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Roland99
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May 6, 2022
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1522314696275075073.html
Alito's opinion on abortion is worthless. Breakdown of 1864 Oregon law shows it!
https://twitter.com/AaronTangLaw/status/1522314696275075073 Want a quick break to read a 114 year old story that literally would not exist if Alitos draft were right about the history of abortion law?
Its a tale of scandal, intrigue, and *most of all* what ppl actually understood about the rt to abortion in early America. Thread:
Its a tale of scandal, intrigue, and *most of all* what ppl actually understood about the rt to abortion in early America. Thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1522314696275075073.html
Want a quick break to read a 114 year old story that literally would not exist if Alitos draft were right about the history of abortion law?
Its a tale of scandal, intrigue, and *most of all* what ppl actually understood about the rt to abortion in early America. Thread:
In 1908, Oregon prosecutors charged an electrotherapist named J.D. Dunn w/ sexually abusing a 14-year-old patient. At trial, Dunns defense turned on a single witness, a certain Mrs. Kruse who said she was in the office during the alleged abuse and that it never happened. 2/13
Kruses testimony was a major problem for prosecutors. So they did what anyone whos seen Law & Order would do: they tried to discredit her on cross-examination. After hard questioning, they got Kruse to admit she was Dunns former patient. But she refused to say more. 3/13
So prosecutors called another witness who would. That witness revealed that Dunn had performed an abortion on Kruse when she was three months pregnant.
What do you suppose happened next?
The answer reveals so much about the accuracy of Alitos historical analysis. 4/13
In Alitos world, this shouldve been the most jaw-dropping moment in open court. Under Oregons 1864 law, it was manslaughter to perform an abortion on any woman pregnant w/ child. To Alito, Dunn was just accused of an offense far more severe than what he was on trial for!5/13
But in the real world, prosecutors never charged Dunn. Quite the opposite. Appearing in the Oregon Supreme Court, attorneys for the state confirmed w/ little fanfare that abortion is not a crime under the 1864 abortion law unless it results in the death of a quick fetus.6/13
This meant that because he performed Kruses abortion at three months in gestationwell before quickening, or the fetuss first noticeable movement around 16 weeksDunn had committed no crime at all.
This is devastating for Alito. Heres why: 7/13
Alitos opinion says the Cts governing test is whether abortion is deeply rooted in history & tradition in America. He knows history & tradition as of the founding and at common law are terrible for him b/c EVERY state allowed pre-quickening abortion at those times. 8/13
Alitos response is to claim most states changed their laws to ban pre-quickening abortion by the time the 14th Amendment was ratified. This move is so crucial that he includes a 23-page appendix (longer than most opinions!) listing every state law he says is on his side.
9/13
Alito claims Oregon is one such state. But as weve seen, that cant be correct. Not unless Oregons prosecutors LIED to their SCt when they affirmed the states longstanding position that pre-quickening abortions were perfectly legal under the 1864 abortion law. 10/13
With the Oregon miscount revealed, the rest of Alitos analysis crumbles. Many other state abortion laws used similar languageand were also understood as applying only after quickening. I describe them in detail here: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf 11/13
The Originalist Case for an Abortion Middle Ground
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3921358
One final note. All my sources are public record, in particular the Oregon Supreme Courts opinion in JD Dunn's case. See cite.case.law/or/53/304/
This opinion wouldve been easy to find if Alito or a clerk had searched ANY legal database for abortion and quick. 12/13
https://cite.case.law/or/53/304/
That Alito wrote his draft overruling the rt to abortion based on a mistaken historical conclusion without EVER bothering to do such a basic searchor worse, having done it, only to suppress inconvenient factssays it all. Alitos opinion has nothing to do w/ law or history. /end
Postscript: The jury voted to convict JD Dunn, and he was sentenced to a one year prison term. In all the local newspaper coverage of his trial, not a single mention is made of Kruses pre-quickening abortionmore evidence it was a total non-issue. See
Morning Oregonian. (Portland, Or.) 1861-1937, March 19, 1908, Page 12, Image 12
Its a tale of scandal, intrigue, and *most of all* what ppl actually understood about the rt to abortion in early America. Thread:
In 1908, Oregon prosecutors charged an electrotherapist named J.D. Dunn w/ sexually abusing a 14-year-old patient. At trial, Dunns defense turned on a single witness, a certain Mrs. Kruse who said she was in the office during the alleged abuse and that it never happened. 2/13
Kruses testimony was a major problem for prosecutors. So they did what anyone whos seen Law & Order would do: they tried to discredit her on cross-examination. After hard questioning, they got Kruse to admit she was Dunns former patient. But she refused to say more. 3/13
So prosecutors called another witness who would. That witness revealed that Dunn had performed an abortion on Kruse when she was three months pregnant.
What do you suppose happened next?
The answer reveals so much about the accuracy of Alitos historical analysis. 4/13
In Alitos world, this shouldve been the most jaw-dropping moment in open court. Under Oregons 1864 law, it was manslaughter to perform an abortion on any woman pregnant w/ child. To Alito, Dunn was just accused of an offense far more severe than what he was on trial for!5/13
But in the real world, prosecutors never charged Dunn. Quite the opposite. Appearing in the Oregon Supreme Court, attorneys for the state confirmed w/ little fanfare that abortion is not a crime under the 1864 abortion law unless it results in the death of a quick fetus.6/13
This meant that because he performed Kruses abortion at three months in gestationwell before quickening, or the fetuss first noticeable movement around 16 weeksDunn had committed no crime at all.
This is devastating for Alito. Heres why: 7/13
Alitos opinion says the Cts governing test is whether abortion is deeply rooted in history & tradition in America. He knows history & tradition as of the founding and at common law are terrible for him b/c EVERY state allowed pre-quickening abortion at those times. 8/13
Alitos response is to claim most states changed their laws to ban pre-quickening abortion by the time the 14th Amendment was ratified. This move is so crucial that he includes a 23-page appendix (longer than most opinions!) listing every state law he says is on his side.
9/13
Alito claims Oregon is one such state. But as weve seen, that cant be correct. Not unless Oregons prosecutors LIED to their SCt when they affirmed the states longstanding position that pre-quickening abortions were perfectly legal under the 1864 abortion law. 10/13
With the Oregon miscount revealed, the rest of Alitos analysis crumbles. Many other state abortion laws used similar languageand were also understood as applying only after quickening. I describe them in detail here: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf 11/13
The Originalist Case for an Abortion Middle Ground
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3921358
One final note. All my sources are public record, in particular the Oregon Supreme Courts opinion in JD Dunn's case. See cite.case.law/or/53/304/
This opinion wouldve been easy to find if Alito or a clerk had searched ANY legal database for abortion and quick. 12/13
https://cite.case.law/or/53/304/
That Alito wrote his draft overruling the rt to abortion based on a mistaken historical conclusion without EVER bothering to do such a basic searchor worse, having done it, only to suppress inconvenient factssays it all. Alitos opinion has nothing to do w/ law or history. /end
Postscript: The jury voted to convict JD Dunn, and he was sentenced to a one year prison term. In all the local newspaper coverage of his trial, not a single mention is made of Kruses pre-quickening abortionmore evidence it was a total non-issue. See
Morning Oregonian. (Portland, Or.) 1861-1937, March 19, 1908, Page 12, Image 12
April 30, 2022
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1520047160368287744.html
The cornered tiger is the moneyed, white male property owner
And its days in power are numbered and dropping fast
Fear motivates them to more and more drastic measures and furthering the claim that anyone against is even more extreme and crazy. Aka, projection
Wow! Wonderful and insightful thread on the cornered tiger (white conservative males)
https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1520047160368287744 Fine, heres what I think is going on:
White men have long been a minority in US society (currently 29%), but until very recently, they controlled all the ladders of ascent into cultural, political, media, or economic relevance.
White men have long been a minority in US society (currently 29%), but until very recently, they controlled all the ladders of ascent into cultural, political, media, or economic relevance.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1520047160368287744.html
Fine, heres what I think is going on:
White men have long been a minority in US society (currently 29%), but until very recently, they controlled all the ladders of ascent into cultural, political, media, or economic relevance.
That doesnt mean that women and people of color werent visible in politics or culture. But it means the people who rose up the ladder into a position of influence generally had political beliefs that white men found tolerable, if not outright appealing.
Youre a woman or especially a minority, and you want to be a Times columnist, a judge, a congressional leader of note, a TV anchor?
If your ideas conform with the ideas of the white men who run these institutions, you can rise, rise, rise. If they dont you likely wont.
Now its important to switch perspectives and imagine what this system looked liked to white men themselves: consensus.
They could look out their window and see that almost everyone notable agreed with them on really divisive cultural issues!
Occasionally someone would break into the cozy unanimity with ideas that ran against the consensus, like a Jesse Jackson running for president. But even when this happened, all the major cultural and political power centers would reiterate that this was radical fringe politics.
