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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:29 AM Feb 2020

WOW! I was already going to caucus for Senator Warren on Saturday, but after tonite I have one Q:

How is any other Democrat not 100 percent on the Liz train?

She was so obviously the person on stage who would make the best candidate and the best chief executive.

INMHO: It is not even close.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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WOW! I was already going to caucus for Senator Warren on Saturday, but after tonite I have one Q: (Original Post) malchickiwick Feb 2020 OP
I feel ya jcgoldie Feb 2020 #1
Hopefully this will be the beginning of a comeback. It makes me sad she hasn't caught on Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #2
Enough with wallowing in the pity talk. You do this constantly about her. Give her her due. No one ancianita Feb 2020 #5
I wonder if someone coached her to not be herself for the last month or two. DanTex Feb 2020 #9
I kinda think she was trying to stay out of the fray sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #27
You got it wrong. She isn't wired to attack team members. She excels at blm Feb 2020 #39
GREAT analogy! malchickiwick Feb 2020 #10
Seriously. It's time this country gave a great woman her due. She's nailed the anti-Trump issues: ancianita Feb 2020 #3
She handled Bloomberg like a champ. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #4
Better than anyone onstage. She'd also rip this Nazi president a new hairdo. ancianita Feb 2020 #6
She had a huge fundraising hour during the debate. TDale313 Feb 2020 #7
She's been excellent throughout. I blame the media. kysrsoze Feb 2020 #8
I blame institutional misogyny malchickiwick Feb 2020 #12
That's pretty much it I'm afraid. we can do it Feb 2020 #14
+++++++++++++ not fooled Feb 2020 #16
I blame AOC (for endorsing Sanders instead). Laelth Feb 2020 #41
After NH, the media ignored her hangaleft Feb 2020 #44
Liz kicked ass tonight. MontanaMama Feb 2020 #11
I have no idea. we can do it Feb 2020 #13
Because dump is beating her by the most in the swing states..so no I'm no on board. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #15
There's something really weird going on. DemocracyMouse Feb 2020 #17
Agreed. I think any of our candidates will beat Trump in November. Laelth Feb 2020 #42
Well, at least we are keeping 45 confused as to whom he should be directing his attacks. Doitnow Feb 2020 #18
Good point. We are. The target keeps moving. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #43
Can you imagine him in a similar "Jeopardy" question?! JudyM Feb 2020 #45
I'm there. I've been there. dchill Feb 2020 #19
She won the debate tonight. Bloomberg may not come back. jalan48 Feb 2020 #20
I supported her for the longest time... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #21
Answer: her MfA policy... brooklynite Feb 2020 #22
Wow...that all sounded so staged. I actually fell for it. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #23
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #37
She's hand Trump his ass Gus2525 Feb 2020 #24
She's amazing pattyloutwo Feb 2020 #25
My wallet has been on the Liz train from the very start of her campaign Mersky Feb 2020 #26
Just curious: does she like being called Liz? question everything Feb 2020 #28
Because there are other issues that are debatable still_one Feb 2020 #29
Eh, she lost me with her flip flopping on MFA GanjaGrower Feb 2020 #30
And how did you feel about your candidates responses to key Qs? malchickiwick Feb 2020 #38
She sure knocked Bloomberg off my stage!!! nt LAS14 Feb 2020 #31
She is a sharp debater. Very bright. An expert in her area and champion for average Americans, but emmaverybo Feb 2020 #32
Because she is a populist, promising stuff she knows she can't deliver, Hoyt Feb 2020 #33
i agree. barbtries Feb 2020 #34
She's a fucking warrior eissa Feb 2020 #35
I voted for her already yuiyoshida Feb 2020 #36
She had a good night. No question about that. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #40
 

jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
1. I feel ya
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:30 AM
Feb 2020

It doesn't seem close.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
2. Hopefully this will be the beginning of a comeback. It makes me sad she hasn't caught on
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:31 AM
Feb 2020

It's like you have Michael Jordan in the NBA draft and they are taking players who just can't match him. In this case her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,813 posts)
5. Enough with wallowing in the pity talk. You do this constantly about her. Give her her due. No one
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:32 AM
Feb 2020

says that stuff about any of the men. No one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
9. I wonder if someone coached her to not be herself for the last month or two.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:37 AM
Feb 2020

