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FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:10 PM Feb 2020

Bernie lost to Hillary in 2016...

Bernie couldn't beat Hillary in the Democratic Primaries...and technically, tRump beat Hillary in the General Election...Sooooo..We need to realize.. Bernie couldn't and can't beat tRump...

It is logical.... I'm just applying a Triage thought methodology to finding our Democratic Candidate.....

Biden would of been our 2016 Candidate... if he chose to run in 2016....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie lost to Hillary in 2016... (Original Post) FarPoint Feb 2020 OP
That's not remotely logical. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #1
Correct, the logic is very flawed. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #21
I think the logic is that somehow non-Democrats and "the youth" would have swarmed to the Squinch Feb 2020 #2
I'm just thinking out loud so to speak... FarPoint Feb 2020 #4
I was holding Bloomberg as my fallback position, hoping we would see some groundswell Squinch Feb 2020 #6
I do have a strong pulse for Bloomberg... FarPoint Feb 2020 #10
Ohhh, yea.. FarPoint Feb 2020 #18
I think you're right. I have till late April, so I am hoping there is a clear answer by then. Squinch Feb 2020 #19
The race horse Cigar won 16 consecutive races against top class horses..... 16 fucking races ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #3
The issue was turnout. As the Atlantic reported a lot of Obama voters who were young and liked Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #5
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #7
Hillary won fair and square. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #9
When all said and done... FarPoint Feb 2020 #11
The party evertonfc Feb 2020 #8
Clinton 2016 states plus Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan and the Southeast can go hang (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #13
We don't need the Southeast. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #15
Bernie is leading in the polls and in the popular vote. Joe Biden ran in CentralMass Feb 2020 #12
Bernie will not win Florida. hamsterjill Feb 2020 #14
If he can win every state Clinton won in 2016... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #16
That is probably accurate however he will probably win CA. CentralMass Feb 2020 #17
Sanders was doing a lot better in the polls against Trump than Hillary for one thing Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #22
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
1. That's not remotely logical.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:12 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

thesquanderer

(11,953 posts)
21. Correct, the logic is very flawed.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:03 PM
Feb 2020

Conceptually, he's saying something like A beat B, and C beat A, therefore C beats A... but what this ignores is that the voting pools are completely different (as is the actual electoral mechanism).

It is entirely logically possible that Sanders beats Clinton among Dems, but that Sanders beats Trump when in the larger voting pool of a general election, even if Trump beats Clinton.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
2. I think the logic is that somehow non-Democrats and "the youth" would have swarmed to the
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:12 PM
Feb 2020

polls if he had won the primary. Even though there is nothing - really NOTHING - to indicate that would happen.

I don't get it, but to each their own.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
4. I'm just thinking out loud so to speak...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:16 PM
Feb 2020

I am glad I don't have to vote until March 17....I still don't have any passionate or firm decision regarding who to vote for....This is very unusual for me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
6. I was holding Bloomberg as my fallback position, hoping we would see some groundswell
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:19 PM
Feb 2020

for Biden or Amy or in my wildest dreams, Liz, in the coming weeks. But then I read this post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=532704

and I declared for Bloomberg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
10. I do have a strong pulse for Bloomberg...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:31 PM
Feb 2020

This is because I think he could beat tRump ....that actually is my primary focus....He has the money, vast resources and really wants to get tRump out of the WH....

I don't want anyone similar to tRump...I don't think he is...his business is open... legal..not mafia ...all positives. I guess, we all could live with that....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
18. Ohhh, yea..
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:41 PM
Feb 2020

I believe the Democratic Debate tomorrow will be or at least could very well be a game changer. I will record it just to rewind on candidates response if needed....I only have until March 17th....Ohio votes then.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
19. I think you're right. I have till late April, so I am hoping there is a clear answer by then.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:42 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
3. The race horse Cigar won 16 consecutive races against top class horses..... 16 fucking races
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:14 PM
Feb 2020

Then got his ass kicked by a 19 to 1 longshot named Alphabet Soup.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
5. The issue was turnout. As the Atlantic reported a lot of Obama voters who were young and liked
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:16 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders stayed home. 4 million of them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to FarPoint (Original post)

 

Turin_C3PO

(13,649 posts)
9. Hillary won fair and square.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:25 PM
Feb 2020

Much more people voted for her than Sanders. Deal with it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
11. When all said and done...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:32 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie lost....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
8. The party
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:24 PM
Feb 2020

by nominating a Democratic Socialist will give the entire Southeast to Trump and we will lose 12-16 House seats. No Democratic Senator up for reelection wants Sanders on top of ticket. It's a nightmare.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
13. Clinton 2016 states plus Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan and the Southeast can go hang (n/t)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:34 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,649 posts)
15. We don't need the Southeast.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:37 PM
Feb 2020

Sure it would be great to win Florida, NC, or Georgia but we can win without them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
12. Bernie is leading in the polls and in the popular vote. Joe Biden ran in
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:33 PM
Feb 2020

1984 - 1 delegate
1988 - 2 delegates
2008 - 64,041 votes (finished 7th)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
14. Bernie will not win Florida.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:34 PM
Feb 2020

I'm sorry, but he won't, and if he can't win Florida, he can't beat Trump.

That said...if he is the nominee, I will vote for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
16. If he can win every state Clinton won in 2016...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:39 PM
Feb 2020

and also win Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin? He doesn't need to win Florida. (And Sanders beats Trump in all 3 in head-to-head polling although we need more recent polls for better data).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
17. That is probably accurate however he will probably win CA.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:39 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
20. Sanders was doing a lot better in the polls against Trump than Hillary for one thing
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:47 PM
Feb 2020

"Almost every poll has shown that Sanders vs. Trump does a lot better than Clinton vs. Trump … and, that’s true nationally."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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