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September 4, 2013
More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
i.e. John Kerry
Ok... All Of A Sudden (Re: Syria) NOBODY Brings Up Godwin's Law ??? ... Well...
The law is sometimes invoked, as a rule, to mark the end of a discussion when a Nazi analogy is made, with the writer who made the analogy being considered to have lost the argument.
More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
i.e. John Kerry
September 4, 2013
At least give it the Intro... it truly relates to today.
If You Truly Think... That Our Government Has Been Forthcomig On Syria... I Dare Ya...
To Watch This !!! Particularily at the :58 sec mark...At least give it the Intro... it truly relates to today.
September 4, 2013
Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073802/quotes
Trailer:
Back To Our Future... Once Again... Please Press... Play (2.25 min long)...
From: Three Days Of The Condor
Higgins: It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. Maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?
Joe Turner: Ask them?
Higgins: Not now - then! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!
Joe Turner: Ask them?
Higgins: Not now - then! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!
Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073802/quotes
Trailer:
September 4, 2013
By Scott Kaufman - RawStory
Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:23 EDT
<snip>
Three Muslim teens and one would-be documentarian in New York City were arrested by NYPD officers last Thursday night. Two of the teen girls, Lamis Chapman, 12, and Khalia Wilson, 14, were playing handball in their neighborhood at 9:30 p.m. when police asked them for identification.
“They said they asked for ID,” Wilson told the Daily News. “But I didn’t hear them.”
When the teens didn’t respond, one of the officers put Wilson in a chokehold, while his female partner threw Chapman to the ground. Once the pair were restrained, police allegedly removed their hijabs, or Muslim headscarves.
Wilson told the Daily News that she implored the officers to stop: “I kept saying, ‘I’m 14! What are you doing? We’re not bad kids.’”
The girls’ brother, Shytike Wilson, saw the crowd gathering around them from his apartment window and arrived at the scene at the same time as police reinforcements. “I asked them why my sisters were in handcuffs,” he told the Daily News. “They charged me, picked me up, and slammed me on the floor.”
A college student, Jonathan Harris, heard screaming and ran into the park. When he started to record the officers at the scene, he too was accosted. “Come here, you little motherf***er. You like recording?” the cop said, according to Harris.
He tried to run away, but was tackled by one of the newly arrived officers...
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More: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/03/nypd-strip-hijabs-from-muslim-sisters-in-bronx-park/
More: https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=Lamis+Chapman++Khalia+Wilson
This Will Only Get Worse... Aren't We Proud ???
NYPD strip hijabs from Muslim sisters in Bronx parkBy Scott Kaufman - RawStory
Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:23 EDT
<snip>
Three Muslim teens and one would-be documentarian in New York City were arrested by NYPD officers last Thursday night. Two of the teen girls, Lamis Chapman, 12, and Khalia Wilson, 14, were playing handball in their neighborhood at 9:30 p.m. when police asked them for identification.
“They said they asked for ID,” Wilson told the Daily News. “But I didn’t hear them.”
When the teens didn’t respond, one of the officers put Wilson in a chokehold, while his female partner threw Chapman to the ground. Once the pair were restrained, police allegedly removed their hijabs, or Muslim headscarves.
Wilson told the Daily News that she implored the officers to stop: “I kept saying, ‘I’m 14! What are you doing? We’re not bad kids.’”
The girls’ brother, Shytike Wilson, saw the crowd gathering around them from his apartment window and arrived at the scene at the same time as police reinforcements. “I asked them why my sisters were in handcuffs,” he told the Daily News. “They charged me, picked me up, and slammed me on the floor.”
A college student, Jonathan Harris, heard screaming and ran into the park. When he started to record the officers at the scene, he too was accosted. “Come here, you little motherf***er. You like recording?” the cop said, according to Harris.
He tried to run away, but was tackled by one of the newly arrived officers...
<snip>
More: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/03/nypd-strip-hijabs-from-muslim-sisters-in-bronx-park/
More: https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=Lamis+Chapman++Khalia+Wilson
September 4, 2013
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022542300
They seem to be in conflict.
Um... There Are Certain Subjects That We Cannot Discuss In GD... Is That About To Change ???
Re: Syrian ConflictStatement of Purpose for the General Discussion forum:
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022542300
They seem to be in conflict.
September 3, 2013
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022542300
Um... There Are Certain Subjects That We Cannot Discuss In GD... Is That About To Change ???
Statement of Purpose for the General Discussion forum:
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.
Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022542300
September 3, 2013
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/03/israel-missile-test_n_3859098.html
Oh Lovely... The War Drums Get A Little Louder...
JERUSALEM — Israel says it has carried out a joint missile test with the U.S. in the Mediterranean Sea amid heightened tensions as Washington weighs sea-launched strikes against Syria.
The Defense Ministry said Tuesday that it, together with the U.S. Defense Department, had carried out a "successful test" in the Mediterranean and on an air force base in central Israel.
