Octafish
Octafish's Journal''...all these persons direct their solutions against the man, not against his argument.''
-- Aristotle, On Sophistry
http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/sophist_refut.3.3.html
''They massacred my boy.''
Is what that guy said about Sonny.
In real life, the feeling is the exact same: Nothing in the world will bring back the infinity that was lost -- for family, friends and everyone -- when the pilot in that photo died.
I can't. So what?
Stating something like that on a thread like this makes me think a poster like you only serves disinformationists.
The Warrant Report (sic)
From someone much smarter and better educated than I can ever be, thanks to birth and probation:
The Warrant Report
Tim Madigan on the philosophers who investigated the Kennedy assassination.
EXCERPT...
It is a remarkable fact that three of the earliest and most influential critics of the Warren Report were professional philosophers Bertrand Russell, Richard Popkin and Josiah Thompson. Russell, who was 91 years old at the time of the shooting, was one of the first prominent individuals to raise serious questions about the report, even before it was completed. In early 1964 he helped organize the Who Killed Kennedy Committee, and befriended attorney Mark Lane, author of the first major critique of the Warren Report, Rush to Judgment. Writing from his home in Wales and guided by Lanes investigations, Russell issued his Sixteen Questions on the Assassination a few weeks before the Report came out. Raising doubts about the impartiality, credibility and competency of the Commission, he pointed out that all of its members who were appointed directly by President Lyndon Johnson were deeply connected with the Washington establishment, especially its secretive investigative agencies, the CIA and the FBI. Some of the Commission could be suspected of having a vested interest in covering up uncomfortable facts about their own strained relations with the late president. For instance, Commission member Allen Dulles, former head of the CIA, had been fired by Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961. Not a single Commissioner, Russell asserted, would have been accepted as an impartial member of a jury if Oswald had been tried (a moot point after Oswalds own murder by Jack Ruby a few days after the JFK shooting). Russell also raised questions about the fact that several people in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination had claimed to hear bullets being fired from in front of the President. Such claims were dismissed by the Commissioners, who seemed dedicated to proving that all bullets had been fired solely by Oswald, from behind the presidential motorcade. While accepting the well-known point that witness testimony is often unreliable, Russell nonetheless expressed his worries that the Commissioners were so eager to prove Oswald was the lone gunman that they ignored evidence contradicting this. Most of all, Russell asked why the Reports conclusion was known well before the investigation was completed. This seemed to go against all the proper methods of truth-gathering and rules of logic, and looked more like an attempt to make the premises fit the conclusion rather than having the conclusion follow from the premises.
Shortly after the Warren Report was issued, Richard Popkin, then a Professor of Philosophy at the University of California at San Diego, wrote a highly influential article for the New York Review of Books entitled The Second Oswald: The Case for a Conspiracy Theory (later expanded into a book). Popkin argued that if one used just the Warren Report as evidence, then one must necessarily conclude that there had to have been at least two Lee Harvey Oswalds for all the various details of the Report to make sense. The governments own case for a lone gunman contradicted itself.
Popkin admitted that reading all 26 volumes of the report was a daunting task especially as at the time there was no index for the work but it was a labour he was up to. Popkin was noted for his encyclopedic memory, his ability to put together disparate facts (as witnessed by his investigative work in the history of ideas, which detailed previously unknown connections between various Sixteenth Century theologians and philosophers) and his dogged pursuit of problems. Popkin, a student of Skepticism, basically cast a skeptical eye on the purported solid evidence offered by the Warren Commission to prove that there was no conspiracy. If there was more than one Lee Harvey Oswald who was at more than one place simultaneously, or more than one person purporting to be Oswald, then there had to be a conspiracy. Thus, the Warren Report proved the very opposite of its own conclusion.
SNIP...
Here lies the continuing epistemological nightmare of the Kennedy shooting. Will we ever know what actually happened that day? There have recently been Warren Report defenders such as Gerald Posner (Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK, 1994) and Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor of the Manson family, who just published Reclaiming History: the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (2007), a 1,632 page book in which Bugliosi painstakingly attempts to answer every criticism of the Report. But there remains something deeply unsatisfactory about the Report. Whether because of the shoddy nature of the Commissions investigations, the uncertainties and contradictions of the eyewitness interviews, the ulterior motives of the Commissioners and their aides, or other more controversial reasons, the very public murder of President Kennedy continues to nag at our collective consciousness. The trail grows colder, but questions remain questions initially raised by three devoted professional truth seekers.
