It is not up to the politicians to save this country - it is up to the American people.

If we lose our democracy, if we are living in a dictatorship, then the people have no one to blame but themselves.

They have had all the information put in front of them. They have seen their choices very clearly. The facts can be easily found. If they permit themselves to be tricked into believing all the propaganda, that is their fault. If they are suckered into following a cult, that is on them.

Politicians demonize the other side. That is what politicians do. In the end, we have to choose and vote for what we think is best for the country. If we choose to follow a lie, it will not end well. Sometimes the choices suck, but we have to make a choice.

It is not a trivial matter. We all have to live with our decisions.

Only the future of America is at stake.

What if the only way to save America from the Fascists was a Conservative/Liberal coalition...?

...of conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats, would you accept that?

What if the Democrats cannot defeat this fascist movement by themselves and the conservative Republicans that remain are far out-numbered by the fascists?

What if this was the only way to save the country from the fascists, what would you do? Would you hold dearly to present position?

Because this may be the only way to defeat this movement? I know this is unthinkable for most people here, although I think much more acceptable to most Americans.

This is just my opinion but I believe we should begin to use our heads for something other than a hatrack.

What if the only way to defeat this fascist movement is for Americans, Democrats and Republicans and Independents to unite as an opposing movement. It would not be easily accomplished but it may be the last hope for our democracy?

We will know much more after the mid-term elections in November.

Republicans are finally having a come-to-Jesus moment...

Every other time that Trump committed a crime, they were able to lie or excuse their way out of it.

But this time is different. They don't know what the DOJ is holding?

They would like to think their guy would never do such a thing but they know better.

This time it will not be possible to cover up for the criminal acts. He may have stolen top secret documents? He may be guilty of espionage? They know he is capable of such acts. It would be suicide to tie your wagon to that star.

So they are in a different position than when they were defending him in the impeachments and even after he attacked our Capitol with his mob. This time, the evidence may be too strong and too damning to defend?

So, Republicans have a tough decision to make. Do they support the traitor and cross their fingers and hope nothing comes out before the election? Or do they split from him now and escape the disgrace of defending someone who betrayed our country?

If they had only done the right thing when they had the chance, they would have saved themselves and our country a lot of grief.

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How long had Trump been taking documents to MAL?

Were they all moved just before Joe Biden's inauguration?

Or were some moved much earlier?

It seems like a lot of boxes of documents to get together at the last minute as you were moving out?

Who was checking out the documents and bringing them to Trump? Was he moving the documents from the Oval Office to his living quarters until he would get a good collection and then take them to MAL?

How long were the aides looking in the burn bags for the documents? They knew they were missing and they were looking for them but nobody said anything.

How was the process working?

I see that the DOJ returned the passports to Trump.

I saw it on one of the MSNBC chryons. I guess they were picked up by mistake in the search.

Chuck Rosenberg said that was not uncommon. But they will usually take passports when it is something like a big drug bust and they may anticipate someone attempting to flee the country.

We probably should delete the thread on the other story, from CBS.

Senate Intel wants a "Damage Assessment" of documents at MAL.

Since they have been there for about 20 months, the quick assessment might be that nobody knows how much damage has been done? They might know more once an inventory is done of documents that have been recovered?

Nobody knows if copies may have been made?

Nobody knows who may have seen the documents?

Nobody knows if some of the documents may have been stolen?

Nobody knows, at this time, if some documents may have sold to adversaries?

Personally, I do not see how they can get a reliable damage assessment at this time?

Unless somebody talks...

Did Melania watch the "raid" on CCTV with her husband?

I thought they were living apart?

I wonder if they enjoyed the show?

Can you imagine the conversation?

"Donald, they are looking thru my clothes."

"To hell with your clothes, they are looking thru my safe!"

Joe Scarborough KO's Trump's excuses

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough knocked down Donald Trump's excuses for taking home classified documents to his home at Mar-A-Lago.

"I didn't take the documents, but if I did take the documents, they weren't classified, and if they were classified, then they were planted, and if they weren't, I declassified them, and if I didn't, then it's a hoax," Scarborough said. "If it is not a hoax, Obama did it. He keeps changing, he keeps going through the lies. You know, first, he said he was working and cooperating with government agents, then, when we found out the truth about that, he said the agents planted it. Finally, he started lying -- and you're going to talk about this in a second -- saying he declassified them."

Questions continue to arise about the documents.

The NARA wrangled with Trump for over a year in an attempt to get Trump to return the missing documents. Finally, they went to the DOJ to get a subpoena and then went to retrieve the missing boxes of documents. Trump gave them 15 boxes of documents and he thought that was the end of the story.

But "someone" informed the DOJ that there were still boxes of documents left at Mar-a-Lago. So the FBI sent a couple of guys down to verify the story and discovered that it was true. They requested that Trump put a padlock on the door in the basement.

Two months later, the FBI showed up with a team to search the premises and to seize all documents not belonging to Donald J Trump. And we are here today.

But many questions are still unanswered. How did Trump get the documents into the boxes? Who assisted him? How many people knew about the documents? Where did he hide them before they were moved to MAL? How did he get them out of the White House unnoticed?

Even bigger questions: Did he lose any of the documents? Or did he sell any of the documents to a third party?

The American people need answers.