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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,271 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:32 AM Feb 2020

MORE VOTERS BELIEVE BERNIE SANDERS IS THE MOST HONEST CANDIDATE OF ALL DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS

MORE VOTERS BELIEVE BERNIE SANDERS IS THE MOST HONEST CANDIDATE OF ALL DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS, POLL FINDS



https://www.newsweek.com/more-voters-believe-bernie-sanders-most-honest-candidate-all-democratic-contenders-poll-finds-1484626


More voters believe that Senator Bernie Sanders is the most honest Democratic presidential contender of all other candidates, according to a new poll.

The latest survey data from Quinnipiac University showed that 26 percent of respondents chose Sanders as the most honest candidate, while Joe Biden was the second-most trusted contender, with 17 percent choosing the former vice president.

Senator Elizabeth Warren came in third, with 14 percent saying she was the most honest, while former Mayor Pete Buttigieg trailed at just 6 percent followed by Senator Amy Klobuchar at 5 percent.
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MORE VOTERS BELIEVE BERNIE SANDERS IS THE MOST HONEST CANDIDATE OF ALL DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 OP
Way are you shouting? nt doc03 Feb 2020 #1
Ha, ha, ha! PatSeg Feb 2020 #4
One thing I will not deny is that Sanders shouts. I've heard him live. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #10
Steven Colbert just doing him he has him dead on nt doc03 Feb 2020 #13
I can take it in small doses, PatSeg Feb 2020 #21
He's very much a New Yorker. I guess if you grow up around it it's not so bad. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #25
I've been around too many angry, loud men PatSeg Feb 2020 #27
I find it annoying. nt TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #22
I never thought of it that way. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #19
Newsweek posts headlines in CAPS ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #8
There are browser-plugins that will quickly proper case them. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #17
Honest sure. Electable, no evertonfc Feb 2020 #2
Not even honest.. Callado119 Feb 2020 #20
+1 TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #23
Correct. SergeStorms Feb 2020 #26
WELL THERE'S A SHOCKER!! NOT!! GREAT POST... THANKS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #3
"74% chose someone else" posts coming in 5, 4, 3, 2... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #5
Supports my point that attacking Bernie is a failed strategy. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #6
Unfulfillable promises isn't honesty. Hoyt Feb 2020 #7
Measures needed to rectify dishonesty is ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #9
In fact, there's a lot of value in dreaming big and pushing for large-scale change. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #33
Yup. People trust people that tell them what they want to hear. AleksS Feb 2020 #12
It is not honest promising a bunch things that he knows will never get doc03 Feb 2020 #11
+1 TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #24
Bernie's brilliant ruse redstateblues Feb 2020 #32
People judging Sanders by his putative "honesty" is too much like them voting for Trump More_Cowbell Feb 2020 #14
"...the poll also showed that significantly more respondents viewed Biden as the best leader..." SunSeeker Feb 2020 #15
party pooper...:-) bt msongs Feb 2020 #18
LOL SunSeeker Feb 2020 #29
Took the wind right out of the OP's sail. dware Feb 2020 #31
Sadly, Bernie only says one thing over and over world wide wally Feb 2020 #16
How can an Independent Democratic Socialist try to be all things to all people democratisphere Feb 2020 #28
More people in Alabama believe that Trump is a President. NNadir Feb 2020 #30
"Most honest" is a kind of loaded poll question. Better to ask how honest you find each candidate, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #34
 

doc03

(35,143 posts)
1. Way are you shouting? nt
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:36 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
4. Ha, ha, ha!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:38 AM
Feb 2020

Like his candidate I suppose!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
10. One thing I will not deny is that Sanders shouts. I've heard him live.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:45 AM
Feb 2020

He's like a foghorn. I find it endearing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

doc03

(35,143 posts)
13. Steven Colbert just doing him he has him dead on nt
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:47 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
21. I can take it in small doses,
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:58 AM
Feb 2020

but its getting really old now. Angry yelling can be used occasionally for effect, but all the time is exhausting and irritating. I used to really like Bernie back when I heard him occasionally on the radio or TV. I'm on Bernie overload now and can't listen to the constant anger all the time.

The problem with yelling all the time is people stop hearing what you are saying because they are focused on the yelling. I often have to hit mute or fast-forward when he is on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
25. He's very much a New Yorker. I guess if you grow up around it it's not so bad.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:01 AM
Feb 2020

Others may not appreciate it. I actually don't really notice the yelling anymore unless someone points it out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
27. I've been around too many angry, loud men
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:05 AM
Feb 2020

I'll never get used to it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
19. I never thought of it that way.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:54 AM
Feb 2020

It makes a lot more sense now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
8. Newsweek posts headlines in CAPS
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:40 AM
Feb 2020

If you copy and paste an article from Newsweek it will be in CAPS. Take it up with Newsweek.

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Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
17. There are browser-plugins that will quickly proper case them.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:52 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Callado119

(171 posts)
20. Not even honest..
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:55 AM
Feb 2020

..lying about his medical records, the Warren conversation and many many many other things

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SergeStorms

(18,880 posts)
26. Correct.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:04 AM
Feb 2020

Americans will not elect a self-described socialist who's going to make them give up healthcare for which they've fought for decades. Ain't gonna' happen. The Bernie Bros can shout, scream, and threaten all they want, but unless they're planning on holding a gun to everyone's head he isn't electable. Most Democrats will hold their noses and vote for him, but they'll lose almost all independents and Union members. That spells four more years of Tangerine Idi Amin, and that's intolerable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
3. WELL THERE'S A SHOCKER!! NOT!! GREAT POST... THANKS!!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:37 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
5. "74% chose someone else" posts coming in 5, 4, 3, 2...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:38 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Yavin4

(35,354 posts)
6. Supports my point that attacking Bernie is a failed strategy.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020

He is who he is. He's not pretending. You know where he stands. You're not going to shake his supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Unfulfillable promises isn't honesty.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
9. Measures needed to rectify dishonesty is
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:44 AM
Feb 2020

But of course every promise might be a dream, does that stop people from wanting better?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
33. In fact, there's a lot of value in dreaming big and pushing for large-scale change.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:35 AM
Feb 2020

When negotiating, you don't start out where you hope to end up.

And millions of young people especially are starving for a reason to believe there's hope for the future. Let's inspire an army of Greta Thunbergs. Everything is impossible until it isn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
12. Yup. People trust people that tell them what they want to hear.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:46 AM
Feb 2020

People trust people who tell them what they want to hear.

So of course they trust BS. They really want what he says to be true.

It’s the same reason why, on the GOP side, Trumpers believe that the Mango Mussolini is honest, even in the face of 15,000+ lies now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

doc03

(35,143 posts)
11. It is not honest promising a bunch things that he knows will never get
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:45 AM
Feb 2020

passed and he doesn't know how to pay for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
32. Bernie's brilliant ruse
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:31 AM
Feb 2020

Promising free 4 year college that will never come to pass. There is already free community college is many states

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

More_Cowbell

(2,190 posts)
14. People judging Sanders by his putative "honesty" is too much like them voting for Trump
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:51 AM
Feb 2020

I'm hoping that we don't end up with another person who is seen as the only person telling things straight. Though of course I'll vote for him if he is the Democratic candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
15. "...the poll also showed that significantly more respondents viewed Biden as the best leader..."
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:51 AM
Feb 2020

"...at 31 percent compared with Sanders at just 18 percent.  Biden was also widely seen as the best candidate to defeat President Donald Trump in the general election, with 44 percent choosing the former vice president and only 19 percent pointing to Sanders." https://www.newsweek.com/more-voters-believe-bernie-sanders-most-honest-candidate-all-democratic-contenders-poll-finds-1484626


Oops.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,193 posts)
18. party pooper...:-) bt
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:54 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dware

(12,092 posts)
31. Took the wind right out of the OP's sail.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:22 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

world wide wally

(21,718 posts)
16. Sadly, Bernie only says one thing over and over
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:52 AM
Feb 2020

"3% of the 1% control 80% of the total percentage..."
Don't get me wrong. I do like Bernie but I don't see him winning a general election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
28. How can an Independent Democratic Socialist try to be all things to all people
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:12 AM
Feb 2020

and still be so-called honest. Unbelievable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NNadir

(33,368 posts)
30. More people in Alabama believe that Trump is a President.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:09 AM
Feb 2020

What is popular in a small possibly unrepresentative sample has nothing to do with what is true.

If everyone agreed that Bernie Sanders was not a tired old man from a generation of people who destroyed the environment, voted in Ronald Reagan, and two George Bushes, this would not mean that Bernie Sanders was not a tired old man from a generation that voted in Ronald Reagan and two George Bushes, and...Donald Trump.

The name of the logical fallacy is Appeal to Popularity

This is a common fallacy used in advertising: If it is the case that "more people drink Coca-Cola than drink orange juice" does not imply that Coca-Cola is a superior nutritional beverage than orange juice.

Trying to convince someone that something is right because it is popular is weak thinking.

We have many candidates in the Democratic Party who would represent far better Presidents than Bernie Sanders, all of them in fact.

We don't need yet another ideologue with ideas that have remained inflexible for half a century. We already have one; and he is the only President ever to have been worse than James Buchanan in the office.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,953 posts)
34. "Most honest" is a kind of loaded poll question. Better to ask how honest you find each candidate,
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:27 PM
Feb 2020

because saying you think candidate X is most honest doesn't tell us whether you find none, one, some, or all of the other candidates to be honest as well, which affects how significant this would be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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