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March 19, 2020

Spraying down the streets may do more harm than good.

Does disinfecting surfaces really prevent the spread of coronavirus? MAR12
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/does-disinfecting-surfaces-really-prevent-spread-coronavirus

So, what about outdoors? According to a variety of local news reports from cities including Shanghai and Gwangju, South Korea, the disinfectant most commonly used outdoors is a diluted solution of sodium hypochlorite, or household bleach. But it’s unclear whether bleach destroys coronaviruses outside, and if it does kill them on surfaces it's unclear whether it would kill viruses in the air. Bleach itself breaks down under ultraviolet (UV) light. Then again, Leon says, UV light seems to destroy coronaviruses as well. And coronavirus exposure from outdoor surfaces may be limited already: “Nobody goes around licking sidewalks or trees,” Leon says.

There may even be downsides to widespread overzealous disinfection with bleach, notes Julia Silva Sobolik, a graduate student in Leon’s lab. “Bleach is highly irritating to mucous membranes,” Sobolik says. That means people exposed to sprayed disinfectants—especially the workers who spray them—are at risk of respiratory troubles, among other ailments. Sobolik notes that an October 2019 study in JAMA Network Open found that nurses who regularly used disinfectants to clean surfaces were at higher risk of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. A 2017 study linked exposure to disinfectants to asthma to adults in Germany. Both of those studies dealt with yearslong exposure to disinfectants. Still, the message seems to be taking hold. In a recent television broadcast by state CCTV in China, Zhang Liubo, a researcher with China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the public that, “Outdoor surfaces, such as roads, squares, lawns, should not be sprayed with disinfectants repeatedly. … Spraying disinfectants over a large area and repeatedly may cause environmental pollution and should be avoided.
March 19, 2020

My god, this is so unfair to the medical professionals we are depending on.

It's so unfair to everyone. Why isn't someone talking about re-purposing a factory or two to deal with this? Masks will still be needed months from now, so we need to quit ordering them and start making them.

eta- oh, look! jobs!

March 19, 2020

Burr's party loyalty will be directly responsible for deaths that could have been prevented.

Trump and all of the toadies who knew better but still went along with the "nothing to see here" strategy for as long as possible really should be brought up on charges. I include anyone over at FOX in the list. It's not just gotcha politics, it's not just a breach of ethics, it's a deliberate contribution to destruction of public safety that will cause more people to die.

There's no excuse. None.

March 19, 2020

China is using UV light to clean public transport

https://www.france24.com/en/20200313-on-mission-to-eradicate-virus-germs-china-firms-see-the-uv-light

With around 1,000 buses needing disinfection daily, the UV system has reduced the amount of staff overtime and manpower needed for regular public transport disinfection.

The World Health Organization has cautioned that UV lamps should not be used to sterilise hands or other areas of skin -- as UV radiation can cause skin irritation -- but Qin said the chambers are closed off and activated by staff outside.

Health experts told AFP that UV light is not typically used to disinfect public areas, but can be effective if done right.

Paul Tambyah, president of the Asia Pacific Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infection, said UV disinfection is effective but needs to be used with care as the light can cause skin cancer.

"UV disinfection is widely used in hospitals worldwide after patients have left a room," he said. "This is used for antimicrobial resistant pathogens, tuberculosis and other infectious agents."


eta--There's more discussion further in the article about research into using'far-UVC for disinfecting the skin since it's thought not to penetrate skin/eyes enough to cause cancer or cataracts. So yes, it's a thing.
March 19, 2020

Ouch. He won't be the only one. [He isn't - Mario Diaz Balart, R-FL]

Congress have got to figure out a way to gather and govern electronically. Otherwise, there's going to be a crisis as deaths occur. I don't want any of them to die, but it looks likely. This is not good.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/congressman-ben-mcadams-coronavirus/
https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/mario-diaz-balart-positive-coronavirus/

March 18, 2020

Three Mile Island, Mount St. Helens - Carter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident
I am so glad that a Democrat, and one educated and intelligent enough to understand the situation, was in charge then. He handled it very well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_St._Helens
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/03/160320-mount-st-helens-eruption-logging-volcano-olson-ngbooktalk/
He didn't handle this one quite as well by being a bit heavy handed in victim blaming. Still, given the unusual nature and scope of a volcano eruption, I give him a bit of a pass on this one.
March 18, 2020

I know my phone call (and calls from others) probably didn't matter a bunch in the end,

but it kinda feels like it did. My Senators (GA, both R) usually let me down every time. It's nice not seeing their names on the list for a change.

March 18, 2020

This is underlining why our current for-profit health care model is impractical and immoral

Ants in my eyes Adam
@adamfry901
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Replying to
@yashar
Again, why do we have the most expensive medical care/insurance in the world and we cant even provide basic supplies to our hospitals??

Janice Badger Nelson
@JNelsonRN
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Because hospitals have had to cut back budgets because of big insurance and their low reimbursement to hospitals.

March 18, 2020

Agreed! Thank you.

There are not enough tests partly because trump* and co have held back on options that don't involve a personal profit margin for them and for their cronies. If the current administration really gave a damn, every pertinent lab and med school would be given encouragement, including funds, to develop the most effective tests and treatments they possibly could. The needed infrastructure for manufacture would be spooling up right now. An emphasis on public health and national security would be taking heavy precedence in all messaging, to the point that anti-gouging and any talk of profit in addressing this pandemic would be outlawed and scorned.

It would take time, but it could and should be done. Testing is needed, and it does matter.

Aggressive testing helps Italian town cut new coronavirus cases to zero

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