Russian state-owned news agencies earlier said Russian radar systems had detected two "ballistic objects" fired from the central Mediterranean toward the eastern part of the sea.
The Defense Ministry said Tuesday that it, together with the U.S. Defense Department, had carried out a "successful test" in the Mediterranean and on an air force base in central Israel.
Russian state-owned news agencies earlier said Russian radar systems had detected two "ballistic objects" fired from the central Mediterranean toward the eastern part of the sea.
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/03/israel-missile-test_n_3859098.html
September 2, 2013
By Daniel Arkin, Staff Writer, NBC News
9/2/13
Link: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/02/20294414-the-middle-east-is-a-powder-keg-and-the-fire-is-approaching-assad-says-west-has-no-proof-regime-carried-out-chem-attack?lite
Well... Assad Just Went There: "The Middle East is a powder keg, and the fire is approaching'
'The Middle East is a powder keg, and the fire is approaching': Assad says West has no proof regime carried out chem attackBy Daniel Arkin, Staff Writer, NBC News
9/2/13
Link: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/02/20294414-the-middle-east-is-a-powder-keg-and-the-fire-is-approaching-assad-says-west-has-no-proof-regime-carried-out-chem-attack?lite
September 2, 2013
Link: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2013/08/31/sen-graham-pres-obama-has-mishandled-syria-badly-he-could-chickens-have-come-home-roost-l
Sorry For The FAUX NEWS Link, But This Is What You Get As "Support" From Lindsey Graham...
VAN SUSTEREN: Senator, what do you think could possibly be achieved? Here is the situation we're in. You've now told President Assad we're not going to get rid of him, it is going to be a very short duration, there will be no boots on the ground, and so what's our goal? What are we going to achieve if we do missile - if we do cruise missile attacks?
GRAHAM: Nothing but reinforce that we're weak. You nailed it. The president painted himself in a corner in 2012 when he told Assad, you better not use chemical weapons. And the question is, a year later, why would Assad use chemical weapons after being told by Obama not to? In the last year he's used chemical weapons at a low level, Assad has, and we've done nothing.
So in the last year, I think President Obama has convinced radical Islamists that we really don't mean -- that we're not coming their way. After Benghazi, when four Americans were killed, our ambassador was killed, the consulate overrun, no one has been held to account. We sent all the wrong signals, Benghazi, pulling out of Iraq.
So Assad has sized up Obama and he said this, I don't really believe the guy means what he says, and a weak response by the president reinforces a longer war. And the longer this war goes on, the more likely chemical weapons get into the hands of terrorist organizations. The kind of Jordan is likely to fall. Lebanon and Iraq are falling apart because Syria is a cancer.
The president has mishandled this as badly as he could. Quite frankly, the chickens have come home to roost from Obama foreign policy of leading from behind and being passive. So a pinprick strike, giving an aspirin to a person who has cancer, is the worst of all worlds.
GRAHAM: Nothing but reinforce that we're weak. You nailed it. The president painted himself in a corner in 2012 when he told Assad, you better not use chemical weapons. And the question is, a year later, why would Assad use chemical weapons after being told by Obama not to? In the last year he's used chemical weapons at a low level, Assad has, and we've done nothing.
So in the last year, I think President Obama has convinced radical Islamists that we really don't mean -- that we're not coming their way. After Benghazi, when four Americans were killed, our ambassador was killed, the consulate overrun, no one has been held to account. We sent all the wrong signals, Benghazi, pulling out of Iraq.
So Assad has sized up Obama and he said this, I don't really believe the guy means what he says, and a weak response by the president reinforces a longer war. And the longer this war goes on, the more likely chemical weapons get into the hands of terrorist organizations. The kind of Jordan is likely to fall. Lebanon and Iraq are falling apart because Syria is a cancer.
The president has mishandled this as badly as he could. Quite frankly, the chickens have come home to roost from Obama foreign policy of leading from behind and being passive. So a pinprick strike, giving an aspirin to a person who has cancer, is the worst of all worlds.
Link: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2013/08/31/sen-graham-pres-obama-has-mishandled-syria-badly-he-could-chickens-have-come-home-roost-l
September 2, 2013
Obama is asking a jury of safe spectators to press the yes or no button for military strikes. Will they vote for an end to empire?
Jonathan Steele - The Guardian
Sunday 1 September 2013 13.15 EDT
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It is a case of breathtaking arrogance, a call for recognition that the US is not only the world's policeman but the world's enforcer. Obama said he was asking "every member of the global community" to consider what message impotence and inaction in the face of the use of chemical weapons would send to dictators everywhere. With a half-sentence that brushed the United Nations weapons inspectors aside and dismissed the security council for being "completely paralysed", Obama was saying in effect: "We are the empire. Accept us."
