Fla Dem
Fla Dem's JournalWhen asked if she'd vote for HRC she said..
I think Bernie would probably encourage people [to vote Clinton], because he doesnt have a lot of ego in this, she said. But I think a lot of people are, Sorry, I just cant bring myself to do that. As for herself, I dont know. Im going to see what happens.
Really? an incredulous Hayes asked.
Some people feel Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately, she replied.
Hayes accused her of adopting the Leninist model of heighten the contradictions, and she happily agreed. Isnt that dangerous, he wondered?
If you think its pragmatic to shore up the status quo right now, then youre not in touch with the status quo, she said.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/susan-sarandon-bernie-sanders/475875/
This approach worked so well for Ralph Nader. What did he ever accomplish except to help Bush be appointed President in 2000, So we ended up with 9/11, the Iraq War, and so many anti-progressive Supreme Court decisions. Elections have consequences. Where was the Great Revolution? Oh sure we had Occupy Wall Street, to what end? What did they accomplish?
Where are all these lefties during the mid-terms. Change starts from the bottom up. OWS would have been better off supporting progressives and getting them elected to local and state positions as assembly people, mayors, state reps, senators and congressmen and governors. That's where you effect change. But that's hard work. If and that's a big if, Bernie gets elected, without the senate and congress working with him NOTHING WILL CHANGE. He'll get the same stonewalling Obama faced for his 8 years.
Bernie is not a compromiser, as evidenced by all the bills he voted against that were 90% laws to help "We the People" but may have had an amendment he didn't like so he voted against.
Also in all his years in congress and the senate, he's introduced a ton of legislation, but only 3 bills were ever passed, 2 were for the naming of Post offices in Vt. So he hasn't really shown an ability to build consensus.
https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D
So Susan Sarandon can call for Revolution all she wants. Didn't happen in 2000 and won't happen in 2016.
By the way, I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. Hopefully he'll make good decisions in nominating Supreme Court Justices.
Primary Schedule. Just think in less than 2 weeks after Super Tuesday (March 1st)
DU will lose many, many Bernie bugs and trolls. Their work will be done here and they will have failed.
Monday, February 1
Iowa caucus (results) 52 D, 30 R Closed
Tuesday, February 9
New Hampshire (results) 32 D, 23 R Mixed
Saturday, February 20
Nevada caucus (D) 43 Closed
South Carolina (R) 50 Open
Tuesday, February 23
Nevada caucus (R) 30 Closed
Saturday, February 27
South Carolina (D) 59 Open
Tuesday, March 1
(Super Tuesday)
Alabama 60 D, 50 R Open
Alaska caucus (R) 28 Closed
American Samoa caucus (D) 10 Open
Arkansas 37 D, 40 R Open
Colorado caucus 79 D, 37 R Closed
Democrats Abroad (Vote March 1 - 8) 17
Georgia 116 D, 76 R Open
Massachusetts 116 D, 42 R Mixed
Minnesota caucus 93 D, 38 R Open
North Dakota caucus (R) 28 Closed
Oklahoma 42 D, 43 R Closed
Tennessee 76 D, 58 R Open
Texas 252 D, 155 R Open
Vermont 26 D, 16 R Open
Virginia 110 D, 49 R Open
Wyoming caucus (R) 29 Closed
Saturday, March 5
Kansas caucus 37 D, 40 R Closed
Kentucky caucus (R) 45 Closed
Louisiana 58 D, 47 R Closed
Maine caucus (R) 23 Closed
Nebraska caucus (D) 30 Closed
Sunday, March 6 Maine caucus (D) 30 Closed
Puerto Rico (R) 23 Open
Tuesday, March 8
Hawaii caucus (R) 19 Closed
Idaho (R) 32 Closed
Michigan 148 D, 59 R Open
Mississippi 41 D, 40 R Open
Democrats Abroad 17 N/A
Saturday, March 12
Guam (R convention) 9 Closed
Northern Marianas caucus (D) 11 Closed
District of Columbia caucus (R) 19 Closed
Tuesday, March 15
Florida 246 D, 99 R Closed
Illinois 182 D, 69 R Open
Missouri 84 D, 52 R Open
North Carolina 121 D, 72 R Mixed
Northern Mariana Islands caucus (R) 9 Closed
Ohio 159 D, 66 R Mixed
http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/#8XfM5uQUwoXOfQU9.99
Clinton's position on immigration. Not sure where you're getting your information.
America needs comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship.Hillary will:
Enact comprehensive immigration reform to create a pathway to citizenship, keep families together, and enable millions of workers to come out of the shadows.
