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October 14, 2020
The Real Reason Why Republicans Keep Saying “We’re a Republic, Not a Democracy”
The author of Democracy May Not Exist on a sinister new talking point.
By JOSHUA KEATING
(Slate) The timeworn phrase “we’re a republic, not a democracy,” once confined to campus political debates and the nerdier corners of the political internet, has been bubbling up to mainstream politics for some time now. But it was still jarring, during last week’s vice presidential debate, when Sen. Mike Lee of Utah tweeted, simply, “We’re not a democracy.” He later followed up, “Democracy isn’t the objective; liberty, peace, and prosperity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.”
Lee’s comment triggered an uproar on social media, and other conservatives took up the line. During the first day of Amy Coney Barrett’s Supreme Court confirmation hearing, Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana made the point that America is not a “pure democracy” and quoted newspaper columnist James Gill quipping that “we don’t all put on a clean toga and rush down to the forum to vote in person on every issue.”
An even more extreme position was staked out, a few days before Lee, by Loren Culp, the long-shot Republican candidate for governor of Washington, who said in a recent interview that “democracy is mob rule” and that “famous Chinese leaders like Mao Zedong and Mikhail Gorbachev loved democracy because democracy is a step toward socialism, which is a step towards communism.”
The critique that too much democracy will inevitably lead to mob rule and tyranny is as old as Plato—hence the togas—and these men are right that it was very much on the minds of America’s founders. But for anyone who lived through the era of George W. Bush and democracy promotion it’s jarring to hear Republican candidates and politicians speak about democracy with such disdain. And it certainly seems significant that the democracy critique is picking up steam ahead of an election that could once again hinge on the difference between the Electoral College and the popular vote, as the president rails against “ballots” and refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.
....(snip)....
Do you think there’s a reason why it’s bubbling up into high-level politics now?
I think you’re seeing a real shift in conservative rhetoric because they are giving up on winning majorities. If you go back 50 years, books like The Emerging Republican Majority, and even around the period of George Bush, there was this idea, “OK, well, if Republicans want to keep winning majorities, we need to appeal more to the conservative Latino vote.” And the party has just gone in the opposite direction of that. It’s figuring out how to maintain dominance with a minority of support. And so, in that sense, I think the rhetoric is really telling. It’s a way of rationalizing the further entrenchment of minority rule. ..........(more)
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/republic-democracy-mike-lee-astra-taylor.html
The Real Reason Why Republicans Keep Saying "We're a Republic, Not a Democracy"
The Real Reason Why Republicans Keep Saying “We’re a Republic, Not a Democracy”
The author of Democracy May Not Exist on a sinister new talking point.
By JOSHUA KEATING
(Slate) The timeworn phrase “we’re a republic, not a democracy,” once confined to campus political debates and the nerdier corners of the political internet, has been bubbling up to mainstream politics for some time now. But it was still jarring, during last week’s vice presidential debate, when Sen. Mike Lee of Utah tweeted, simply, “We’re not a democracy.” He later followed up, “Democracy isn’t the objective; liberty, peace, and prosperity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.”
Lee’s comment triggered an uproar on social media, and other conservatives took up the line. During the first day of Amy Coney Barrett’s Supreme Court confirmation hearing, Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana made the point that America is not a “pure democracy” and quoted newspaper columnist James Gill quipping that “we don’t all put on a clean toga and rush down to the forum to vote in person on every issue.”
An even more extreme position was staked out, a few days before Lee, by Loren Culp, the long-shot Republican candidate for governor of Washington, who said in a recent interview that “democracy is mob rule” and that “famous Chinese leaders like Mao Zedong and Mikhail Gorbachev loved democracy because democracy is a step toward socialism, which is a step towards communism.”
The critique that too much democracy will inevitably lead to mob rule and tyranny is as old as Plato—hence the togas—and these men are right that it was very much on the minds of America’s founders. But for anyone who lived through the era of George W. Bush and democracy promotion it’s jarring to hear Republican candidates and politicians speak about democracy with such disdain. And it certainly seems significant that the democracy critique is picking up steam ahead of an election that could once again hinge on the difference between the Electoral College and the popular vote, as the president rails against “ballots” and refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.
....(snip)....
Do you think there’s a reason why it’s bubbling up into high-level politics now?
I think you’re seeing a real shift in conservative rhetoric because they are giving up on winning majorities. If you go back 50 years, books like The Emerging Republican Majority, and even around the period of George Bush, there was this idea, “OK, well, if Republicans want to keep winning majorities, we need to appeal more to the conservative Latino vote.” And the party has just gone in the opposite direction of that. It’s figuring out how to maintain dominance with a minority of support. And so, in that sense, I think the rhetoric is really telling. It’s a way of rationalizing the further entrenchment of minority rule. ..........(more)
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/republic-democracy-mike-lee-astra-taylor.html
October 14, 2020
(Guardian UK) In August, Adrienne White – an ice analyst at the Canadian Ice Service who monitors the Canadian Arctic for changes in sea ice – was reviewing satellite imagery when she spotted something remarkable. The enormous Milne ice shelf, which was the last intact ice shelf in Canada and which White had studied closely before as a PhD student, was dissolving.
