Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI'm out of this group for a while.
I need to take time to digest the apparent trajectory of the presidential primary and assess how this will affect the House of Representatives. I think we can probably say goodbye to winning the Senate and the NC governorship is in serious peril. Now is a good time to see if there are places where the ticket can also make SOME positive advances.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cilla4progress
(24,589 posts)Biden/Warren ticket would be unifying.
Don't give up on us!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Codeine
(25,586 posts)but I am starting to think our ship may have sailed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)going to be a bloodbath for the center and left. 2020 being a realignment year, I was hoping and still am we will get someone in there that can help us with state houses and redistricting..otherwise, those who want to see the Democratic Party.. The oldest political party in the United States kneecapped and possibly destroyed.. will get their wish..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,632 posts)What are you going to do when people actually vote for what *they* want instead of what you think they should want?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cilla4progress
(24,589 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kcr
(15,300 posts)They are all so sweet and nice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)that he'll get crushed by the Mango Menace, along with down ballot Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,674 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,632 posts)attacked Sanders, come to believe their own propaganda, and who have decided that he is Voldemort.
Get over it. Fight like hell in the primaries, stand together in the GE.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)I'm not worried about "us" standing together. We will. But we can't win with just us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Republicans will never vote for a Democrat. Republican leaning Independents will never vote for a Democrat. Bernie is beating Trump +18 with the rest of the independents.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)We don't flip those swing and red districts, we don't win back the House in 2018.
I've got many family members who voted for Trump in 2016 but would vote for Biden this time, but not for Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,122 posts)Latino vote that Dems have been trying to figure out how to do. He did it by focusing on family cohesion apparently.
In addition to what appears also to be getting a lot of new voters out, both of which will be helpful to the party going forward.
Theres big picture cause for hope for the future here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
womanofthehills
(8,584 posts)In Nevada, his campaign contacted or visited more than once, every registered Hispanic Dem in Nevada. Many Latinos said no one ever cared enough to visit them before.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Vivienne235729
(3,373 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
womanofthehills
(8,584 posts)Out and about in NM, most people I know love Bernie. He polls great with younger people, Hispanics, and women and bad with older people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,094 posts)And when the Mango Menace crushes Bernie in the GE, don't say I didn't tell you so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
womanofthehills
(8,584 posts)Also, Trump is getting more bizarre day by day and pissing off lots of people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)to this day. He just tweeted another divisive message about the Democratic establishment. This lack of honesty is mostly why this persists. Declaring a war on centrists and then complaining when they fight back is just dishonest, sorry.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,968 posts)Turner
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MontanaMama
(23,242 posts)According to our intelligence agencies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boulevardier
(91 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,094 posts)of winning the GE.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wisteria
(19,581 posts)I will be out. If Sanders controls this party, I want nothing to do with it any more.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dbolski
(52 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bdamomma
(63,658 posts)I was wondering that myself???? hold your nose and VOTE, or kiss your rights away.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)We lose in 2020, America ceases to exist as we know it for the next generation (which for most of us is the rest of our lives) and SCOTUS goes 7-2. This is not the election to be selfish but to think of America's future to even have a future for America!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CalFione
(571 posts)But what you are going to get his four more years of Donald Trump and Kevin McCarthy as the new speaker of the house of representatives.
Because what you are is not even a majority of the Democratic Party, let alone the majority of the wider electorate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)And I'm not talking about anyone you can lecture on this board.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarc
(10,472 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)we can kiss the House goodbye, kiss goodbye to any chance of retaking the Senate, and a whole lot of other down ballot races, along with the added pleasure of another 4 years of the Mango Menace.
Even if, by some miracle, Bernie does win the GE, none of his policies would pass because we would not be in control of the Congress, which is the body that holds the purse strings, makes laws, etc.
It will be a disaster of epic proportions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boulevardier
(91 posts)Which should strongly suggest to our Democratic representatives that his policies are what the people want. We'll have to see if that happens.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,094 posts)there won't be any blue wave.
America is still a center to center left country, as evidenced in 2018 when the majority of far left candidates were defeated by moderate Dems.
America is not ready for, nor will vote for, a far left socialist, and when the Trump campaign starts hammering Bernie with negative ads, well, it's not going to be pretty for Bernie and any down ballot Dems.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
just told everyone that, what 2 months ago. Again, hes trying to tell us something, but do we listen! This is about logistics, not policy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)If he comes on a big blue wave it will be because of the people he doesn't think he will need. I will vote for him and I will puke before and after I sign that ballot and it will be the people like me who put him there and it won't because we agree with him.
He used us once and he is using us (the party) again. I will be his worse critic if I have to vote for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)There will be severe and long-lasting damage to the Democratic Party and to our democracy
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Promised a bunch of free to people who arent going to get it. Sad deal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,156 posts)and he's not anti-semitic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,156 posts)as so many here are doing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,156 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,094 posts)He's said so himself.
The problem is that he's lying to himself if he thinks the Congress will pass his pie in the sky proposals.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boulevardier
(91 posts)"Lost, desperate low info folks and college kids who don't know any better."
