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The CT that has been posted over the weekend is that Trump will challenge the popular vote

In several swing states, and that the republican legislatures will refuse to certify the electors, but, as has been noted, it doesn’t work that way in many/most states.

The CT also stipulates that Trump will declare a state of emergency due to the “fraud” in order for the DOJ to investigate/interfere with the SOS certification of popular vote tallies, which trigger the appointment of electors in many places, in the hopes of throwing the election to the House, where each state gets one vote.

While Trump/Barr may attempt such a strategy, I doubt it has much chance of succeeding. For one, the streets would fill with protestors who would make recent marches look like picnics, and this uncertainty would also cause the markets to crash. Trump/Barr would only have about 5weeks to interfere with the appointment of electors in the four states the CT claims would be challenged, which the CT claims would prevent either candidate from getting to 270, and throw the election to the house.

Not so fast.

The 12th amendment states:
The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

So on January 10 (IIRC), the new Congress unseals and counts the ballots from electors who were appointed and cast their ballots on Dec. 14. The winner is whoever has a majority of electoral votes among the those votes sent to the House for certification. The only time it goes to the house is if there is a tie, or if 3 or more candidates split the electors and none have a majority. With a two way election, that is not mathematically possible (maybe that’s why Kanye declared his candidacy )
Trump could block the appointment of electors in all 50 states, and the 3 from DC would then decide the election.
Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:18 AM (2 replies)

Press Watch: Why is MSM so gentle with Joe Biden?

This is a delicate topic, but an important one for an honest vetting of our potential nominees.


T The two most important roles for journalists during political primary season are to cull the herd of the weakest candidates and take their best shots at the frontrunner, to test his or her readiness for the general election. That's a public service for the political ecosystem.

So a profoundly weak frontrunner should be the ultimate in big game for our top political reporters.

Instead, mainstream journalists in the best positions to demand answers — during sit-down interviews and televised debates — have been remarkably gentle with Joe Biden.

They ask about his decision to authorize the war in Iraq, but not about the many documented times he has lied about why he made that decision, and when he first realized the war was a mistake.

They ask questions about his fitness for office, but let him off with glib answers about push-ups rather than assertively confronting him with examples of his consistent and troubling incoherence — even when he is in the process of giving them fresh examples.

About Press Watch:
We’re entering a critical period in American politics and American political journalism is not up to the task. Donald Trump’s campaign and presidency have exposed and exploited chronic weaknesses like never before. And despite some progress, elite political press coverage insufficiently rebuts lies; normalizes abnormal behavior; asserts false equivalences; remains overly susceptible to spectacle, conflict, and gamesmanship; fails to contextualize the news with expertise – and on and on.

(Note to potential jurors: this is legitimate, evidence based criticism of both Biden and the media, not “bashing”, Thank You).

Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:29 PM (62 replies)

Salon: Democratic moderates fear the socialist left will wreck the party...

Over the past few weeks, ever since Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's startling primary victory over Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y., we’ve seen a remarkable display of intra-party, bad-faith concern trolling — an area where Democrats have set a high standard. Various “mainstream” or “moderate” figures in or around the party are already seeking to pin blame for a hypothetical November defeat, in advance, on the insurgent “socialist” faction associated with Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Bernie Sanders. My daring analysis: This does not bespeak enormous confidence.

None of this makes clear why powerful people like Comey and Lieberman are so worried about a small-scale insurrection within the Democratic Party that is nowhere near as "far from the mainstream" as they pretend, and is also a long way from staging a coup and hanging portraits of Trotsky and Che in DNC headquarters. Socialist-dread syndrome also appears to have driven the recent gathering of “moderate” Democrats in Columbus, Ohio, under the aegis of the think tank Third Way, as reported in a widely circulated piece by Alex Seitz-Wald of NBC News (a former Salon staffer).
Markell is absolutely right: A debate is overdue. But a debate about what? The problem for Democratic moderates is precisely that they will not define or explain their positions clearly, except in wonky, granular, political-calculus terms, in large part because their ideas are widely discredited and massively unpopular.
Attendees at the Third Way conference were clearly aware that middle-path Democrats will need big, new ideas in order to compete successfully with Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, debt-free college and the other dangerous pinko proposals that would have had near-unanimous support in the pre-Reagan Democratic Party. Here's what they came up with: A private-sector, employer-funded universal pension plan to supplement Social Security. OK, I'm just spitballing, but that probably isn’t going to suck the wind out of the red sails of Bernie’s fleet and sweep Mitch Landrieu (or whomever) into the White House.
Those who shut down such internal conflict and purged the activist left from the Democratic Party, on the premise that it was the only possible way to win elections in a "centrist," anti-ideological nation, have never faced the consequences of their historic blunder. They have lost repeatedly and on a grand scale, insisting every time that they really should have won — or in some other, better world, did win — and that whatever went wrong was somebody else’s fault. They are the ones who appear committed to an inflexible, dogmatic ideology that is out of step with political reality. They are surprised and outraged to learn that if they want to continue their losing streak, they will have to fight for it.