SOURCE: https://philosophynow.org/issues/66/The_Warrant_Report
Now, that's the logical -- the philosophical -- perspective. What the author doesn't bring up is the information that Allen Dulles withheld from the Warren Commission, specifically the Mafia-CIA plots to assassinate Castro. Going from what we've learned since 1963 and the Warren Report in 1964, Dulles and CIA actions have more than a potential bearing on the case. They also are proof of obstruction of justice.
Guy is working to divert discussion of conspiracy involving secret US agencies.
The great DUer MinM found what John Newman wrote on Facebook regarding Mr. Shenon:
Shenons latest piece in Politico (Yes the CIA Director was Part of the JFK Assassination Coverup) is a continuation of the newest stagebegun in 2013of the propaganda campaign to convince Americans that Robert Kennedy got his brother John killed and then worked to cover it up. The genesis of this new stage was a call from a Warren Commission lawyer to Shenon, who then fed Shenon and used him as the mouthpiece for this outrageous scheme. The Castro-did-it propaganda was part of the true coverup of the plot to kill JFK, and it was in play even before the shots were fired in Dallas. But I knew when I read Shenons 2015 paper edition of his book, A Cruel and Shocking Act, that we would be facing a newer, carefully orchestrated campaign to stick it to the Kennedys right at the time when the battle lines are being drawn to force the releaseas required by the JFK Records Actof the remaining JFK records by October 2017. Now, Shenon takes a recently released internal CIA analysis (which also dates to 2013) about DCI McCone blocking the CIAs anti-Castro plots from the Warren Commission, and uses it to bolster his (Shenons) baleful version of history. I will comment on that (David Robarges) analysis after thoroughly reading it. Shenons Politico piece ends by restating a myth he hopes to make stick: that President Johnson appointed former DCI Allen Dulles to the Warren Commission at the recommendation of then Attorney General Robert Kennedy. I will hold back here on commenting about this fabrication because David Talbots new book, The Devils Chessboard, (to be released next week) so thoroughly (pp. 572-574) demolishes it
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22318
So the NEW issue isn't what Robert F. Kennedy thought of the Warren Commission ("shoddy workmanship" , rather it's "RFK recommended Dulles for the Warren Commission to protect RFK's role in CIA-Mafia assassination plots."
Professional Grade Information Management, evident when considering CIA hired Mafia in 1960 when Eisenhower was president.
Time goes by fast.
That's the problem:
A blink of an eye.
NPR wants a younger audience, do real news, not propaganda.
Thank you, CaliforniaPeggy! Did you read what Prescott Bush wrote to Clover Dulles?
Intriguing history on the Bush connection from one of the nation's best known political science professors, Larry J. Sabato, author of "The Kennedy Half-Century: The Presidency, Assassination, and Lasting Legacy of John F. Kennedy," in April 1969, Prescott Bush wrote Clover Dulles:
SOURCE p. 368 online:
https://books.google.com/books?id=X7OnBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA368&lpg=PA368&dq=john+mccone+%2B+prescott+bush&source=bl&ots=dJAjiC_h6D&sig=fkfjmBYhc8KD3Relu4Vc93mEyCo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBmoVChMInOeZgovAyAIVBpiACh0JnAxi#v=onepage&q=john%20mccone%20%2B%20prescott%20bush&f=false
Clearly shows how the players, like the aspens, look like a forest of individual trees above ground, but really are connected by their roots underground.
BFEE owed E. Howard Hunt.
Nixon's puppetmasters, Sen. Prescott Bush and Baron Rothschild, share a moment and some official looking information.
Big Time.
JFK worked to keep peace, bring prosperity for all. Others since 22 Nov 1963, not so much.
For most of the last 52 years -- from Vietnam to Afghanistan, from Somalia to El Salvador and elsewhere -- money trumps peace. The ENEMIES of JFK and Democracy now use their wealth to gain power and use power to protect their wealth and position, just like in feudal days. It is especially evident when you consider the rich, warmongers, and the traitors who lie America into war are above the law and are never held to account.
If Americans don't see that, they need to read more. Television isn't bringing it up, nor do the trolls online.
Plotters got away with a coup d'etat in the USA on 22 Novemer 1963.
Pretend money doesn't trump peace all you want, from Vietnam to Afghanistan, from Somalia to El Salvador and elsewhere. The ENEMIES of JFK -- and Democracy -- now use their wealth to gain power and use power to protect their wealth and position, just like in feudal days. It's evident when you consider the rich are above the law, except when the rich get ripped off by a rich person.
If you don't see that, FLPanhandle, you need to read more. Television isn't bringing it up, nor do the trolls online.
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