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This is a common problem in Florida...

...there is little or no mental health service for severe cases
...schools, family services, and juvenile justice pass kids off with superficial counseling
...dangerous kids drop out or get expelled
...nothing happens until they commit a felony and go to jail

That's the reason that possession of a gun should not depend on adjudicated mental illness or a POS background check.


Some teachers banned Nikolas Cruz from their classrooms at Westglades Middle School because of his erratic behavior. One teacher said he was barred from bringing a backpack to the school and security had to search him to ensure he didn’t have weapons. Teachers were very concerned about him and were working to get him help.

Several teachers who knew Cruz in middle school said in interviews that he was an increasing behavioral challenge for the school system and appeared to be on a troublesome path. In the years before he would allegedly carry out one of the worst mass shootings at a school in U.S. history, Cruz faced a long string of escalating disciplinary measures throughout his academic career for insubordination, profanity, disruption, fighting and assault.

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman

It was tRump's fault!!!


THE VILLAGES, Fla. (WESH) —Two homes are being threatened after several sinkholes opened in The Villages, deputies said.

The Marion County Sheriff’s Office said the holes opened in the area of McLawren Terrace.

The largest of the three holes is about 35-feet-deep by 18 feet across.

Officials said utilities to four homes have been disconnected.

The sinkholes appear to be threatening just two homes, with one of the sinkholes reaching far underneath a home.

You can't make this stuff up...FL...


Van stolen in Florida with dead body in the back
The keys were in the running van when it was taken.
Author: 10News Staff
Published: 6:59 PM EST February 12, 2018
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Florida deputies hope you can help them track down a van that was stolen with a dead body in the back of it!

According to the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office, the driver of a 2006 silver Honda Odyssey van left it running with the keys inside when it was taken.

In the back was a dead body being transported “for work purposes.”

The van has Florida license plate NIS5N.

If you’ve seen it, make sure to call police!

When do you take the keys away?

...looking forward to my first self-driving car, but meanwhile here in the Sunshine State, we see this all to often.


According to a news release, 98-year-old Walter Roney of Michigan was traveling the wrong way going inside the eastbound lane of State Road 70, Okeechobee Road, when his 1986 RV Mirage collided with a 2013 Chevy Silverado traveling eastbound on State Road 70.

The driver of the Chevy, 17-year-old Santia Myriah Feketa of Fort Pierce, and a passenger, 16-year-old Britney Lee Poindexter of Port St. Lucie, were killed in the crash.

Zombie Campaigns


In their political afterlife, former politicians and their staffers are hoarding unspent campaign donations for years and using them to finance their lifestyle, advance their new careers and pay family members, an investigation by the Tampa Bay Times, 10News WTSP and TEGNA-owned TV stations found.

Their spending makes a mockery of one of the fundamental principles of America’s campaign finance laws: Donations must be spent only on politics, not politicians’ personal lives.

Six campaign finance experts told Times/WTSP reporters that some of the zombie campaign spending was a potential election-law violation that should have been investigated by the FEC.

“There’s just no legitimate explanation for that, and it’s just outrageous,” said Noah Bookbinder, executive director of nonpartisian watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “It’s the kind of abuse that people only perpetrate when they’re sure nobody is watching and they can get away with anything.”

Really interesting investigation at the link...

Mysterious email sent to attendees of the World Economic Conference at Davos...

Dear Sir:

We have been requested by the United States White House to contact you for assistance in resolving a matter. The Trump Towers Hotel and Casino LLC has recently concluded a large number of contracts for condominiums in Florida and South American and Kazakhstan. The contracts have immediately produced moneys equaling US $400,000,000. The Trump Towers Hotel and Casino LLC is desirous of buyers from all parts of the world, however, because of certain regulations of the US State Department, it is unable to move these funds to another region.

You assistance is requested as a non-US citizen to assist the Trump Towers Hotel and Casino LLC, and also the Alfa Bank JSC, in moving these funds out of Russia and the Ukraine. If the funds can be transferred to your name, in your bank account, then you can forward the funds as directed by the Alfa Bank JSC. In exchange for your accommodating services, the Trump Towers Hotel and Casino LLC would agree to allow you to retain 10%, or as much as US $400,000 of your transferred amount or own a beach front condo in the country of your choice. You will also have an opportunity for membership in one of our exclusive golf clubs for a mere $200,000 (which can be deducted tax-free from your share of the exchange). The golf clubs are conveniently located in Florida, Ireland, and New Jersey.

However, to be a legitimate transferee of these moneys according to US law, you must presently be a depositor of at least US $1 million in a US bank which is regulated by the US Office of the Comptroller of the Currency of the US Federal Reserve System.

If it will be possible for you to assist us, we would be most grateful. We suggest that you meet with us in person in the Trump Towers, NY, and that during your visit we will introduce you to the representatives of the Trump Towers Hotel and Casino LLC, as well as with certain members of the Trump family.

Please call at your earliest convenience at 212-715-7290 (Towers) or 202-456-1414 (WH). Time is of the essence in this matter; very quickly the US FBI will realize that the your bank is maintaining this amount on deposit, and attempt to levy certain depository taxes on it.

Yours truly,

Prince Jared and Princes Ivanka

March to Mara Lago


Lots of Florida marches today.

Sea Duffy on CNN now is a moran....

why put these people on tv?

Ted Lieu on All In now...

just a heads up
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