Much more at :
Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Sat Jul 28, 2018, 12:42 PM (166 replies)

Disingenuous attacks on Bernie Sanders persist, and his popularity climbs


Of course, Kaine wasn’t just personally pro-life; like Mello, he also had a history of supporting anti-abortion measures as governor of Virginia. As ThinkProgress reported in July (around the same time as Hogue’s statement), while in office in Richmond Kaine had “pushed for adoption over abortion, promoted abstinence-only education, passed a law that required parental notification for minors wanting an abortion, and banned late-term abortion.” ThinkProgress noted, “He even signed a bill to use state dollars to create ‘Choose Life’ license plates, which funded state ‘Crisis Pregnancy Centers’ — facilities whose sole purpose is to dissuade pregnant women from getting an abortion.”

So this entire Heath Mello incident appears to be a thinly veiled sectarian attack against Sanders, driven by bitterness and resentment. For the most outraged Democrats, the problem hasn’t so much been that the Democratic National Committee is supporting a candidate who is moderately pro-life — after all, their 2016 vice presidential candidate was moderately pro-life — but that Bernie Sanders (who still won’t call himself a Democrat, much to their chagrin) has supported a candidate who is moderately pro-life.

Needless to say, capitulating on LGBT rights or women’s reproductive rights is not an option for progressives — and never has been. If a candidate like Mello were indeed planning to “strip women of basic rights and freedoms,” then Sanders would be well-advised to retract his endorsement and vehemently reject Mello’s candidacy. But that’s simply not the case.


The Clinton camp has basically sought to use Sanders’ passion about economic inequality and political corruption against him, as if someone who is this intense about economic issues must be a “class reductionist” who cares little about social and cultural issues. (It is only mainstream liberals, of course, who treat economic and cultural matters as if they could somehow be separated.) .

The DNC as a system will resist change from the current status quo, yet in order to increase its influence and effectiveness in American politics, and win more elections, change it must.

Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:49 AM (16 replies)

Why The FBI can't tell all on Trump & Russia

Can't vouch for the veracity of all details, but much has been corroborated or reported elsewhere.


Long Story short, to dislose all now risks compromising investigation into Russian mafia that effects the US govt. and citizens in ways greater than just the 2016 election.

Hopefully, in time, they can bring the hammer down on everyone involved.
Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Sun Apr 2, 2017, 03:10 PM (16 replies)

To be fair, not all have fallen for Putin's puppets at JPR

Manny, for instance, seems to keep a level head, ignoring much of the rampant nonsense being spewed by posters opposing the "Deep State", claiming "Clarity" as their motive.

Unfortunately, many, many others, including some of the other mods, have fallen victim to a blind contrarianism that permeates the site rendering discussion of even the very nature of truth and reality impossible. If the MSM says the sky is blue, and some Putin sponsored "alternative journalist" says it is a green plaid, then for many, green plaid is the accepted reality.

Also, to be fair, the opposite of blind contrarianism is, of course, blind faith, and is just as dangerous. There are many here who accept the word of intelligence agencies who have repeatedly lied to us in the past, with no verifiable evidence beyond their own, often anonymous statements. There are even some who believe that the Russians hacked vote tallies, with no evidence, in fact US intelligence sources state the opposite.

Sadly, this confusion from misinformation/disinformation is a characteristic of the post-truth era, leading to either 1) blind faith when it fits one's personal narrative, 2) blind contrarianism when it doesn't, or 3) apathy out of frustration for those attemping to use critical thinking skills.

JPR could be a good progressive forum if it focused on spreading progressive values and acheiving progressive goals, instead of a lot of the nonsense that fills the site (at least the front page). There are some DU refugees there who are trying, but get drowned out.
Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Mon Jan 2, 2017, 02:33 AM (1 replies)

Team Bernie: "Hillary f*cking ignored us in swing states"

Interesting interview with Sanders staffers who reached out to the Clinton campaign at the convention, but were rebuffed.


Democrats who hope to win in 2018 and beyond will ignore the lesson of this error by HRC's team at their own peril.
Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Tue Dec 20, 2016, 11:21 PM (70 replies)

Since 9/11, I had been a moral insomniac,

Unable to sleep because of the horrors, war crimes, and Constitution shredding done in my name, with my tax dollars. Was very active in engaging my reps, but nothing changed. Finally, 6 months ago, I emigrated to Canada.

I sleep much better now, but in my waking hours, still feel the rage and sorrow over the loss of the Idea of America.

I'm not an expatriate, I'm a Patriot-In-Exile.
Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:51 AM (0 replies)

Newbie to BC: a request for help.

We will be relocating to BC, probably Maple Ridge/Pitt Meadows/TriCities area by the end of summer.

For some background on the reasons why, and our journey so far, see my DU2 journal post of 1-16-10 here:


I an writing to request help from BC DU'ers in our settling process. If the group members don't mind, I would like to post a series (not all at once) of separate requests for advice on various topics, from cell phone carriers and ISP's to neighborhoods, insurance, etc. I thought separating topics would help me screen information easier, rather than a random free-for-all. Hopefully, my posts won't distract too much from the serious political discussions and news updates posted here.

I'm doing my own research on my options of course, but wanted to hear from like minded DU'ers about their own personal experiences and preferences.

So, to start things off on a lighter note, can anyone recommend a good doughnut/coffee shop in the Maple Ridge/Tricities area that isn't Tim Horton's/Starbucks, and a good natural foods store in the same area that isn't Whole Foods?

I'll post more meaningful requests in the near future.

Thanks in advance for any and all help!

Posted by Fiendish Thingy | Wed May 2, 2012, 03:24 PM (5 replies)
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