Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kentuck

kentuck's Journal
kentuck's Journal
October 21, 2019

Investigating the investigators of the investigators...

Would that be wrong? Would that be treasonous?

Where would it be different from just investigating the investigators? Does there have to be a reason or some evidence to recommend an investigation, other than just a conspiracy theory?

To question the legitimacy of an official investigation without credible evidence seems almost treasonous? To search for a DNC server in Ukraine without any evidence is a prime example. To investigate political opponents with foreign proxies seems to be another example?

Just what are Mssrs. Barr and Duncan doing in the investigation, that they are doing at the request of Donald Trump? Are they credible? Are they legitimate? Are they treasonous?

October 21, 2019

Is Donald Trump going to "self-impeach"?

Just a couple of months ago, Nancy Pelosi suggested that he was going to impeach himself.

Since that time, he has confessed to a very incriminating phone call with the president of Ukraine, although he has not yet confessed to a quid pro quo, his Chief of Staff has said that it happened.

Then he was rolled in a phone call with the president of Turkey. He would withdraw all US troops from the Kurd regions and Turkey could take over part of Syria as their own. Just as Russia and Syria were marching from the south. Even 129 Republicans in the House voted against that decision. (There is no reason to believe they voted against Trump, but only his "decision)

Then, and then...

He rolled out Mulvaney to inform the people that he was going to have the G-7 at his Golf Resort, the Doral in Miami. It said so much about him. The criticism was almost universal. But, Mulvaney agreed to take other questions about other issues, and in the process, confessed to a quid pro quo with the Ukrainians. They had to agree to investigate the 2016 DNC server. Way back then...in 2016.

And this has all happened in just the last few weeks. Imagine what might come out in the next three to four weeks? It's a scary proposition for us all. But, especially for the moderates in the Republican Party.

Nancy Pelosi has been very patient. She has played her cards real close to her vest. Nevertheless, the impeachment train is coming round the bend. Hopefully, the people will begin to see and hear.

October 20, 2019

Thanksgiving?

Is this impeachment investigation going to be over by Thanksgiving?

McConnell and the Republicans would like to get it over as soon as possible. They would like the Articles of Impeachment before Thanksgiving, but Christmas at the latest.

Because it seems that every witness that appears brings some new incriminating information. They believe the longer it goes on, the worse it might be for Republicans?

Madame Pelosi has said they will follow the Constitution and follow the truth wherever it may lead. She is not keen on setting a timetable for gathering the evidence just yet.

They may get a surprise witness! Wonder who will play that role? The whistleblower may go public with his/her information? Maybe they already have? How would we know?

October 20, 2019

Absolute Corruption - A Presidency With No Boundaries

Everyone was shocked and surprised when Mulvaney announced that Trump was going to hold next years G-7 at his property in Miami?

Why would he propose such an insane idea?

Because he saw a way to make a profit for himself and nobody had said that he couldn't?

Donald Trump does not see ethical or moral boundaries in any of his dealings. Everything is transactional. He has to be shown that he cannot do it.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. America has a free-range executive.

October 20, 2019

Why was Giuliani involved in a shadow State Dept operation in Ukraine?

Why was he doing it in secret?

Why was it something our FBI and CIA could not investigate?

Why did it have to be done out of normal channels?

Who else in the Trump White House knows all the same details that Trump and Giuliani knows about their operation in Ukraine? Pompeo? The State Dept Ambassadors? Mulvaney? None of them?

Is it possible the entire conspiracy is not about the DNC server or the Bidens?

Is it possible that Trump and Giuliani have a totally different agenda?

I think so.

October 20, 2019

Why it might not be a good idea to have a secret ballot if there is an impeachment trial?

It has been mentioned and nuzzled aside several times.

But, considering the present political atmosphere, with the division and re-election fears, some argue that it might be best if there were a secret ballot. No one would know who votes for or who votes against Donald Trump?

The purpose would be to take away the pressure from those Senators that might feel threatened if they were to vote their consciences. That would apply to both Democrats and Republicans. They would make their decisions after hearing all the evidence.

