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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:30 PM Feb 2020

Robert Reich: Bloomberg Wants to Buy Our Democracy

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Robert Reich
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Robert B. Reich is Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley and Senior Fellow at the Blum Center for Developing Economies.

Bad enough that a tyrant is destroying American democracy. Now an oligarch is trying to buy the presidency.

Michael Bloomberg’s net worth is over $60 billion. The yearly return on $60 billion is at least $2 billion – which is what Bloomberg says he’ll pour into buying the highest office in the land.

I’m not saying that great wealth should disqualify you from becoming president. America has had some talented and capable presidents who were enormously wealthy – Franklin D. Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, for example.

The problem lies at the nexus of wealth and power, where those with great wealth use it to gain great power. This is how oligarchy destroys democracy.

So far, Bloomberg spent over $380 million on campaign advertising. That’s more than Hillary Clinton spent on advertising during her entire presidential run. It’s multiples of what all other Democratic candidates have spent, including billionaire Tom Steyer.

Encouraged by the murky outcome from the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primaries, Bloomberg has doubled his spending on TV commercials in every market where he is currently advertising and is expanding his campaign’s field staff to more than 2,000.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/robert-reich-bloomberg-wants-to-buy-our-democracy/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Robert Reich: Bloomberg Wants to Buy Our Democracy (Original Post) BeckyDem Feb 2020 OP
I like R Reich, but hasn't he noticed the giant 'For Sale' sign? MH1 Feb 2020 #1
That is rather cynical, no? BeckyDem Feb 2020 #3
Which part is "cynical"? The 'For Sale' sign? But that's reality. MH1 Feb 2020 #11
I don't see it that way at all. The primary season is here for a reason. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #12
+1 sandensea Feb 2020 #47
yep - pretty much Locrian Feb 2020 #2
I don't get it either. His track record is horrific. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #6
I think it's similar to trump's appeal Locrian Feb 2020 #24
Totally agree. +1 BeckyDem Feb 2020 #27
It flabbergasts the hell out of me. n/t customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #84
You would think we had no other candidates to pick from, it saddens me a great deal. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #100
+++++++++++++ not fooled Feb 2020 #108
Thank you! BeckyDem Feb 2020 #112
Exactly. n/t Kitchari Feb 2020 #115
I don't buy this argument--he's buying a campaign, like they all are, except he's BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #4
It doesn't cost 1 dime to not vote for Bloomberg. Buying the election? What about the blatant... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #5
Why in the world would I pick a candidate I know has a horrid record? BeckyDem Feb 2020 #10
Then don't. I'm happy w/ Bloomberg and you can be happy w/ who you want. SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #63
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #106
"...with some pretty decent ads." hangaleft Feb 2020 #39
Bloomberg is one of the better choices and I'm happy to vote for him. You can vote for your SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #65
That goes without saying hangaleft Feb 2020 #71
Bloomberg said he'd pour his billions into anti-Trump campaign ads Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #103
If Bloomberg is able to gain the attention of people who don't pay attention to politics, I commend napi21 Feb 2020 #73
Give the other candidates $50B to play with and they'll get their messages out, too hangaleft Feb 2020 #75
+1 Some do not see the difference. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #76
I didn't mean all should run 1,000 TV ads! I'm talking about the wording, the manner they're napi21 Feb 2020 #82
+1 mdelaguna Feb 2020 #89
I'm a bigger fan of Bloomberg than I am of Robert Reich. Zolorp Feb 2020 #7
Noted. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #8
what? Kurt V. Feb 2020 #13
I would... Newest Reality Feb 2020 #77
Reich can be a blowhard and he attacks other Democrats Zolorp Feb 2020 #79
Oh, thanks. Newest Reality Feb 2020 #81
...and return it to the rightful owners. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #9
On election day in November, I'm voting for Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #14
OK that made me laugh.. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #15
I agree that he's not the most desirable candidate... Kablooie Feb 2020 #16
The same guy who wanted to extend his ability to be mayor is going to respect the constitution? BeckyDem Feb 2020 #17
Have you looked at his past? jr1118x Feb 2020 #26
Crickets. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #99
He's not buying an election calguy Feb 2020 #18
Of course he is, there is no other way to describe it. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #19
Wrong calguy Feb 2020 #60
The money is buying him exposure, not a guarantee Zeus69 Feb 2020 #25
It should go pretty cheap CanonRay Feb 2020 #20
lol I needed a laugh. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #21
Gallows humor CanonRay Feb 2020 #102
yep BeckyDem Feb 2020 #109
We're not voting for a saint left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #22
You can keep that low bar, if you want to. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #23
I will left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #40
With a man with a horrific record. ok BeckyDem Feb 2020 #50
Bloomberg has a very strong record of leading the fight for sane gun laws.N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #104
You can keep that low bar, if you want to. LenaBaby61 Feb 2020 #44
