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"libral(sic) moran".
OMG!!!!! Just, OMG!!!!!
Interesting observation. Welcome to DU!
Yeah, it's fun to vent. But deep-down, it does really start to make one wonder about our fellow man (and woman as well, of course). That they could be THAT poorly informed - oh yeah, and you forgot "Communist" in that litany there. That they could be THAT unChristian. That they could be THAT racist - that racism of that level of virulence still exists in this country in the 21st Century. It's such a horrid thought that one automatically wants to resist it and assert that it's not true. That it can't be true. I find myself sometimes mumbling - "is THIS who we are? Is THIS what we've become?"
Maybe with a few it might be peer pressure at work. If you sit in church every Sunday and hear the preacher pound on from the pulpit about the evils of liberalism and you-better-vote-for-wrongney-if-you-value-your-immortal-soul, and you're surrounded by it - would you feel combative and eager to go on defense (or offense) a lot of the time? Or would you just kinda sit or stand by quietly and just not say anything. Would you start feeling depressed, and worn down? Would your conscience start bothering you? Would it start making you uncomfortable to be surrounded by shit-spew like that all the time? If you lived in a blood-red state, or as CONservative a neighborhood or community or part of town, if your boss ran limbaugh on the office radio system all the time, or your office TV was set and glued to Pox Noise?
Might be something that would, indeed, eventually drive a few to start examining their consciences. Or at least to a reality check. If you finally decide to suspend your Pox-Noise-indoctrinated disbelief long enough to accept the astoundingly large number of facts supporting the other side. Certainly that could happen. I doubt it will happen with hoards of 'em. After all - NOBODY likes having to admit they were wrong, much less having to concede that THEIR "bad guy" was correct all along, or genuinely helped them or someone they cared about. When it's supposed to be YOUR side that does all the good things because it talked about extreme Christianity all the time, but it winds up that the more generous and compassionate and truly Christ-like behavior is what you find on your opponents' side. That's hard to accept, for some. Mighty hard. Look how hard it is to get a sincere apology out of public figures of any kind these days. They have to have societal or financial or public relations "guns" to their heads sometimes.
But to try to step beyond the partisanship when you're practically drowning in it - it takes a true adult to do that. And most people I think have decided that acting infantile is a much more comfortable fit.
Most informative! I did not know what the Schedule II, III, IV, or V drugs were.
This is probably gonna be a tough one to win. The winds are not yet completely at our backs on this one, I don't think. HOWEVER, I think this could eventually go toward more liberalization. My husband and I were just talking about this and I read the article to him and he thinks it may happen within our lifetimes. He's in his early 60s and I'm in my late 50s.
I do think, though, that there's a gradual mellowing we are going to see as our kids' generation starts to mature and then take over. Our two kids are in their early 20s. And my husband and I were just talking about how - we don't know ANYBODY their age who has a hangup about gays, for example. I said I thought that while this marijuana prohibition might not start loosening soon, I thought the first serious change and improvement in ridiculous attitudes and positions and policies would be toward gays. And I do. I think as our kids' generation ages, the prejudice against gays is gonna start melting away. Seriously, they in that age group just do not understand what all the fuss is about, here. Neither of us knows anybody their age who thinks gays are something terrible or that gays are going to Hell or something.
It's because they all know gay people. They know gay peers, fellow students, elders, neighbors, friends, acquaintances, and relatives of all of the above. It's no big deal to them. Every one of them, and everyone else we know in our own age groups - knows at least one person who came out, either a friend or relative or somebody else in their general orbit. As our 23-year-old daughter likes to say in a dry, bored, mildly-annoyed tone of voice - "no one cares." The same, I think, holds true with mixed-race families and mixed-culture families. Immigration too. Eventually, more open-mindedness starts to out-number the closed-mindedness as the older generation, set in its ways and reluctant to change, starts to die off.
I don't know how soon the stringent marijuana restrictions will relax along with other attitudes and obsolete taboos. But then again, I can't think of anybody in that younger-age pool I just described above who doesn't smoke it at least occasionally, either. Perhaps it's inevitable, too? Eventually? Maybe?
Welcome to DU, BelieveMe3! Good work there! I might also suggest taking your business to a local
ma 'n' pa donut shop or bakery. Better than some big corporate chain, that's probably owned by Bain.
My bank used to have Pox Noise playing on its in-branch monitors. I complained several times - to the teller who helped me and to the manager at the far end of the room at one of the business desks. I'm a retired journalist. Their brand of alleged "journalism" offends me deeply!!!
Eventually they changed it to CNBC. Then I went in and thanked them, saying it was noticed and appreciated.
Sometimes it really does make a difference to complain. ESPECIALLY if you're a regular customer. Times are still tough. They don't DARE wanna piss off anybody and risk losing a customer. It's not a risk that too many of them can afford to take anymore.
I ALWAYS complain.
NEVER be afraid to complain. Sometimes they just didn't think it through before you brought something offensive like that to their attention, or it simply didn't occur to them. And if they're assholes and don't comply, then at least you've let them know that this is greatly displeasing to YOU, THEIR CUSTOMER, and that not everybody they hope to serve will appreciate this shit. Whether they appreciate your opinion or not, they STILL appreciate your coming in and spending your money. What if you stopped?
If they think you don't care, THEY WON'T EITHER!!!!
Welcome to DU, cornelia!
Glad you're here!