The difference between the rival motions that David Cameron and Ed Miliband put to the House of Commons and the one that Obama's people have drafted for Congress is instructive. In Britain the tone was more good Samaritan than good cop, highlighting protection over punishment. Both motions in parliament talked of alleviating the suffering of Syrian civilians and emphasised the principle of humanitarian intervention. Although Cameron and Miliband used dubious legal grounds to try to justify bypassing a veto in the UN security council by saying western military strikes were needed to protect Syrians, Obama's draft resolution only talks of "protecting the United States and its allies and partners", as though there is suddenly a new threat to the wider world.
The president's promise that military strikes on Syria would be limited and narrow is of course welcome. There will be no Baghdad-style shock and awe. For that we can be grateful. But war is still war, and the dangers of unintended consequences, mission creep and cracking on for the sake of cracking on lurk behind every sandhill.
Obama's draft resolution has a short paragraph on the need for a political settlement in Syria and even calls on the Geneva talks process to be resumed urgently. Is it cynical or just naive? Syrian rebels' intransigence and their unwillingness to attend without preconditions are the main reason for the failure of Geneva so far. US military strikes will only embolden them to delay further. The hope of a ceasefire – by far the most reliable and principled mechanism to protect Syrian lives – will recede again.
The best hope lies with the American public. It is not just the futility of eight years of fighting in Iraq, frustration in Afghanistan, the loss of thousands of soldiers' lives and the maiming of tens of thousands more that are causing so much doubt over a US attack on Syria now. Nor is it only the financial cost of war in an era of austerity. There is a growing sense that the problem goes beyond imperial overstretch. The very concept of empire is under scrutiny. Twenty years ago, Americans were proud to be the world's hyper-power. They felt they had won a great victory in the cold war. Now they see the pit into which that end-of-history triumphalism has led them. The US military-industrial complex and the power elite in Washington are feeling unusually uncomfortable. Even as pilotless drones and missiles have the potential to usher in an age of US casualty-free interventions, Obama is trying to summon Americans to take up a punitive role yet again. The next few days of national debate will be crucial, and in a week's time we will see which button they press.
<snip>
More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/01/us-public-doubts-attacking-syria
If You've Had Your Fill Of American Empire (I Know I Have)... This Editorial Is For You...
Syria: the US public faces a grim reality TV choiceObama is asking a jury of safe spectators to press the yes or no button for military strikes. Will they vote for an end to empire?
Jonathan Steele - The Guardian
Sunday 1 September 2013 13.15 EDT
<snip>
...
...
...
It is a case of breathtaking arrogance, a call for recognition that the US is not only the world's policeman but the world's enforcer. Obama said he was asking "every member of the global community" to consider what message impotence and inaction in the face of the use of chemical weapons would send to dictators everywhere. With a half-sentence that brushed the United Nations weapons inspectors aside and dismissed the security council for being "completely paralysed", Obama was saying in effect: "We are the empire. Accept us."
The difference between the rival motions that David Cameron and Ed Miliband put to the House of Commons and the one that Obama's people have drafted for Congress is instructive. In Britain the tone was more good Samaritan than good cop, highlighting protection over punishment. Both motions in parliament talked of alleviating the suffering of Syrian civilians and emphasised the principle of humanitarian intervention. Although Cameron and Miliband used dubious legal grounds to try to justify bypassing a veto in the UN security council by saying western military strikes were needed to protect Syrians, Obama's draft resolution only talks of "protecting the United States and its allies and partners", as though there is suddenly a new threat to the wider world.
The president's promise that military strikes on Syria would be limited and narrow is of course welcome. There will be no Baghdad-style shock and awe. For that we can be grateful. But war is still war, and the dangers of unintended consequences, mission creep and cracking on for the sake of cracking on lurk behind every sandhill.
Obama's draft resolution has a short paragraph on the need for a political settlement in Syria and even calls on the Geneva talks process to be resumed urgently. Is it cynical or just naive? Syrian rebels' intransigence and their unwillingness to attend without preconditions are the main reason for the failure of Geneva so far. US military strikes will only embolden them to delay further. The hope of a ceasefire – by far the most reliable and principled mechanism to protect Syrian lives – will recede again.
The best hope lies with the American public. It is not just the futility of eight years of fighting in Iraq, frustration in Afghanistan, the loss of thousands of soldiers' lives and the maiming of tens of thousands more that are causing so much doubt over a US attack on Syria now. Nor is it only the financial cost of war in an era of austerity. There is a growing sense that the problem goes beyond imperial overstretch. The very concept of empire is under scrutiny. Twenty years ago, Americans were proud to be the world's hyper-power. They felt they had won a great victory in the cold war. Now they see the pit into which that end-of-history triumphalism has led them. The US military-industrial complex and the power elite in Washington are feeling unusually uncomfortable. Even as pilotless drones and missiles have the potential to usher in an age of US casualty-free interventions, Obama is trying to summon Americans to take up a punitive role yet again. The next few days of national debate will be crucial, and in a week's time we will see which button they press.
<snip>
More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/01/us-public-doubts-attacking-syria
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