The point is to keep Bloomberg from winning the nomination. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #51
Except for Pete and Bernie, the others aren't winning left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #67
The primary is not over. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #70
Tomorrow left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #72
Cynic who sings. Interesting. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #74
Bloomberg can beat Trump. LenaBaby61 Feb 2020 #120
We have candidates closer to sainthood than MB and can beat Trump, we're not that desperate uponit7771 Feb 2020 #122
Get rid of Trump first, then deal with ther next mess. dem4decades Feb 2020 #28
If it comes down to Bloomberg Progressive dog Feb 2020 #29
I don't want it to come down to him. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #31
Bloomberg is fit, IMO Progressive dog Feb 2020 #37
The most important item in the article "His paid staff is already three times as large as Trump's," Kaleva Feb 2020 #30
That's the most important item in the article? sigh BeckyDem Feb 2020 #32
While other candidates are raising money to fight each other, Bloomberg is a juggernaut after Trump Kaleva Feb 2020 #35
That will never change his horrific record. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #36
Check this out Kaleva Feb 2020 #38
I've seen it, no thanks. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #49
Pretty impressive record on gun control wouldn't you say? Kaleva Feb 2020 #53
I'm sure you are sincere, and yet you do not understand my concerns. His track record, his history BeckyDem Feb 2020 #59
Trump has proven himself to be a major threat to the nation and to the world. Kaleva Feb 2020 #66
No thank you. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #69
If we need a billionaire customerserviceguy Feb 2020 #85
He's also making an effort Bettie Feb 2020 #45
The personal limit one can donate to a candidate is $2800. Kaleva Feb 2020 #46
Bloomberg is not accepting any donations (this is what I heard when I was going to do so, ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #116
Yes, that's true. He's self financed. Kaleva Feb 2020 #117
Thank you, Bettie. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #61
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #33
For you, of course. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #34
What democracy??? Traildogbob Feb 2020 #41
Yes, and the orange asshole is stealing it. warmfeet Feb 2020 #42
Corporations & banksters have been buying our democracy for decades. nt yaesu Feb 2020 #43
Every campaign tries to buy the election. aeromanKC Feb 2020 #48
No they don't, they raise money. Who they raise it from is important, and Bloomberg is BeckyDem Feb 2020 #56
If he was merely a millionaire businessman and former NY mayor depending BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #64
Do you think it was fair for him to be able to skip Iowa? New Hampshire? BeckyDem Feb 2020 #83
Yes, it's absolutely fair. Many others before him ran unconventional BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #86
Unlimited money is not fair, not representative of the process the others had to go through. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #87
He did earn that money. He didn't inherit it. He didn't raise it through shady BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #88
Neither did Harris and Booker. They each worked at the attempt to win, not so with Bloomberg. Unfit. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #90
Paying media and digital staff is what they all do, if they have any competence whatsoever. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #91
wow BeckyDem Feb 2020 #92
Absolutely. And Bloomberg is free to spend HIS money the way he sees fit, he's donated to... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #118
I watched the "redlining" video to the end, and didn't find it all that objectionable-- BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #119
I'd rather have a self funding candidate than one who takes money from Super PACs and Corporations aeromanKC Feb 2020 #94
More attacks from the BS brigade. Bloomberg focuses on Trump, Amimnoch Feb 2020 #52
Yea he is totally awesome, right? BeckyDem Feb 2020 #54
Yes he is. Amimnoch Feb 2020 #55
Yea, stay solidly in denial. ok BeckyDem Feb 2020 #57
Will do. Amimnoch Feb 2020 #58
LOL another attack from the BS propaganda machine. No thanks. Amimnoch Feb 2020 #62
Charles Blow is a Russian backed propaganda machine? BeckyDem Feb 2020 #68
It is already bought.. . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #78
Come on now. We should be able to agree it is pretty awful, especially after Citizens United. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #80
He's been buying all his elections. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #93
I do not want to see him with the nomination. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #95
You and me both. As a lifelong Sem because of what I perceive as Dem. values - it Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #96
In solidarity for a healthy democracy. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #97
... Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #98
This is just the way it is randr Feb 2020 #101
When your opponent is throwing enormous sums of money at winning the election.. honest.abe Feb 2020 #105
Bloomberg is ultimately the loudest, most powerful "never-Trump Republican". bullwinkle428 Feb 2020 #107
What about the future consequences of 4 more years of Trump?? honest.abe Feb 2020 #110
No he isn't. Why not spend your time advancing Pete. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #111
It appears it's either going to be eliminated or bought CanonRay Feb 2020 #113
Charles M. Blow @CharlesMBlow If a billionaire is allowed to buy this election, we will BeckyDem Feb 2020 #114
Isn't Sanders trying to "buy" the election by promising to forgive all student loans? CalFione Feb 2020 #121
 

MH1

(17,573 posts)
1. I like R Reich, but hasn't he noticed the giant 'For Sale' sign?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:32 PM
Feb 2020

Somebody's going to buy.

In 2016 it was Trump.

In 2020 if it comes down to Trump or Bloomie, yes, we are better off with Bloomie.

If the Dems could get their act together and get behind a credible candidate who can win (note: won't happen with an avowed socialist), then we may not have to make that terrible choice.

Let's get it together, Dems!

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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
3. That is rather cynical, no?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:35 PM
Feb 2020

I find Bloomberg to be the wrong choice on numerous levels.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MH1

(17,573 posts)
11. Which part is "cynical"? The 'For Sale' sign? But that's reality.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:41 PM
Feb 2020

Ever since the death of campaign finance reform. (Which started bleeding to death well before Citizens United.)

And I know that Robert Reich KNOWS that.

I would like to see us nominate a candidate who can overcome the mega-marketing driven nature of today's campaigns. But I don't see an Obama this year (yet). I was hoping Warren would catch hold - she's sure made a positive impression on me. Maybe she will yet catch fire with the wider public.

The reality is also that Bloomie is less evil and far less dangerous than Trump. So yes, we should keep him in our back pocket. That part is not cynical, it's prudent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
12. I don't see it that way at all. The primary season is here for a reason.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:43 PM
Feb 2020

I refuse to accept his history at this time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sandensea

(21,600 posts)
47. +1
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:25 PM
Feb 2020

Unless and until we can enact comprehensive campaign finance reform - like most democracies, besides tropical money laundries, have - we might as well learn to fight fire with fire.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Locrian

(4,522 posts)
2. yep - pretty much
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:33 PM
Feb 2020

And it's amazing to see people lining up behind him to follow off the cliff.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
6. I don't get it either. His track record is horrific.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:37 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
24. I think it's similar to trump's appeal
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:07 PM
Feb 2020

People liked trump so they could "stick it to the libtards"
Bloomberg's appeal is similar: A (perceived / false) chance to "stick it to trump" but at, wow. What a price....

Selling your soul (democracy) is not a good deal.

Thing is - he'd lose. He has TONS of baggage and skeletons in the closet. He'd get slaughtered.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
27. Totally agree. +1
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:10 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
84. It flabbergasts the hell out of me. n/t
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:20 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
100. You would think we had no other candidates to pick from, it saddens me a great deal.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:18 AM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg is not who he says he is.

People, so THIS is the man you want me to vote for, a man who would vacillate on Trump’s racist birtherism while calling Trump his “friend” and a “New York icon”?! Not happening, EVER!!!


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
4. I don't buy this argument--he's buying a campaign, like they all are, except he's
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:36 PM
Feb 2020

doing it himself instead of hitting up other people. He can't buy democracy, he can't buy votes, he can't buy loyalty, unless people let him. You can put the dog food in front of the dogs, they'll either eat it or they won't, LOL.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SWBTATTReg

(22,065 posts)
5. It doesn't cost 1 dime to not vote for Bloomberg. Buying the election? What about the blatant...
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:36 PM
Feb 2020

interference by rump using Ukraine? What about the other illegal (and those still not yet known about) attempts to blindside the election with questionable doubts of candidates of good repute? rump is by far the worse, absolute worse tyrant ... Bloomberg's been exposed, his faults and no faults exposed for all to see, not hidden like rump has done pathetically w/ every part of his life, no tax returns (because of fake audit claims (which doesn't stop one from still providing the returns)), etc.

I don't think so. trump has already spent at least 300 mil (he has some money still left too), all of the candidates spent $100 mil or so in Iowa, that all that I know so far. It's expensive for anyone to run. We all know that. At least we don't have to spend any addl money in going after rump, Bloomberg is hitting rump everywhere, with some pretty decent ads.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
10. Why in the world would I pick a candidate I know has a horrid record?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:40 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SWBTATTReg

(22,065 posts)
63. Then don't. I'm happy w/ Bloomberg and you can be happy w/ who you want.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:53 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #63)

 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
39. "...with some pretty decent ads."
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020

I’m not at all surprised, just chagrined that our democracy can be bought with an onslaught of advertising geared toward people who don’t pay attention to politics or what the candidate running those ads has done in the past.

