a world of difference. They are the ones who are targeting his kid.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bullwinkle428
(20,626 posts)"The Irishman"...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7891971/Pelosi-quotes-Irishman-attacks-Trump-final-House-impeachment-speech.html
I would LOVE to see Joe find this gear, if you will, when it comes to dealing with the Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)Because talking about what he actually did isn't a smear.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,207 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)I seem to remember being here 4 years ago and being told exactly the same thing. Maybe its time people start to realize that what motivates party elites isnt necessarily what motivates normal everyday people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden