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Will DU return to a transparent jury process with comments?

If you want moderators to have veto power over the jury, you could still make allowances for that.

The secret jury process can make the outcome look like a thumb is on the scale even when it is not.

KERRY: "if the choice is one state, Israel can either be Jewish or Democratic, it cannot be both."

Kerry's speech was still advocating for the two state solution, but he said if Israel tried to ignore that and de facto absorb the Occupied Territories, it comes down to this.

Can America support a multi-ethnic state where one ethnic or religious group has far more rights than the other?

Bernie might have been right about a revolution, but it could come from Trump over-reaching

and same people within the government refusing to follow his orders.

A moment that will stick with me for the rest of my life was during the collapse of the Soviet Union during the hardline communist coup. Protesters surrounded the parliament building, and the coup government called out the troops. When the tanks arrived, they joined the protesters, and that was the end of the coup.

If Trump and inbred, entitled, trust fund babies he is turning out to actually represent vastly over-reach, the same could happen to them.

could someone rig the Bible to burst into flames when Trump puts his hand on it for oath of office?

If it could burn 666 into his hand, that would be even better.

If racism, sexually assault, fraud, cronyism, etc. isn't enough to turn off his followers, that might do it.

Which would hurt GOP more in the long run: electors dumping Trump or keeping him?

A lot of people think any radical action by the Electoral College voters is unlikely, but I wonder what people think the consequences would be long term.

If you live in a Trump state, give electors NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE POLLS for their state:

The National Popular Vote website has all of them in one place by state.


Maybe it won't do anything, but I don't see too many states on the list that dip much below 70%.

If you've got 70% of your state on your side, it might seem like a smaller step to break with your party.

William Binney, Ray McGovern and Other Intel Experts Call Russian Hacking Allegations Baseless

This is an open letter, so they intended it posted in full.

If there is some stronger evidence that they overlooked, please post it at the end.

It sounds like the Trump campaign did have contact with Russia, and given the various October Surprises like Nixon in '68 and Reagan in '80, that should still be investigated (the way those weren't).

In a letter published on Consortium News regarding claims that Russia interfered in the recent U.S. elections, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity penned a powerful rebuke of the narrative being spread. Signed by retired intelligence officials William Binney, Mike Gravel, Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern, Elizabeth Murray and Kirk Wiebe, the memorandum offered a bold rethinking of the alleged “hack” because “given what we know of [the National Security Agency’s] existing capabilities, it beggars belief that NSA would be unable to identify anyone—Russian or not—attempting to interfere in a U.S. election by hacking.”

Here’s an excerpt:

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity


Allegations of Hacking Election Are Baseless

A New York Times report on Monday alluding to “overwhelming circumstantial evidence” leading the CIA to believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin “deployed computer hackers with the goal of tipping the election to Donald J. Trump” is, sadly, evidence-free. This is no surprise, because harder evidence of a technical nature points to an inside leak, not hacking—by Russians or anyone else.

Monday’s Washington Post reports that Sen. James Lankford, R-Oklahoma, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has joined other senators in calling for a bipartisan investigation of suspected cyber-intrusion by Russia. Reading our short memo could save the Senate from endemic partisanship, expense and unnecessary delay.

In what follows, we draw on decades of senior-level experience—with emphasis on cyber-intelligence and security—to cut through uninformed, largely partisan fog. Far from hiding behind anonymity, we are proud to speak out with the hope of gaining an audience appropriate to what we merit—given our long labors in government and other areas of technology. And corny though it may sound these days, our ethos as intelligence professionals remains, simply, to tell it like it is—without fear or favor.

We have gone through the various claims about hacking. For us, it is child’s play to dismiss them. The email disclosures in question are the result of a leak, not a hack. Here’s the difference between leaking and hacking:

Leak: When someone physically takes data out of an organization and gives it to some other person or organization, as Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning did.

Hack: When someone in a remote location electronically penetrates operating systems, firewalls or any other cyber-protection system and then extracts data.

All signs point to leaking, not hacking. If hacking were involved, the National Security Agency would know it—and know both sender and recipient.

In short, since leaking requires physically removing data—on a thumb drive, for example—the only way such data can be copied and removed, with no electronic trace of what has left the server, is via a physical storage device.

Awesome Technical Capabilities

Again, NSA is able to identify both the sender and recipient when hacking is involved. Thanks largely to the material released by Edward Snowden, we can provide a full picture of NSA’s extensive domestic data-collection network including Upstream programs like Fairview, Stormbrew and Blarney. These include at least 30 companies in the U.S. operating the fiber networks that carry the Public Switched Telephone Network as well as the World Wide Web. This gives NSA unparalleled access to data flowing within the U.S. and data going out to the rest of the world, as well as data transiting the U.S.

In other words, any data that is passed from the servers of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) or of Hillary Rodham Clinton (HRC)—or any other server in the U.S.—is collected by the NSA. These data transfers carry destination addresses in what are called packets, which enable the transfer to be traced and followed through the network.

Packets: Emails being passed across the World Wide Web are broken down into smaller segments called packets. These packets are passed into the network to be delivered to a recipient. This means the packets need to be reassembled at the receiving end.

To accomplish this, all the packets that form a message are assigned an identifying number that enables the receiving end to collect them for reassembly. Moreover, each packet carries the originator and ultimate receiver Internet protocol number (either IPV4 or IPV6) that enables the network to route data.

When email packets leave the U.S., the other “Five Eyes” countries (the U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) and the seven or eight additional countries participating with the U.S. in bulk-collection of everything on the planet would also have a record of where those email packets went after leaving the U.S.

These collection resources are extensive [see attached NSA slides 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]; they include hundreds of trace route programs that trace the path of packets going across the network and tens of thousands of hardware and software implants in switches and servers that manage the network. Any emails being extracted from one server going to another would be, at least in part, recognizable and traceable by all these resources.

The bottom line is that the NSA would know where and how any “hacked” emails from the DNC, HRC or any other servers were routed through the network. This process can sometimes require a closer look into the routing to sort out intermediate clients, but in the end sender and recipient can be traced across the network.

The various ways in which usually anonymous spokespeople for U.S. intelligence agencies are equivocating—saying things like “our best guess” or “our opinion” or “our estimate” etc.—shows that the emails alleged to have been “hacked” cannot be traced across the network. Given NSA’s extensive trace capability, we conclude that DNC and HRC servers alleged to have been hacked were, in fact, not hacked.

The evidence that should be there is absent; otherwise, it would surely be brought forward, since this could be done without any danger to sources and methods. Thus, we conclude that the emails were leaked by an insider—as was the case with Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning. Such an insider could be anyone in a government department or agency with access to NSA databases, or perhaps someone within the DNC.

As for the comments to the media as to what the CIA believes, the reality is that CIA is almost totally dependent on NSA for ground truth in the communications arena. Thus, it remains something of a mystery why the media is being fed strange stories about hacking that have no basis in fact. In sum, given what we know of NSA’s existing capabilities, it beggars belief that NSA would be unable to identify anyone—Russian or not—attempting to interfere in a U.S. election by hacking.

For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)

Mike Gravel, former Adjutant, top secret control officer, Communications Intelligence Service; special agent of the Counter Intelligence Corps and former United States Senator

Larry Johnson, former CIA Intelligence Officer & former State Department Counter-Terrorism Official

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East, CIA (ret.)

Kirk Wiebe, former Senior Analyst, SIGINT Automation Research Center, NSA (ret.)


If Rex Tillerson of ExxonMobil is making deals with Russia, which business interests want war?

A fair amount of the conflict between the US and Russia makes sense in terms competition to control who supplies Europe and Asia with oil and gas, but if Exxon is making deals, who thinks it's in their best interest to take steps in Syria and Iran that could easily lead to war with Russia, and to demonize Russia to the degree that it sounds like they want to got to war with Russia in any case?

Why didn't Democrats do anything to stop Republican voter suppression in the eight years Obama was

in office?

Cross check wasn't exactly a secret.

Now it's too fucking late until at least 2020. By then the GOP will figure out how to stop a hell of a lot more of us from voting.

Hillary ONE TERM & DONE: a possible face-saving compromise for GOP electors?

I'm just throwing spaghetti at the wall here, but stranger things have happened than this.

What if Democrats propose a compromise with GOP electors that since Hillary won the popular vote, and there are doubts (at minimum) about how Trump won the electoral college, Hillary take office but vows to just serve for one term, so essentially 2020 is the "do-over" some have suggested?

The right could say they got their pound of flesh from Hillary, and we could get four years to get the Democrats house in order and present a fresh candidate in 2020.

I'm sure there are some flaws with this or possible better variations.

What do you guys think?
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