We have far better options than Bloomberg. It’s my fervent hope that we’ll go with one of those better options (and I don’t mean Bernie, whose policies I support but whose candidacy would be a disaster).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SWBTATTReg

(22,065 posts)
65. Bloomberg is one of the better choices and I'm happy to vote for him. You can vote for your
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:54 PM
Feb 2020

choice. Your right and my right to do so.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
71. That goes without saying
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:00 PM
Feb 2020

I just won’t give my vote during the primaries to an oligarch who supported a heinous, racist policy for *years* and was still defending it as recently as 2015. Gabbard would be the only candidate I’d rank lower than Bloomberg in my choice for the Democratic nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
103. Bloomberg said he'd pour his billions into anti-Trump campaign ads
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:42 AM
Feb 2020

whether he makes a splash in the primaries or not. He's a good ad man, but a poor (IMO) choice for the nomination. So I'd gladly accept his ads if it gets Trump out of office.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

napi21

(45,806 posts)
73. If Bloomberg is able to gain the attention of people who don't pay attention to politics, I commend
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:03 PM
Feb 2020

him for accomplishing something very few have been able to do, EVER! If the rest of the candidates are smart, they'll copy the message & tactics that are working for Bloomberg and include them in their own campaign. Then when they get the same attention, convince the voters who is the best to vote for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
75. Give the other candidates $50B to play with and they'll get their messages out, too
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:06 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
76. +1 Some do not see the difference.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:08 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

napi21

(45,806 posts)
82. I didn't mean all should run 1,000 TV ads! I'm talking about the wording, the manner they're
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:19 PM
Feb 2020

presented to the public. All the candidates are already running ads. Maybe TV, or the net, or radio, etc. The poster said Bloomberg was getting to the people who don't pay attention to politics. I think at least part of his presentation is what's getting through to the politically disinterested. If that's true, then copy that style!

!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
7. I'm a bigger fan of Bloomberg than I am of Robert Reich.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:38 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
77. I would...
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:09 PM
Feb 2020

I would ask why that is? It is hard for me to process due to my own biases, really.

I would appreciate knowing what brought you to that opinion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
79. Reich can be a blowhard and he attacks other Democrats
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:12 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg is all about going after Trump. He has yet to attack a single one of his primary opponents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
81. Oh, thanks.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:18 PM
Feb 2020

I can understand that.

I tend to appreciate Reich for his presentations of information mostly, (and he has a good grasp on that) and I have a real problem with inequality and oppose/distrust oligarchy, as I have mentioned in other posts in depth. Though I do appreciate the salvos at Trump, too.

Heheh. We are two sides of the coin, it seems.

Appreciate the info, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TheCowsCameHome

(40,167 posts)
9. ...and return it to the rightful owners.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:39 PM
Feb 2020

Yup.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
14. On election day in November, I'm voting for
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:44 PM
Feb 2020

the candidate who doesn't begin every day by spray painting himself orange. It's that simple. It's not a decision that requires a great deal of intellect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
15. OK that made me laugh..
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:48 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kablooie

(18,610 posts)
16. I agree that he's not the most desirable candidate...
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:51 PM
Feb 2020

but I expect him to at least be a president that respects the Constitution and the rule of law.

The only thing important in this election is to defeat Trump.
Nothing else matters for if Trump isn't defeated all other policies and proposals may never see the light of day.

In a normal election I would be disgusted with Bloomberg buying his place but right now it seems like he may be the best shot we have at retaining the country we hold dear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
17. The same guy who wanted to extend his ability to be mayor is going to respect the constitution?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:53 PM
Feb 2020

He is not Trump but his history is horrific. We can do much better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jr1118x

(97 posts)
26. Have you looked at his past?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:09 PM
Feb 2020

What in his history makes you think he will respect the law. Did he respect Term limits? Did he respect the law when they made minimum wage on companies with govt contracts $10 an hour. He veto'd it, his veto was overridden then he sued the city lost his law suit and then on the way out sues them again. He seems like the rules dont apply to me type of person.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

calguy

(5,292 posts)
18. He's not buying an election
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:57 PM
Feb 2020

If anything he's paying to get rid of trump. Whoever runs, it's going to take a whole shitload of cash to do it. By the time our candidate gets out of the convention, he (she) is going to be broke compared to the mountain of cash the R's are going start out with. It's not a pretty situation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
19. Of course he is, there is no other way to describe it.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:59 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

calguy

(5,292 posts)
60. Wrong
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:47 PM
Feb 2020

He's buying attention. He'll have to earn the votes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Zeus69

(391 posts)
25. The money is buying him exposure, not a guarantee
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:08 PM
Feb 2020

Steyer spent more than all the candidates combined in NH and look how that worked out...