But she is definitely back to the Warren that was shooting to the top of the pack last fall. Maybe some campaign consultant or something tried to get her to be more poll-tested or whatever. She was amazing tonight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sweetloukillbot

(10,814 posts)
27. I kinda think she was trying to stay out of the fray
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:14 AM
Feb 2020

Seem like the sensible one. Unfortunately that meant everyone else sucked the air out of the room.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,920 posts)
39. You got it wrong. She isn't wired to attack team members. She excels at
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:01 AM
Feb 2020

targeting the power and corruption.

It isn’t rhetoric to her, it’s who she is.

She took down the powerful Bloomberg with precision.

She will be more lethal aiming at the corrupt Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
10. GREAT analogy!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:37 AM
Feb 2020

I couldn't agree more.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,813 posts)
3. Seriously. It's time this country gave a great woman her due. She's nailed the anti-Trump issues:
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:31 AM
Feb 2020

Corruption. Structural change.

It covers all levels of what will improve government and the country when we kick that Nazi out the door.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
4. She handled Bloomberg like a champ.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:32 AM
Feb 2020

But she also threw pot shots at everyone on stage. If people only remember her interactions with Bloomberg then she'll be fine, but there's a chance her attacks on all of the other candidates will backfire.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ancianita

(35,813 posts)
6. Better than anyone onstage. She'd also rip this Nazi president a new hairdo.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:33 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
7. She had a huge fundraising hour during the debate.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:34 AM
Feb 2020

Her biggest ever. She’ll get another look after tonight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kysrsoze

(6,010 posts)
8. She's been excellent throughout. I blame the media.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:36 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
12. I blame institutional misogyny
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020

The two candidates who are head and shoulder above the field are women who can't get "traction" -- not an accident

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

we can do it

(12,118 posts)
14. That's pretty much it I'm afraid.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:42 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
16. +++++++++++++
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:56 AM
Feb 2020

She's head and shoulders above the other candidates, in my opinion.

Corporate media sidelining her + misogyny + ignorant or deliberate mischaracterization of her policies as "radical"--when they are really just a return to good governance--are why she isn't miles ahead.

She would do the most to help the most people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
41. I blame AOC (for endorsing Sanders instead).
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:20 AM
Feb 2020

But that's just my personal opinion.



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
44. After NH, the media ignored her
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:31 AM
Feb 2020

After tonight, I’m hoping Warren gets the coverage and support she deserves.

I’m all in for Liz. I have no second choice. As far as I’m concerned, there’s Warren and then there’s everybody else.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MontanaMama

(23,242 posts)
11. Liz kicked ass tonight.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:38 AM
Feb 2020

No question about it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
15. Because dump is beating her by the most in the swing states..so no I'm no on board. nt
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:43 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
17. There's something really weird going on.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:04 AM
Feb 2020

Democrats, hear me out:

It makes sense to look at people's performance in the swing states while jostling about in the primaries, but if there's a candidate that we like, shouldn't we ask this:

What can we do as the majority party, as the brighter, more conscientious oarty, to bridge the gap between who we like and swing state Democrats and fence sitters? Hasn't it simply been a matter of getting real, fact-based information to Americans? This is one of the most uninformed, politically clueless countries on Earth. Send out massive numbers of Democratic diplomats to help the South in particular conceptualize how they have been voting against their own interests for decades.

We should be leading this process, not letting the lowest common denominator scare us into cowardice and settling for second or third best candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
42. Agreed. I think any of our candidates will beat Trump in November.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:22 AM
Feb 2020

As such, and as usual, we should vote our hearts in the primaries.