A huge chunk larger than Manhattan, roughly 43% of the shelf, broke off in one piece. And as it collapsed into the ocean, it took with it much of the equipment her former colleagues had left there.
“It is lucky that we were not on the ice shelf when this happened,” one colleague, Derek Mueller, wrote in a blogpost following the discovery. “Our camp area and instruments were all destroyed in this event.”
Mueller had been studying a channel that ran below the surface of the Milne ice shelf, like a river. In 2017, a team of researchers discovered scallops, sponges, worms and other organisms living some 20 meters deep, inside the ice shelf. Animals have been found living beneath ice shelves before, but never – to Mueller and his colleagues’ knowledge – inside of one. ...........(more)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/14/canadas-last-intact-ice-shelf-broke-off-it-took-our-research-station-with-it
Canada's last intact ice shelf broke off. It took our research station with it
(Guardian UK) In August, Adrienne White – an ice analyst at the Canadian Ice Service who monitors the Canadian Arctic for changes in sea ice – was reviewing satellite imagery when she spotted something remarkable. The enormous Milne ice shelf, which was the last intact ice shelf in Canada and which White had studied closely before as a PhD student, was dissolving.
A huge chunk larger than Manhattan, roughly 43% of the shelf, broke off in one piece. And as it collapsed into the ocean, it took with it much of the equipment her former colleagues had left there.
“It is lucky that we were not on the ice shelf when this happened,” one colleague, Derek Mueller, wrote in a blogpost following the discovery. “Our camp area and instruments were all destroyed in this event.”
Mueller had been studying a channel that ran below the surface of the Milne ice shelf, like a river. In 2017, a team of researchers discovered scallops, sponges, worms and other organisms living some 20 meters deep, inside the ice shelf. Animals have been found living beneath ice shelves before, but never – to Mueller and his colleagues’ knowledge – inside of one. ...........(more)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/14/canadas-last-intact-ice-shelf-broke-off-it-took-our-research-station-with-it
October 14, 2020
(Guardian UK) Armed militia groups are forging alliances in the final stages of the US presidential election with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers who claim the coronavirus pandemic is a hoax, intensifying concerns that trouble could be brewing ahead of election day.
Leading advocates of anti-government and anti-science propaganda came together at the weekend, joined by the founder of one of the largest militia groups. The rare connection occurred at the Red Pill Expo, a conference convened on Jekyll Island, Georgia – a symbolic location as it is the birthplace of the US Federal Reserve, a popular bogey figure for conspiracy theorists.
The summit, staged indoors in front of a packed and maskless audience of about 350, was headlined by Stewart Rhodes, president of the Oath Keepers. The militia, which turned up menacingly at several Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests over the summer and has acted as a vigilante squad at numerous Donald Trump campaign rallies, has links to 25,000 current or past members, mostly military or police veterans. ............(more)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/armed-militias-conspiracy-theorists-anti-vaxxers-red-pill-expo
US militias forge alliances with conspiracy theorists ahead of election
(Guardian UK) Armed militia groups are forging alliances in the final stages of the US presidential election with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers who claim the coronavirus pandemic is a hoax, intensifying concerns that trouble could be brewing ahead of election day.
Leading advocates of anti-government and anti-science propaganda came together at the weekend, joined by the founder of one of the largest militia groups. The rare connection occurred at the Red Pill Expo, a conference convened on Jekyll Island, Georgia – a symbolic location as it is the birthplace of the US Federal Reserve, a popular bogey figure for conspiracy theorists.
The summit, staged indoors in front of a packed and maskless audience of about 350, was headlined by Stewart Rhodes, president of the Oath Keepers. The militia, which turned up menacingly at several Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests over the summer and has acted as a vigilante squad at numerous Donald Trump campaign rallies, has links to 25,000 current or past members, mostly military or police veterans. ............(more)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/armed-militias-conspiracy-theorists-anti-vaxxers-red-pill-expo
October 14, 2020
From the "Green Book" to Buicks, PBS' "Driving While Black" examines the history of Black mobility
Historian Gretchen Sorin spoke to Salon about how cars and highways offered freedom but also brought new dangers
PRISCILLA WARD
OCTOBER 13, 2020 9:23PM
(Salon) Black mobility has always come with its limitations in this country. A vision of a better life met with fear entrenched the journey. The automobile for many African Americans was a utility of safety, freedom, and opportunity. Shackling someone cruising along the highway is difficult. Historian Dr. Gretchen Sorin has done extensive fieldwork on the subject, culminating in her book "Driving While Black," which was published earlier this year. The book provides the basis for the two-hour PBS documentary of the same name, directed by Sorin and Emmy-winning filmmaker Ric Burns.