Bloomberg’s not forcing anyone to vote for him. In time, the issues and platform posters here think are disqualifying, will be vetted. If he’s last man standing, then that’s what we got.

The RNC has about 300 million in the bank and there will be at least 1 billion more dollars in dark money filtering its way to pursue Republican interests in November.

I know Mike has committed to support the Democratic nominee if it isn’t him. Maybe I’m paranoid, but I still have some pause how that will shake out if the nominee is Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CanonRay

(14,084 posts)
20. It should go pretty cheap
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:02 PM
Feb 2020

There's not much left

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
21. lol I needed a laugh.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:04 PM
Feb 2020

Thank you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
22. We're not voting for a saint
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:05 PM
Feb 2020

We're voting for someone who can defeat Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
23. You can keep that low bar, if you want to.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:06 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
40. I will
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020

Defeating Trump is MY goal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
50. With a man with a horrific record. ok
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:28 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
104. Bloomberg has a very strong record of leading the fight for sane gun laws.N/T
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:50 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
44. You can keep that low bar, if you want to.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:01 PM
Feb 2020

I agree with you about not liking how low tRump and his party of putin have lowered the bar of politics et al. It takes a lot out of you trying to have a conversation with someone who doesn't understand or know that this country could be on it's last legs if tRump gets a whole 8 year term to finish us/our democracy off.

However, we're at a point in our democracy where if we get treasonous fat ass in the oval office for a whole 8 year term, this country won't exist as we knew it. There won't even be a low bar left. Just party of putin swill, lies, treason and lawlessness--and 'them' getting away with everything--and Dems/others having to accept/take it. The former GOP, now the party of putin, will be installed permanently. Who'll stop tRump/them from doing that? Susan "He's going to be a good boy now" Collins? You see what he and his fat, pardon-loving, lawless slug Barr have done today in further destroying the WHOLE apparatus of 'justice' in America. tRump/Barr are breaking the laws of our country in plain sight by weaponizing the DOJ. He & Barr are emboldened as all hell. Nothing from the party of putin on all of this lawlessness though. There won't be any Dem party if he/his party of putin get their way, and that's to have a one party rule of putin forever.

Who in hell wants tRump then him possibly appointing his rotten-ass, law-breaking, grifting kids in succession to the presidency, or should I say tRumputin Monarchy? Again, I'm not fond of nor would I vote for Bloomberg as POTUS if I had other better choices (Scary thing is that I don't think he wouldn't destroy every norm socially/politically of this county like tRump's doing). But if he somehow is the nominee, he'd have my lesser of two evils vote. I also appreciate the fact that he's not attacking any Dems and that he is spending HUGE monies to attack and take tRump and the party of putin, because we know that the new party of putin will be spending BILLIONSin Citizen's United/Dark monies to defeat Dems using their lies/smears/lawlessness/gerrymandering/flat out cheating this fall all across this country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
51. The point is to keep Bloomberg from winning the nomination.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:30 PM
Feb 2020

Any of the others would not govern as he would.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
67. Except for Pete and Bernie, the others aren't winning
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:54 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg can beat Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
70. The primary is not over.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:56 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
72. Tomorrow
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:02 PM
Feb 2020

The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
'Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I love ya Tomorrow!
You're always
A day
A way

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
74. Cynic who sings. Interesting.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:04 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
120. Bloomberg can beat Trump.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 05:43 PM
Feb 2020

I hate to admit it, but I believe this 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻, because Bloomberg WILL fight back with that fool all day LONG if he has to because of his much deeper pockets and what could be one hell of a ground game.

I have many friends, ex-military of all stripes and colors, who tell me that they'd vote for Bloomberg in a heart beat if he gets the Dem nomination if it means keeping tRump out of the White House. I ask them about Bloomberg and all of his very noticeable warts, and they tell me in no certain terms that if tRump steals another election, this country is DONE. One friend is a friend of Malcolm Nance, so I know he's not talking out of his rear end, because Malcolm Nance has talked for several years about what tRump has been doing, and he's not been off on his facts much. He's been pretty damn accurate unfortunately.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
122. We have candidates closer to sainthood than MB and can beat Trump, we're not that desperate
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 05:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dem4decades

(11,269 posts)
28. Get rid of Trump first, then deal with ther next mess.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:15 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
29. If it comes down to Bloomberg
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:20 PM
Feb 2020

vs Trump, it's an easy choice.
The Bloomberg ads I've seen are all anti-Trump, pro-Bloomberg which is a good thing. He's also pledged to continue his spending to defeat Trump even if he is not the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
31. I don't want it to come down to him.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:28 PM
Feb 2020

That is why I am posting about him during the primary, he is unfit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
37. Bloomberg is fit, IMO
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:39 PM
Feb 2020

He's not among my top three picks, but he is more acceptable to me than some.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
30. The most important item in the article "His paid staff is already three times as large as Trump's,"
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:28 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
32. That's the most important item in the article? sigh
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:28 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
35. While other candidates are raising money to fight each other, Bloomberg is a juggernaut after Trump
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:36 PM
Feb 2020

In another part of the article, it says that Bloomberg has already spent more on advertising then Hillary did in her entire campaign.