Sounds pretty condescending.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,156 posts)much too much of that happening here, playing right into 'their' hands.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ForgedCrank
(1,723 posts)and never participated until recently, but I have to say it.
I cannot believe we are doing this AGAIN.
This guy isn't even a Democrat. He's poison to the system, and this is going to cost us the entire election top to bottom.
I just can't believe what I am witnessing right now. And I'm not even arguing policy, it's a matter of numbers. There is no way Sanders can carry enough independents to defeat trump, and the thought it making me sick.
My god, I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see any viable path here.
GEEZ
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pwb
(11,205 posts)Reading the headlines on latest threads it seems DP is getting infiltrated from without sometimes?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)The convention will determine the Democratic Party's nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)There may be some scenario where we can hold the house but Im not optimistic about that either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boulevardier
(91 posts)From Real Clear Politics averages of the polls:
Nationwide, Bernie 50.2%, Trump 45.6%. Of the dozens of polls listed, Trump only wins 5.
I know, I know, it's the electoral college. Well:
In Michigan, Bernie 49.0%, Trump 44.3%
In Pennsylvania, Bernie 47.3%, Trump 44.7%
Hell, even in North Carolina, it's Bernie 47%, Trump 46%.
In New Mexico, Bernie 59%, Trump 41%. Wow.
In Colorado, Bernie 55%, Trump 45%. (Only one poll from last year.)
In Wisconsin, all the candidates are losing to Trump right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Dukakis led too, at one point. Theyre going to drop $2 billion on Bernies head. Its going to be ugly for him. He wont be leading after that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boulevardier
(91 posts)I understand that it's hard when actual data points don't correspond with dogmatic convictions.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Here are some data points for you. Now, I understand that its hard when actual data points dont correspond with dogmatic convictions like those of Sanders supporters who believe the general electorate is ready for a full on embrace of socialism but sometimes hard lessons are necessary.
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/19/807047941/poll-sanders-rises-but-socialism-isnt-popular-with-most-americans
A new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll backs up the idea that the label could hurt him.
Asked about their impression of socialism, 28% of adults said they have a favorable view, while 58% said they had an unfavorable one.
Good luck in November!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boulevardier
(91 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)Trump unleashes his attack dogs on Bernie, it's going to get real ugly for Bernie and down ballot Dems.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(57,661 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)Proof positive that we HAD to nominate Biden or we would lose. Now, not so much. They mean nothing apparently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AJT
(5,240 posts)win in rural WI, and you need to bring a good portion of them into the fold.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jedi Guy
(3,171 posts)The GOP is going to hammer Bernie with all the oppo research they have, which is said to be horrendous. I've seen articles referring to a two-foot thick binder of damaging info, a fair bit of it being his own words and actions. You can only say "I used to think that, but now I think..." so many times before people start calling bullshit.
Bernie has, thus far, not had to slog through any of that shit. Hillary didn't use it for fear of alienating Bernie's supporters and losing them in the general. The GOP will have show no such grace. Trump will do what Trump does best, which is lie, smear, distort, and gaslight, but with all that oppo research to play with.
It should tell you a lot that Russia is, according to our intelligence agencies, aiding Bernie's campaign. They clearly believe he's the best foe for Trump to face.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)and neither will down ballot Democrats at that point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)but logic tells me you're wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boulevardier
(91 posts)Bernie is leading nationally, as well as in crucial swing states like Michigan and Pennsylvania. He's also leading Trump in Colorado, New Mexico, and North Carolina, among others. See my post just upthread for the numbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,094 posts)I don't trust polls in the least, I trust people, which I talk to a lot and my gut feeling is we're headed towards a disaster if Bernie is our nominee.
Once again, I pray I'm wrong but I really don't think I am.
We'll know come Nov. if Bernie is our nominee, which, by then, it will be too late for us, the country and the world.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Democrats and Indies (that lean Democratic) and disgruntled Republicans (and there are many), the ones who care where the country is heading will vote in large number across board against shithole . . . and his cronies.
Will the Republican cheat, steal and rig with the help of foreign countries, yes.
And for the records, yes I believe the Russians did help Senator Sanders . . .
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)they'll just stay home, and I know this from talking to a shit load of my trucker friends who would vote Dem if Joe Biden was our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)important their vote is. They will vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,094 posts)We shall see.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(57,661 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Don't let a sometime Democratic candidate with very little or no Democratic Party loyalty bring you down. We need you here to kick some arse!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)We're working on turning Arizona blue. Mark Kelly currently is up 7 points over McSally here. We'll hopefully have 2 Democratic Senators from AZ for the first time.
If we can do it, at least 3-4 other states can too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Calling Randy SF "Felicia" is profoundly disrespectful. Randy does more for this site than most. You own an apology.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rwheeler31
(6,242 posts)things look horrid now but perhaps something good will happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)a well deserved break from here and we'll be here when you come back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,096 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(57,661 posts)to save the House.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden