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Man arrested after threatening shooting at Seattle mosque

Orlando mass murders had to do with homophobia. Trump and his ilk are encouraging Islamphobia. WTF is wrong with too many people?

A 37-year-old man who allegedly threatened to a shooting at a Seattle mosque was arrested Tuesday afternoon following a brief standoff in North Seattle.

According to police, the man had posted threats against the mosque online and later posted that he had purchased an assault rifle and ammunition.

Police went to the man’s apartment in the 11700 block of Greenwood Avenue North and after a brief standoff took him into custody around 3:30 p.m.

There were no reports of injuries....(a bit more @ link)

Do not think about arguing

It was a gun capable of killing many people in a short period of time.

I don't give a flying fuck if the wrong brand name is used. I care less than shit if someone says the wrong layman's term.

Arguing and nitpicking those details tells me a person cares less for the victims than making sure the weapon used is narrowly defined. Yes, those terms matter for legislation, but not on forums, not on Facebook, not to most of us people.

I've seen this across the Internets and it doesn't impress or educate anyone to say in response to "how horrible that all those young people were murdered by a (insert inaccurate layman's term)", to rely "it wasn't a layman's term but an official term".

Too many were killed too fast by a murderous jerk and his gun that could do this.

The names, ages of the victims of the Pulse mass murder

I didn't see this posted, if it is already, please let me know and I'll self delete this. They are adding names.

Posted date: June 12, 2016
On this very difficult day, we offer heartfelt condolences to today’s victims and their families. Our City is working tirelessly to get as much information out to the families so they can begin the grieving process. Please keep the following individuals in your thoughts and prayers. #PrayforOrlando

The below list of individuals includes victims who have lost their lives during the early morning incident, and next of kin have been contacted. As we continue to reach out to the families of victims, we will continue to update this post.

Edward Sotomayor Jr., 34 years old

Stanley Almodovar III, 23 years old

Luis Omar Ocasio-Capo, 20 years old

Juan Ramon Guerrero, 22 years old

Eric Ivan Ortiz-Rivera, 36 years old

Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz, 22 years old

Luis S. Vielma, 22 years old

Kimberly Morris, 37 years old

Eddie Jamoldroy Justice, 30 years old

Darryl Roman Burt II, 29 years old

U.S. officials: No evidence of direct Islamic State link to Orlando shooting

The FBI official cautioned, however, that proving the suspected link to radical Islamism required further investigation.

Three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation into the massacre said that no evidence had yet been found showing a direct link with Islamic State or any other militant group.

There is “no evidence yet that this was directed or connected to ISIS. So far as we know at this time, his first direct contact was a pledge of bayat (loyalty) he made during the massacre," said a U.S. counter-terrorism official, referring to a 911 call the suspect made on Sunday.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity.

A U.S. intelligence official said it was not unexpected that Islamic State would claim responsibility given that the group has been suffering serious losses of fighters and territory in Iraq and Syria. "The fact that a website connected to Daesh applauded it doesn't mean anything," said the U.S. intelligence official, using an Arabic language acronym for Islamic State. "They are losing on their home turf, and it's not surprising if they're looking for some kind of twisted victory."...

Hate speech. Gun access. Fundamentalism of all sorts.

Deaths. Pain. Sorrow.

Rumors. Anger. Rage.

Pain. Sorrow. Grief.

How. To. Stop?

In shock, grieving, waiting for the facts of who and why vs jumping on rumors

Rumors abound and rather than angrily jumping on any that fit my viewpoint, am doing the extremely difficult thing of being very very sad.

So many things could've, have, factored into this. How people react now will also show factors, guns, RW hate speech, fundamentalist extremism religions, etc etc etc.

You can bet I'm not going to let this fade away.

But for now, there will be rumors which will make it easy to hate some group, but I'm staying in sorrow until more is known.

What the FUCK is wrong with too many people? Be kind, spend time with you loved ones.

The trans bathroom flap reminds me of not allowing gay people in the military or public showers crap

What woman can pee if she thinks a man might peek through the gap in the door? And they might be assaulted!!!!!1111

We can't allow gays in the military or in showers because they might peek!!!!11111 Or might assault me!!!111

I am probably phrasing this wrong, and apologize in advance for that, but it reminds me of that.

Just get over it, people, is my advice. The problem is not gender or sexual orientation but people being afraid or acting like jerks.