"So far, Bloomberg spent over $380 million on campaign advertising. That’s more than Hillary Clinton spent on advertising during her entire presidential run. It’s multiples of what all other Democratic candidates have spent, including billionaire Tom Steyer."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/robert-reich-bloomberg-wants-to-buy-our-democracy/

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Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
36. That will never change his horrific record.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:37 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
38. Check this out
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:40 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287518483

You may also want to research what's Bloomberg is doing regarding climate change.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
49. I've seen it, no thanks.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:27 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
53. Pretty impressive record on gun control wouldn't you say?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:34 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
59. I'm sure you are sincere, and yet you do not understand my concerns. His track record, his history
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:44 PM
Feb 2020

is indefensible to me. We can and must do better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
66. Trump has proven himself to be a major threat to the nation and to the world.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:54 PM
Feb 2020

Trump's record is horrific and we see that every day. Defeating him is priority number 1 with many of us. Of al lthe candidate, I believe Bloomberg has the finances, smarts and skill to bring Trump down.

Bloomberg has a staff that's 3 times larger then Trumps. Bloomberg can outspend Trump every day of the year without having to spend one minute fund raising. Bloomberg is donating millions to down ticket Democrats. Being self financed, Bloomberg will not be a drain on the parties funds. That money will be free to spend on down ticket races, increasing the chances of adding to our hold on the House and maybe even taking the Senate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
85. If we need a billionaire
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:24 PM
Feb 2020

Tom Steyer's already done a lot on climate change. All without screwing over black people in the process.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bettie

(16,072 posts)
45. He's also making an effort
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:13 PM
Feb 2020

to keep large donors from donating to other candidates. He doesn't want their money, he just wants to clear the field by making it dry up for others.

Trading one authoritarian oligarch for another is positive in that Bloomberg appears to be sane and hates minorities less, but that's a pretty low bar and it is sad that it appears to be the way many would like to go.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
46. The personal limit one can donate to a candidate is $2800.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:20 PM
Feb 2020

How is Bloomberg keeping these "large" donors from contributing?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SWBTATTReg

(22,065 posts)
116. Bloomberg is not accepting any donations (this is what I heard when I was going to do so, ...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:48 PM
Feb 2020

the other day)...just FYI.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
117. Yes, that's true. He's self financed.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:00 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
61. Thank you, Bettie.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:48 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
33. Kicked and recommended.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:33 PM
Feb 2020

Thanks for the thread BeckyDem.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
34. For you, of course.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:34 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Traildogbob

(8,674 posts)
41. What democracy???
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:52 PM
Feb 2020

There is a discontinued sale, I am thinking. He is a Wall Street gambler, buy it at its lowest value. Right now it seems America places no value on democracy, 100 million did not even vote. The real money maker is Fascism. Guess we deserve what we get. MAGA

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
42. Yes, and the orange asshole is stealing it.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:57 PM
Feb 2020

We just might have to make a stand to protect our Democracy and our very lives.

I really dislike boots stamping on my face - forever.

I can't wait to see what our response might be.

Interesting times we live in.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
43. Corporations & banksters have been buying our democracy for decades. nt
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:57 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
48. Every campaign tries to buy the election.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:26 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
56. No they don't, they raise money. Who they raise it from is important, and Bloomberg is
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:42 PM
Feb 2020

buying himself a stage he has not earned.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
64. If he was merely a millionaire businessman and former NY mayor depending
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:53 PM
Feb 2020

on donations, would he be more entitled to run? Why has he not "earned" his stage?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
83. Do you think it was fair for him to be able to skip Iowa? New Hampshire?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:19 PM
Feb 2020

The others spent a lot of money and their time, but he just bankrolls it and pays people to get around it.