ALSO - you have to be careful how you answer some of these poll questions because of the way those answers are likely to be interpreted. Biggest example I can think of is the right direction/wrong track question - "do you think America is going in the right direction, or are we headed down the wrong track?" My honest answer would be "wrong track" BECAUSE of shit like the teabaggers and the racists and the birthers and CONservative media like Pox Noise and limbaugh, and the near worship of assholes like mitt wrongney and lyin' ryan. HOWEVER, I know full well that this answer would be assigned to the "it's because of Obama" position. So ANY time I'm surveyed, I always answer strategically. Always - while a Democrat is in the White House - it's "right direction." ALWAYS - when the bad guys are in there - it's "wrong track."
It is VERY shrewd to try to determine whose poll this is, who's behind it, and/or who's paying for it, so you can understand the agenda at work under the surface of that poll. ALWAYS be on the alert that way. ALWAYS look for the ulterior motive - in the way these leading questions are worded, the very names of the organizations can be tell-tale if they have the words "liberty" or "Americans" or "Fairness" or "Citizens" or "family"- anything. It's usually a stealth republi-CON or CONservative outfit trying to build some usable metrics.
Such damn stupid, superficial, sneaky-ass shit. BUT WE HAVE TO THINK IN THOSE TERMS NOWADAYS!!!!! We just HAVE TO!!!! That's because the enemy does business this way, and we have to know and understand the enemy in order to be able to outwit and out-maneuver them - and of course, beat the livin' shit outta them on Election Day.
ALWAYS THINK DEVIOUSLY! It's what the other side does, always.
World's Biggest Entitlement Program - at work! The GOP's presumption that republi-CONS alone are
entitled to rule. Why? Simply BECAUSE! They all speak and behave and conduct themselves and treat others with that elitism that reeks of entitlement. They just assume the White House, the Oval Office, the State House, the Senate and House, anywhere that rulers are supposed to be - THEY are supposed to be. It's their due and their birthright. They simply belong on the throne (and I'm NOT talking toilets, at least in THIS case) because they're meant to be there. Born to it! And besides, they're also better than the rest of us and just simply more entitled to it, anyway.
Meanwhile, the rest of us clearly understand that these assholes aren't entitled to ANYTHING more than any of the rest of us are entitled to! They're the ones who don't, because they don't think they have to.
That's where you get that smug, snooty, patronizing, holier-than-thou attitude that fuels that opportunistic, imperialistic American Exceptionalism bullshit.
That's where you get the overriding "It's OK if you're a republi-CON" attitude.
That's where you get the "those rules don't apply to MOI!" belief system. Especially when they've managed over the past 30 years or so to fuse this with the religious extremist "Christianists" - so they then also believe that what they have is not simply the right to rule, but rather a DIVINE right to rule, because God is supposedly on their side.
It may be fine in some systems, like feudalism of old, but it's incompatible with what many of them ironically insist quite loudly that they believe in: a democracy, or even a democratic republic.
Welcome to DU, Don Draper!
It's truly stunning, isn't it? That's one of the first things that comes to my mind when I look at some of the dreadful, and downright disgraceful "representation" that weaseled its way into Congress a couple of years ago. What pops into my mind is "who the HELL votes for proudly ignorant assholes like this??? This shit is okay with them??? Seriously???" And you're correct - they truly do have no intention of ever changing. The "I know what I know" types. Sometimes you know you've drawn blood in arguments with them when they only idiocy they can muster as a comeback is "well, I don't know..." But don't think for a minute you started them thinking, truly thinking about anything you just said to set the record straight. Their minds will stay resolutely and defiantly unchanged.
Galling isn't it? Glad you're here. We need you. This thing isn't nailed down yet.
Now get to work.
And an absolute think tank!
It's a fabulous resource for commiserating, venting, a community exchange, buoying each other up. It's a fabulous resource for eloquent writing and meticulous and wide-ranging research, that gives you everything from detailed rebuttals (frequently including links to back up the arguments) and think pieces to quickie slogans, talking points, and bumper-sticker fodder. It's a fabulous resource for strategizing and ground-gaming and motivation, and DU people tend to be, and become, very well informed.
Plus, consider all the input we have here from the galaxy of different professions, backgrounds, and varieties of expertise that are represented here, from academics to Zionists. There are people of every age, every era, every race, every culture, multiple countries, multiple languages, multiple religions, civilians and veterans, current active-duty folks and military families. There are office-holders, scientists, business people, medical people, writers, artists, teachers, brokers, lawyers, craftspeople, students, immigrants, magistrates, spiritualists, atheists, performers, organizers, activists, journalists and bloggers, gays, students, the elderly, the bereaved, the divorced, the sick, the disabled, parents, historians, AND more. Elizabeth Edwards used to post here. And you know a lot of other people check in here.
I'm so proud to be a DUer and grateful for all the other DUers who've suffered me over the years here! It's my favorite must-see, every day, political or otherwise. Except of course the Facebook page for my son's band, which I check multiple times a day! (www.facebook.com/acidicband - SHAMELESS plug! Sorry...)
"Oh now you're Jack Kennedy."
Another of many "THAT is how it's done" moments!
And there was a much better moderator this time, also.
FUCK kkkarl rove!!!! Just FUCK him. And NOT in the amorous way, either!
I long for the day when he finally gets his total comeuppance. My fear is that it will never come.
What I REALLY love about this debate is that that little punk pipsqueak has NO second debate to be able to rehabilitate himself. Obama has that chance, thank goodness - TWO more chances to readjust things and get his mojo back. But ryan's cake is baked on this one. He doesn't get another round to fix some things. He has to stand on this.
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to live to see kkkarl rove pay. I want to see him pay. I want to see him pay for Valerie Plame. I want to see him pay for george w bush. I want to see him pay for Citizens United. I want to see him pay for EVERY snarky remark he EVER made on Pox Noise.
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