Mitch McConnell has stated that there would be a fair trial if it comes to the Senate. It is up to the Democrats to hold him to that standard.

It should be noted that there does not have to be a crime committed in order to impeach. The Senate may require more evidence to convict than the House requires to indict or impeach?

If he was acquitted, those opposed to Trump would want to know who voted for him? If found guilty, those supportive would want to know if their Senator was one of those that voted against their President? They would argue that the people have a right to know how their Senators vote.

However, if the goal is to have a fair trial, a secret ballot may be the only way to get a fair verdict?

October 19, 2019

A Conspiracy Against the United States of America?

What happens when individuals so distrust our institutions that they refuse to accept the results of any investigation? They choose to investigate the investigators. They do not accept the legitimacy of any dept of government except the Executive and his Attorney General.

They do not trust the FBI or the CIA or any part of our country's intelligence. They do not trust our State Dept. They discredit everything from the opposition Party and from the press of our nation. They tell their supporters it is all "fake news".

When the people choose to believe one or two individuals over our established institutions, there is a very serious problem. When they choose to investigate the investigators, they are creating a conspiracy against our government. Institutions cannot survive under such conditions.

In order for a government to remain stable, its citizens must have faith in its basic institutions. Those that seek to destroy that relationship are guilty of conspiring against our government. We are presently witnessing a conspiracy against the United States of America.

October 18, 2019

3 Ukrainian lawmakers doing Trump's dirty work in scandal

(Might help with understanding the bigger picture?)
========================

<snip>
The three lawmakers — Oleg Voloshyn, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko and Andriy Derkach — represent different political parties and claim they’re acting out of their own desire to establish the truth and help Ukraine.

However, their backgrounds raise suspicions that they are acting on behalf of bigger players in scandal: an exiled Ukrainian oligarch and a former top prosecutor who supplied questionable information to people close to Trump.

Voloshyn and Nalyvaichenko have links to the oligarch Dmytro Firtash, who has been stuck in Vienna, fighting a U.S. extradition order on bribery charges since 2014. Firtash gave information to Rudolph Giuliani, Trump’s lawyer and a key player in his efforts to dig up dirt on his political enemies in Ukraine, Time magazine reported.

Meanwhile, Derkach, is close to former Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, who also supplied Giuliani with information about Biden. Lutsenko, whom Ukrainian law enforcement is now investigating for abuse of power, has recently moved to London, supposedly to study English.



https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/3-ukrainian-lawmakers-doing-trumps-dirty-work-in-scandal.html

October 18, 2019

Trump betrayals (Kyiv Post - Ukraine)

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/editorial/trump-betrayals.html

<snip>
U.?S. President Donald J. Trump’s abandonment of Kurdish allies in northern Syria is another wake-up call for Ukraine. Not that Ukraine needs any more reminders. Trump made it clear in numerous ways that he does not stand up to dictators, human rights abusers and bullies.

He said directly to President Volodymyr Zelensky, in their September press conference during the United Nations General Assembly, that the Ukrainian leader should meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin and “sort out their problems.” It’s like sending the victim back to the abuser.
Trump’s July 25 phone call with Zelensky, now the subject of an impeachment inquiry, also showed that the American president doesn’t care about Ukraine’s security, but only what he can get from other foreign leaders to benefit him politically or financially.

After the abrupt withdrawal of U.S. forces, many Kurds felt they were left with a terrible choice, reminiscent of Ukrainians who had to choose between Hitler or Stalin: Get slaughtered by Turkey, which considers many of them terrorists, or make a deal with the war criminal Bashar al-Assad. They chose the Syrian dictator.

Ukraine is in a different and better position. It has its own nation, unlike the Kurds, and plenty of people willing to fight for it. It needs a lot more help from the West to prevail in this war. But Trump and the European Union have shown that Ukraine shouldn’t expect much from them. Ukraine is going to have to win this war mostly on its own, until voters in Western nations start electing politicians with greater courage and stronger moral principles to fight for a global expansion of democracy.

Profile Information

Gender: Do not display
Member since: 2001
Number of posts: 111,079

About kentuck

This land is your land; This land is my land.
Latest Discussions»kentuck's Journal