I am stunned by the fact Booker and Kamala Harris are out but this guy keeps rolling in due to his money.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
86. Yes, it's absolutely fair. Many others before him ran unconventional
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:29 PM
Feb 2020

campaigns, usually it doesn't work and it's risky. He missed out on the first four contests, that's a pretty severe penalty for getting in late. Kamala and Booker had a longer time to introduce themselves and figure out a campaign (and for Kamala, lots of initial favorable press attention) and it didn't work for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
87. Unlimited money is not fair, not representative of the process the others had to go through.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:31 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
88. He did earn that money. He didn't inherit it. He didn't raise it through shady
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:36 PM
Feb 2020

donors or foreign interests or illegal means. Being able to bypass the donor circus doesn't mean he's inherently evil.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
90. Neither did Harris and Booker. They each worked at the attempt to win, not so with Bloomberg. Unfit.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:41 PM
Feb 2020

Here’s How Much You Can Make if You Sell Out for Bloomberg

Have a few thousand social media followers? You can score $150. Willing to join his campaign? You can make a LOT more.
by Harry Cheadle
Feb 14 2020, 11:27am

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pkeze7/heres-how-much-you-can-make-if-you-sell-out-for-bloomberg

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
91. Paying media and digital staff is what they all do, if they have any competence whatsoever.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:49 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg, whether anyone likes him or not, is working at winning the nomination too. I don't see his campaign in a different light than anyone else's, except that he gets to bypass the money chase, which is an option he earned for himself. If he won't participate in debates, then I will think he is trying to bypass any kind of campaigning beyond advertising, and that would probably doom his campaign. But until then he's still a legitimate candidate, with the right to do exactly what he's doing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SWBTATTReg

(22,065 posts)
118. Absolutely. And Bloomberg is free to spend HIS money the way he sees fit, he's donated to...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:21 PM
Feb 2020

many other worthy candidates in the past to help them get elected, he's spearheaded efforts for gun laws, he absolutely has every right to skip any primaries or caucuses he wants to skip, and one persistent thing that he is getting blamed wrongly for, is seemingly creating the practice of redlining and thus causing the 2008 market collapse. Utter nonsense. Bloomberg was no where around this disaster caused by the lack of republican oversight.

Redlining was done by Banks and the Insurance Industry. No one else. In their eagerness to generate even more income, these characters faked up the grading of a list of properties/real estate (made grades very good instead of terrible) that mortgaged backed securities were comprised of.

When a couple of companies went south (Lehman Brothers to start), the whole mess started to collapse and tens of thousands of properties, that backed $billions and $billions of dollars of mortgage backed securities were found to be worthless (when margin calls were made, the assets discovered were worthless in effect).

The faked ratings extended to the mortgage backed securities (to get a better price) dragged the whole market down. IMHO, not all of the bad players in these events have been caught and/or punished. They still have a lot of work to get these people who pushed for fake, positive grades for these mortgage backed securities.

With candidates running out of money and dropping out of the campaign? This tells me about their management skills, a little. Why run to begin with if you didn't have the money? It's not like rocket science to know that running for president in this country is expensive. Insanely expensive. Bloomberg has obviously proven that he's got the money (w/ all of the ads, the campaign staff, the accepting of no donations, etc.), rump in reality has proven NOTHING. All we get is a constant run around about his health, his finances, his businesses, everything. Constantly. To me, this tells me of someone who wants to hide the truth and tells me that in fact, he doesn't have any money that he's been claiming. So his so called vaunted skillset isn't so skilled after all, isn't it?

Bloomberg is an exposed, and known personality. There are some who no matter what, won't support Bloomberg no matter what the list of positives are provided (for Bloomberg). That's fine, but don't mock me or others for our choices. We all, as Americans, have every right to chose anyone we want for president and vote.




If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
119. I watched the "redlining" video to the end, and didn't find it all that objectionable--
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:35 PM
Feb 2020

and in fact was impressed by his grasp of what was going on back then. He's just always a business/finance guy, or a mayor (as with stop and frisk), I don't think he viewed things through other than those two lenses--didn't see civil liberty problems or discrimination, just saw law-and-order or bad loans. Hopefully he's sincerely changed, but I can see why Democratic voters may not want to give him the benefit of the doubt. That's fair enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
94. I'd rather have a self funding candidate than one who takes money from Super PACs and Corporations
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:53 PM
Feb 2020

Especially one who has 12 years of executive experience and who has been re-elected twice from a diverse electorate.

There are multiple ways to raise funds for a campaign. At least we know where Bloomberg's comes from. I'm pretty sure some candidates are getting a lot of donations from MAGAt's because they want that candidate to win the Dem primary. Not so much with Bloomberg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
52. More attacks from the BS brigade. Bloomberg focuses on Trump,
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:31 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie and his brigade focus attacks on the Democratic Party candidates running.

This is why I support Bloomberg.

this is why I support ANY Democratic Party Candidate BUT Bernie 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
54. Yea he is totally awesome, right?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:39 PM
Feb 2020




Michael Bloomberg addresses his prior support for city's handling of Central Park Five case

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-bloomberg-addresses-his-prior-support-for-handling-of-central-park-five-case-2019-12-30/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bloomberg-once-blamed-end-of-redlining-for-2008-economic-collapse

Why Is Bloomberg's Long History of Egregious Sexism Getting a Pass?