Posted by uppityperson | Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:48 PM (3 replies)

Muhammad Ali was so much more than a really good boxer

He did things his own way, in a very stylish way, speaking out against war, racism, and religious intolerance when doing so was very much frowned upon. He was a funny and amazing man. I call him a great man for his honor, courage and integrity. I thank him for making the world a better place, for being the inspiration for so many people to carve out their own way and be good people.

I am not a fan of boxing in any way. I understand the skill needed to do it well, but it has never appealed to me. I was a child when he won the world heavyweight championship and remember people talking about how good of a boxer he was, how amusing he was to watch because he had such a different style than most. I remember the cries of "that's not fair" when he won by using strategy rather than just brute strength. He definitely changed things up.

And it was no longer enough to simply be a great athlete.

From the wiki article on him, linked to http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/sports/in-alis-voice-from-the-past-a-stand-for-the-ages.html?_r=1
"Ali's example inspired countless black Americans and others. The New York Times columnist William Rhoden wrote, "Ali's actions changed my standard of what constituted an athlete's greatness. Possessing a killer jump shot or the ability to stop on a dime was no longer enough. What were you doing for the liberation of your people? What were you doing to help your country live up to the covenant of its founding principles?"

He refused to be drafted into the Viet Nam war and lost his boxing title and millions of dollars in endorsements as a result. His moral standards were worth more than the title he gained and the money offered. He inspired so many to also protest the war and to work against trying to end it. His actions inspired Martin Luther King jr to speak out against the war and eventually his conviction was overturned by the SCOTUS.

This is what I remember so much about him. How could someone who fights for a living, who has been proclaimed the best fighter, say no, I won't go fight in a war? What did it mean to be a CO? What did it mean to be a boxer? If a pro-boxer could say no, wars are immoral, so could so many others.

Here is an article from 2000 that talks about his impact.

Then there was his public conversion to Islam. I remember asking my parents what that meant, how he could change his name and religion. This was quite an eye opening event for me, a youngster living in the heartlands in the 60's. "Cassius Clay is my slave name." Yes, he started with an extreme sect, later converted from the Nation of Islam sect to mainstream Sunni Islam in 1975 and spoke out against religious intolerance.

Here is a short article that sums up well what he meant.

He was a great man, refusing to fit into the mold that had been designated for him, and inspiring so many to do the same.
Posted by uppityperson | Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:46 PM (9 replies)

Egyptair flight 804 crash: Everything we know so far – and what we don’t

This is a good summary, addressing conflicting rumors


Q What are the certainties about MS804?
An Airbus A320 departed from Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris at 11.09pm, local time, on Wednesday 18 May, destination Cairo. Three hours 20 minutes later, while flying at 37,000 feet, Egyptair flight MS804 disappeared from radar screens about 150 miles north of the Egyptian coast. Sixty-six people were known to be on board: 56 passengers, seven crew and three Egyptian security officials. Wreckage and human remains from the flight has been found in the Mediterranean Sea.

Seven “Acars” messages relating to technical issues with the plane were sent minutes before the flight disappeared. These are messages intended for engineers, and comprise a coded explanation - but we do not know exactly what. Two of them indicating that smoke alarms had been activated.


Q What other explanation could there be?
A catastrophic mechanical failure; some have speculated that a sudden, uncommanded thrust reverser deployment could be responsible, as it was for the Lauda Air Boeing 767 crash in Thailand in 1991. On the flight deck, there could have been pilot error or deliberate human intervention. A collision with another object, whether a missile or a drone, is also possible.

Q When will we know?
Most of the aircraft is believed to be up to two miles below sea level in a particularly deep part of the Mediterranean. While this is a less daunting prospect than the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, MH370, it is still likely to take weeks rather than days.

A Hosting question regarding the phrase "Off Topic"

When I am volunteering as a Host, I regularly see people upset with that phrase. They do not understand that it is inserted automatically and take offense at the locking Host. Sometimes the locking Host replies with the reason the OP is being locked, sometimes not. Sometimes DUers will read to that reply, sometimes not. Too often do Hosts get angry messages as to why something is considered off-topic.

While the phrase makes sense sometimes, and while I understand it is meant to indicate that an OP does not meet the Statement of Purpose for a forum/group (found under the "about this forum" button over the threads), it is sometimes inaccurate and too often mistaken as being a personal opinion of a Host, not just automatically inserted by the software. For instance, duplicate threads in LBN are not "off topic", but prohibited by the SOP of LBN.

My question is is it possible to change "off topic" to something else, perhaps "does not meet the forum/group's SOP"? It would help avoid hurt feelings and Host's time spent replying. I know some will take offence at anything, but it would be appreciated to have that spelled out more clearly.

Thank you for considering this.
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