Today this system mostly remains in place, actually! Most political, cultural, and economic institutions are still controlled by white men! Many nonwhite, nonmale people who advance in these institutions do so by being agreeable to white male gatekeepers! (No names, sorry.)
But cracks are starting to emerge. There are people appearing in politics and culture who do not appear to have really been let in by white male gatekeepers - in fact, who express ideas that the vast, vast majority of white male gatekeepers find incorrect or even annoying.
What are these ideas? It varies but generally they are, naturally, ideas that challenge the power structure itself, point out the ways in which white people and men hold disproportionate power, and point out the way that power is exercised, often unfairly.
Why are cracks emerging now? Partly its a cultural evolution. Partly its technological (Twitter plays a big role here). But I think most of it is just demographic. Americas white majority is rapidly becoming a white plurality. Total societal control just isnt sustainable.
And as this has happened, the world as experienced by white men (who, lets remember, do still control the vast majority of political, cultural, and economic institutions) has also changed: where they once saw consensus, now theres conflict.
For many white men, including many who hold vast power and influence, it feels like a bunch of malcontents - espousing ideas everyone previously agreed were radical, no less! - have forced their way past the gatekeepers, and are now making everything complicated and unpleasant.
The response of white men has varied. Some have argued that we need to restore the consensus of earlier years, unaware it was illusory and achieved partly by exclusion. Some have desperately kept trying to gatekeep.
And a whole lot of them have just gotten really, really angry.
And thats where we are now: a small but growing number of people with perspectives that are not agreeable to white male gatekeepers pushing into the public eye, and white men seeing it as radicals smashing a consensus they were told was shared by everyone worth listening to.
And I think it's not a coincidence that the figures and groups that attract the most obsessive ire, who are blamed for causing all the trouble, are also the figures and groups that seem to have most dramatically circumvented the gatekeepers: AOC. Nikole Hannah-Jones. BLM.
One last thing I'll say: in my experience, white men are skeptical of the idea of white male gatekeeping (which makes sense, because it's not like we all got together and decided to do it).
But women and people of color are often acutely aware that their ability to exist in elite circles depends on not challenging certain ideas, and not rubbing powerful people the wrong way. Where do those ideas come from? What do most of those powerful people have in common?
White men have long been a minority in US society (currently 29%), but until very recently, they controlled all the ladders of ascent into cultural, political, media, or economic relevance.
That doesnt mean that women and people of color werent visible in politics or culture. But it means the people who rose up the ladder into a position of influence generally had political beliefs that white men found tolerable, if not outright appealing.
Youre a woman or especially a minority, and you want to be a Times columnist, a judge, a congressional leader of note, a TV anchor?
If your ideas conform with the ideas of the white men who run these institutions, you can rise, rise, rise. If they dont you likely wont.
Now its important to switch perspectives and imagine what this system looked liked to white men themselves: consensus.
They could look out their window and see that almost everyone notable agreed with them on really divisive cultural issues!
Occasionally someone would break into the cozy unanimity with ideas that ran against the consensus, like a Jesse Jackson running for president. But even when this happened, all the major cultural and political power centers would reiterate that this was radical fringe politics.
Today this system mostly remains in place, actually! Most political, cultural, and economic institutions are still controlled by white men! Many nonwhite, nonmale people who advance in these institutions do so by being agreeable to white male gatekeepers! (No names, sorry.)
But cracks are starting to emerge. There are people appearing in politics and culture who do not appear to have really been let in by white male gatekeepers - in fact, who express ideas that the vast, vast majority of white male gatekeepers find incorrect or even annoying.
What are these ideas? It varies but generally they are, naturally, ideas that challenge the power structure itself, point out the ways in which white people and men hold disproportionate power, and point out the way that power is exercised, often unfairly.
Why are cracks emerging now? Partly its a cultural evolution. Partly its technological (Twitter plays a big role here). But I think most of it is just demographic. Americas white majority is rapidly becoming a white plurality. Total societal control just isnt sustainable.
And as this has happened, the world as experienced by white men (who, lets remember, do still control the vast majority of political, cultural, and economic institutions) has also changed: where they once saw consensus, now theres conflict.
For many white men, including many who hold vast power and influence, it feels like a bunch of malcontents - espousing ideas everyone previously agreed were radical, no less! - have forced their way past the gatekeepers, and are now making everything complicated and unpleasant.
The response of white men has varied. Some have argued that we need to restore the consensus of earlier years, unaware it was illusory and achieved partly by exclusion. Some have desperately kept trying to gatekeep.
And a whole lot of them have just gotten really, really angry.
And thats where we are now: a small but growing number of people with perspectives that are not agreeable to white male gatekeepers pushing into the public eye, and white men seeing it as radicals smashing a consensus they were told was shared by everyone worth listening to.
And I think it's not a coincidence that the figures and groups that attract the most obsessive ire, who are blamed for causing all the trouble, are also the figures and groups that seem to have most dramatically circumvented the gatekeepers: AOC. Nikole Hannah-Jones. BLM.
One last thing I'll say: in my experience, white men are skeptical of the idea of white male gatekeeping (which makes sense, because it's not like we all got together and decided to do it).
But women and people of color are often acutely aware that their ability to exist in elite circles depends on not challenging certain ideas, and not rubbing powerful people the wrong way. Where do those ideas come from? What do most of those powerful people have in common?
The cornered tiger is the moneyed, white male property owner
And its days in power are numbered and dropping fast
Fear motivates them to more and more drastic measures and furthering the claim that anyone against is even more extreme and crazy. Aka, projection
April 29, 2022
Scott MacFarlane @MacFarlaneNews
They tried to retreat.... the mob pursued
Powerful court exhibit from US Justice Dept in Capitol riot case
Just a visiting tour group. Lost looking for the bathroom?
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1519831579408965632Scott MacFarlane @MacFarlaneNews
They tried to retreat.... the mob pursued
Powerful court exhibit from US Justice Dept in Capitol riot case
April 28, 2022
Ayup. That's about it.
Democrats vs Republicans. Then vs Now
https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1519762302718808064Ayup. That's about it.
April 28, 2022
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1519757546696937472/pu/vid/488x270/JNP2VEjAbdgccj-W.mp4
In the video'd exchange, #EmptyG mentions specific details in the text message she doesn't know if she sent or not.
Yes, folks.
"I don't remember what I sent but you know that one part where I specifically said 'x' and not 'y'? but I don't know if I sent that or not"
#EmptyG not-so-subtly admits the text about "Marshall Law" *was* hers.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1519758033294925824https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1519757546696937472/pu/vid/488x270/JNP2VEjAbdgccj-W.mp4
Marge Greene gets hot when confronted by Jim Acosta today about the text by her suggesting Trump should declare martial law.
In the video'd exchange, #EmptyG mentions specific details in the text message she doesn't know if she sent or not.
Yes, folks.
"I don't remember what I sent but you know that one part where I specifically said 'x' and not 'y'? but I don't know if I sent that or not"
April 25, 2022
Elon Musk and Ghislaine Maxwell (child sex trafficker extraordinaire)
Would be a SHAME if this was retweeted a lot
https://twitter.com/VoicesByZane/status/1518578288901373953Elon Musk and Ghislaine Maxwell (child sex trafficker extraordinaire)
April 23, 2022
Perjury Taylor Greene
I still like #EmptyG
Perfect name for MTG
https://twitter.com/Marcus4Georgia/status/1517647643471663105Perjury Taylor Greene
I still like #EmptyG
April 22, 2022
Parler still trying to grift the qultists
https://twitter.com/Scr0dman/status/1517628385828249608
April 22, 2022
FL GOPer Randy Fine just ONE year ago ran timeshare legislation by Disney for approval!!
https://twitter.com/Jason_Garcia/status/1517124422662070272 The Sentinel asked Fine about why he waited to get Disney's blessing before filing this legislation.
"It was very important to me that it not damage Disneys business. COVIDs been hard enough," Fine said at the time.
According to text messages between Bogdanoff and Fine, before filing the bill, the two of them first ran the proposal by Walt Disney Co.s Disney Vacation Club and the American Resort Development Association, the timeshare industrys trade association, for approval. The messages were obtained by the Orlando Sentinel under public records laws.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-bz-florida-timeshare-property-tax-legislation-20210329-krqu433mmrfnze7culx7lj2i5q-story.html
"It was very important to me that it not damage Disneys business. COVIDs been hard enough," Fine said at the time.
According to text messages between Bogdanoff and Fine, before filing the bill, the two of them first ran the proposal by Walt Disney Co.s Disney Vacation Club and the American Resort Development Association, the timeshare industrys trade association, for approval. The messages were obtained by the Orlando Sentinel under public records laws.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-bz-florida-timeshare-property-tax-legislation-20210329-krqu433mmrfnze7culx7lj2i5q-story.html
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