The surging Democratic presidential candidate and Bloomberg LP have fielded nearly 40 sexual harassment and discrimination lawsuits over decades.

By Laura Bassett
February 13, 2020
Mike Bloomberg with antiwoman sign collaged on top of his image

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Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
55. Yes he is.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:41 PM
Feb 2020

Ain't biting any of this bullshit internal attacks against our candidates.

ANY Democratic Party candidate BUT BS 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
57. Yea, stay solidly in denial. ok
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:42 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
62. LOL another attack from the BS propaganda machine. No thanks.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:50 PM
Feb 2020

Not giving ANY credibility to any of this bullshit being drudged up from the Russian backed Bernie propaganda machine that has been getting used to attack Biden, O'Rourke, Harris, and even his longtime agenda ally Elizabeth warren.

I support the candidate that's going directly for Trump. Not using his campaign money, campaign staff, and supporter surrogates to attack fellows in the Democratic party while only paying an occasional minor jab at Trump himself.

No thanks, and I don't give a shit whatever his propaganda machine comes up with.

Bloomberg 2020.. the one that knows he's running against Trump and not the Democratic Party.

OR

ANY of our Democratic Party candidates BUT BS 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
68. Charles Blow is a Russian backed propaganda machine?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
78. It is already bought.. . .
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:11 PM
Feb 2020

That happened years ago.

At this point in time, how can "we" who believes in freedom, take it back.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
80. Come on now. We should be able to agree it is pretty awful, especially after Citizens United.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:14 PM
Feb 2020

But we do not have to support what Bloomberg is doing. How we take it back, one amendment at a time, and more replacements of Republicans, we crush them politically. I believe we can do this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
93. He's been buying all his elections.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:15 PM
Feb 2020

2001 he ran as a R and had Guiliani’s endorsement. $73 million of his own money spent.

2005 still an R but this time he spent $78 million of his own money.

2009 he said he needed to extend term limits because of the financial crisis. That election was riddled with controversy. He spent over $100 million on that one. Read here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg

From The Atlantic in 2009

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/11/how-bloomberg-got-away-with-buying-new-york/347685/


Mayor
Michael Bloomberg of New York City has spent over $100 million on his reelection campaign against Democrat Bill Thompson. No candidate has ever spent more of his private fortune on a single political campaign. (This does not make it the most expensive campaign--President Barack Obama raised, and presumably spent, $150 million in a single month of his 2008 campaign.) Bloomberg, an independent candidate, has spent $245 million of his $16 billion fortune on this and his previous two mayoral campaigns. He has also come under fire for using political leverage to circumvent term limits that would have precluded the third term he is now all but guaranteed.


If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
95. I do not want to see him with the nomination.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:31 AM
Feb 2020

He is not who he says he is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
96. You and me both. As a lifelong Sem because of what I perceive as Dem. values - it
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:38 AM
Feb 2020

sickens me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
97. In solidarity for a healthy democracy.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:43 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

randr

(12,409 posts)
101. This is just the way it is
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:30 AM
Feb 2020

No one gains any office, anywhere, without paying for it. We have long noted that the winning candidate is usually who spends the most. Citizens United put the nail in election reforms coffin and we are living in that world, we need to get used to it.
Our best chance is to have someone run with the dough to beat Trump and I think we have one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,614 posts)
105. When your opponent is throwing enormous sums of money at winning the election..
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:53 AM
Feb 2020

why reject someone on our side who can counter that??

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bullwinkle428

(20,628 posts)
107. Bloomberg is ultimately the loudest, most powerful "never-Trump Republican".
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:00 AM
Feb 2020

If it comes to me having to cast that vote for him to defeat Chump, I will do so, but from that point onward, will be dreading any future consequences that will come about as the result of that vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,614 posts)
110. What about the future consequences of 4 more years of Trump??
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:03 AM
Feb 2020

I dread that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
111. No he isn't. Why not spend your time advancing Pete.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:05 AM
Feb 2020

Its a primary race right now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CanonRay

(14,084 posts)
113. It appears it's either going to be eliminated or bought
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:07 AM
Feb 2020

I prefer bought. I guess. If I have to pick one. Ugh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
114. Charles M. Blow @CharlesMBlow If a billionaire is allowed to buy this election, we will
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:23 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CalFione

(571 posts)
121. Isn't Sanders trying to "buy" the election by promising to forgive all student loans?
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 05:44 PM
Feb 2020

That's an offer of tens of thousands of dollars to lots of people. That's as much "buying an election" as anything Bloomberg is doing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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