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
18. Well, at least we are keeping 45 confused as to whom he should be directing his attacks.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:04 AM
Feb 2020

He has been gliding along thinking he had it all figured out. I think he could be scared by most every one on that stage tonight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
43. Good point. We are. The target keeps moving. n/t
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:22 AM
Feb 2020

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
45. Can you imagine him in a similar "Jeopardy" question?!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:45 PM
Feb 2020
ask him anything, he won’t know it.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dchill

(38,324 posts)
19. I'm there. I've been there.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:06 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
20. She won the debate tonight. Bloomberg may not come back.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:06 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,813 posts)
21. I supported her for the longest time...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:07 AM
Feb 2020

...back when she was competitive with Biden in the polls, but then she got knocked for not being to answer questions about Sanders's Medicare for All plan and yet has clung closely to Sanders this entire time, even though he basically operates in the same lane as her. She should have shown some of that fire against Sanders at some point, but she didn't, and now is left picking up scraps while the candidate she defends almost as much as herself is now the projected frontrunner. I understand not wanting to piss off those unhinged Sanders supporters out there, but what has embracing Sanders gotten her? A lot of snake emojis on social media?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
22. Answer: her MfA policy...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:07 AM
Feb 2020

She's been losing strength since November. If she could find a way to allow private insurance plans, I might support her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. Wow...that all sounded so staged. I actually fell for it.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:08 AM
Feb 2020

Good job, Warren supporter!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #23)

 

Gus2525

(68 posts)
24. She's hand Trump his ass
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:08 AM
Feb 2020

and that's just his NDAs, sexual assault allegations, and campaign violation payments to porn stars.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pattyloutwo

(279 posts)
25. She's amazing
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:11 AM
Feb 2020

Huge win tonight, would be a huge win for our country!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mersky

(4,969 posts)
26. My wallet has been on the Liz train from the very start of her campaign
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:13 AM
Feb 2020

She was great tonight. I mean, she always is. One of Biden’s speeches early on brought me to tears, and I do trust him. Then Beto entered, and I knew the phenomenon he was for Texas. I was pretty torn up when he exited.

Biden and Warren have been my top candidates the whole time. I have stood by Biden while he was getting dragged down by the criminal in the WH, because I do think he knows where all the levers and switches are to turn all the lights back on in the Oval Office.

Warren, though? Clearly, she can take care of herself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,271 posts)
28. Just curious: does she like being called Liz?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:16 AM
Feb 2020

I know that many - men and women - do not like the nicknames that others use.

I remember in 1996, Elizabeth Dole literally shut out Lesley Stahl because the tried to refer to her as Liddy..



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,965 posts)
29. Because there are other issues that are debatable
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:17 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

GanjaGrower

(83 posts)
30. Eh, she lost me with her flip flopping on MFA
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:17 AM
Feb 2020

Although I would love to see her as Bloomberg’s VP running mate. Would be an awesome ticket that unites moderates and progressives.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
38. And how did you feel about your candidates responses to key Qs?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:01 AM
Feb 2020

'Cause frankly they were pretty lame.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
31. She sure knocked Bloomberg off my stage!!! nt
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:20 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
32. She is a sharp debater. Very bright. An expert in her area and champion for average Americans, but
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:22 AM
Feb 2020

all that has nothing much to do with qualifications or experience related to the duties of chief
executive, leader of the free world, commander in Chief, international leader etc. Her lack of
experience in world affairs is problematic. These are perilous times.

Hilary Clinton had more of the background needed and I feel a woman candidate will have to be the
best qualified because of not hatred towards women, but lack of familiarity with women in the, highest office, nation leaders. I think we did elect a woman, but consider that Hilary’s related background was extensive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
33. Because she is a populist, promising stuff she knows she can't deliver,
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:25 AM
Feb 2020

she helped put us in this situation by misinforming people on trade while bashing Obama/Clinton right up until 2016 election, etc. Really that simple.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
34. i agree.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:27 AM
Feb 2020

people have other opinions though, for sure.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

eissa

(4,238 posts)
35. She's a fucking warrior
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:44 AM
Feb 2020

The sharpest and most articulate candidate we have, who is the antithesis to corruption and cronyism needed to go against the Orange menace. She’ll make a damn fine President!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

yuiyoshida

(41,764 posts)
36. I voted for her already
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:45 AM
Feb 2020

Since the California vote by mail ballots were delivered.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
40. She had a good night. No question about that. n/t
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:16 AM
Feb 2020

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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