End family detention and close private immigrant detention centers.
Defend President Obamas executive actions to provide deportation relief for DREAMers and parents of Americans and lawful residents, and extend those actions to additional persons with sympathetic cases if Congress refuses to act.
We have to finally and once and for all fix our immigration system this is a family issue, its an economic issue too, but it is at heart a family issue. If we claim we are for family then we have to pull together and resolve the outstanding issues around our broken immigration system. The American people support comprehensive immigration reform not just because its the right thing to doand it isbut because it will strengthen families, strengthen our economy, and strengthen our country. Thats why we cant wait any longer, we cant wait any longer for a path to full and equal citizenship.
HILLARY CLINTON, MAY 5, 2015
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/
Fighting for comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary Clinton has long been an advocate for comprehensive immigration reform. She was one of the two cosponsors of Senator Ted Kennedys 2004 bill, the S.O.L.V.E. Act, and during her time in the Senate she continued to cosponsor and vote for comprehensive immigration reform legislation. As a presidential candidate in 2008, Hillary called for a path to legalization to bring people out of the shadows, and she pledged that, if elected, she would introduce a plan for immigration reform in the first 100 days of her presidency. As Sec. Clinton recently told a tearful young undocumented immigrant, Im a huge supporter of immigration reform and a path to citizenship and will continue to advocate for that.
http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-and-immigration/
The Case for Hillary
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zachary-leven/the-case-for-hillary_b_9201778.htmlTHE BLOG
The Case for Hillary
02/10/2016 11:13 am ET
Zachary Leven
The case for Hillary Clinton is mostly a matter of rebutting the case against her. Once that's done, you're simply left with the most qualified candidate, and someone who is, by all reality-based measures, progressive (ranked the tenth most liberal senator). And just as important, someone who is capable of achieving results (I'll conclude with the case against Sanders, and there's a very, very strong case to make against him).
We'll start with this specific example, which I think is illustrative of the sorts of attacks we see made on Hillary. It begins with this video of an interview with Elizabeth Warren that's been making its rounds on the internet, you may have seen it:
t's worth watching, but I'll summarize. Warren tells a story about the bankruptcy bill initially supported by the Clinton administration in the 1990s. Warren wrote an op-ed opposing the bill on the grounds that it offered deadbeat dads a mechanism for cheating their ex-wives out of child support, along with a few other issues.
After the op-ed was published, Hillary phoned Warren requesting a meeting. They met in private, and Warren proceeded to educate Hillary on this issue. She said that Hillary was a "quick study" and really "got it." Hillary returned to Washington, and by all accounts, single-handedly turned around the administration's support of this legislation. When the bill reached Clinton's desk, he vetoed it.
"The case for Hillary Clinton is mostly a matter of rebutting the case against her. Once that's done, you're simply left with the most qualified candidate..."
So far, this is a glowing account -- everything you would want in a leader. She's engaged, she cares deeply about protecting people, she listens, she's smart, she takes action, and gets results. It's hard to imagine a Republican doing anything like this -- actually reading a newspaper, caring what other smart people have to say, listening to those people honestly and seriously, and then taking action out of compassion and empathy for those in need of help.
The second part of the interview is where it gets quite damning. According to Warren, First Lady Clinton became Senator Clinton of New York, and then things changed. The same bankruptcy bill came through congress, and this time Hillary voted for it. When Warren is asked what changed, she replies (paraphrasing), "Hillary started receiving all this money from Wall Street, and they became her constituency." Well, that would be a very dramatic transformation, indeed.
Now if you loathe Hillary Clinton, and are mostly interested in validating that worldview, then you can stop reading. You have what you need. You can go and post that video to Facebook and talk about how corrupt and horrible she is. But if you'd like to gain a broader understanding of things, continue on.
So what happened? Did Hillary vote for this bill because she became beholden to special interests on Wall Street? What excuse does she have? Here's her explanation in her own words:
Read More at link, long but excellent OP.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zachary-leven/the-case-for-hillary_b_9201778.html
He may truly believe in what he is postulating, and God bless him for that.
But as a 25 year member of congress and the senate, he knows deep down in his heart how difficult or impossible it will be for him to get even a fraction of what he is promising accomplished. However, if he is lighting a fire under all these young people who have jumped on his bandwagon so that they will carry forward and vote for Democrats in the mid terms, and work for reforms in the years ahead, then mazel tov ! He has performed a great service to the progressive cause even if he's not the nominee.
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