The documentary examines "The Negro Motorist Green Book," a small directory of Black-only businesses, restaurants, staying accommodations, and gas stations that were safe for African Americans to use while traveling. The book was published by New York mailman Victor Hugo Green from 1936-1966. Its chief goal was to no longer need printing.
The film traces the fight for Black mobility from the Black codes, meant to control Black people's freedom of movement after the Civil War to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and '60s, which depended on the automobile. Today, systemic racism still haunts Americans while doing just about anything while Black: shopping, eating, sleeping, and working. Most recently, Black travel guides have caught on as a topic of popular interest through films and TV shows like the HBO series "Lovecraft Country" and the Oscar-winning, yet controversial film "Green Book." Now we get to parse through its history.
....(snip)....
The establishment of the highway then provides a coating of safety for people. Can you tell me about that evolution?
You didn't have to go through little communities that you didn't know anything about. You could just stay on the highway and hopefully if you needed gas or needed to use the restroom you could just stop off at a gas station.
I think the most frightening story is the one about the little boy who is traveling to a funeral with his aunt and uncle, and they make the wrong turn. They are driving down the wrong street in Waco, Texas and as they are traveling they see a mob setting a Black man on fire. Someone sees them in the car and yells out, "There is some more. Let's get them," so they took off after them. The highways eliminate that possibility while driving through these little towns. ...........(more)
https://www.salon.com/2020/10/13/driving-while-black-pbs-gretchen-sorin/
From the "Green Book" to Buicks, PBS' "Driving While Black" examines the history of Black mobility
From the "Green Book" to Buicks, PBS' "Driving While Black" examines the history of Black mobility
Historian Gretchen Sorin spoke to Salon about how cars and highways offered freedom but also brought new dangers
PRISCILLA WARD
OCTOBER 13, 2020 9:23PM
(Salon) Black mobility has always come with its limitations in this country. A vision of a better life met with fear entrenched the journey. The automobile for many African Americans was a utility of safety, freedom, and opportunity. Shackling someone cruising along the highway is difficult. Historian Dr. Gretchen Sorin has done extensive fieldwork on the subject, culminating in her book "Driving While Black," which was published earlier this year. The book provides the basis for the two-hour PBS documentary of the same name, directed by Sorin and Emmy-winning filmmaker Ric Burns.
The documentary examines "The Negro Motorist Green Book," a small directory of Black-only businesses, restaurants, staying accommodations, and gas stations that were safe for African Americans to use while traveling. The book was published by New York mailman Victor Hugo Green from 1936-1966. Its chief goal was to no longer need printing.
The film traces the fight for Black mobility from the Black codes, meant to control Black people's freedom of movement after the Civil War to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and '60s, which depended on the automobile. Today, systemic racism still haunts Americans while doing just about anything while Black: shopping, eating, sleeping, and working. Most recently, Black travel guides have caught on as a topic of popular interest through films and TV shows like the HBO series "Lovecraft Country" and the Oscar-winning, yet controversial film "Green Book." Now we get to parse through its history.
....(snip)....
The establishment of the highway then provides a coating of safety for people. Can you tell me about that evolution?
You didn't have to go through little communities that you didn't know anything about. You could just stay on the highway and hopefully if you needed gas or needed to use the restroom you could just stop off at a gas station.
I think the most frightening story is the one about the little boy who is traveling to a funeral with his aunt and uncle, and they make the wrong turn. They are driving down the wrong street in Waco, Texas and as they are traveling they see a mob setting a Black man on fire. Someone sees them in the car and yells out, "There is some more. Let's get them," so they took off after them. The highways eliminate that possibility while driving through these little towns. ...........(more)
https://www.salon.com/2020/10/13/driving-while-black-pbs-gretchen-sorin/
October 14, 2020
Yes, Biden should pack the court: It's time to fight back against Mitch McConnell's power-grabs
Republicans are betting that Democrats don't have the will to fight fire with fire. Biden should prove them wrong
HEATHER DIGBY PARTON
OCTOBER 14, 2020 12:45PM
(Salon) The first day of questioning in the Amy Coney Barrett Supreme Court confirmation hearings was one for the books. The ritual of strong ideological jurists pretending to have never given a thought to the issues of the day is not unprecedented, but the context for it this time around should be unheard of. We are only three weeks away from a national referendum on the president and his party which, in any functioning democracy, would require that decisions about lifetime appointments be postponed until that referendum is decided.
But we don't live in a functioning democracy at the moment, so we are unable to stop a power-mad Republican party from ramming through this appointment despite the fact that the president himself has said publicly that he wants the seat filled in order to ensure a majority will rule in his favor when election disputes go before the court. He and his party have already put such a plan in motion by foreshadowing their intention to contest any outcome not in their favor.
That is the context in which our latest Supreme Court justice will be confirmed on a party line vote. The legitimacy of the appointment and the authority of the court will forever be corrupted by such a raw partisan power play. Any person of real integrity, particularly one who will be serving in a position for which personal honor and superior judgment are paramount job requirements, would refuse to be seated under such tainted circumstances.
Coney Barrett is clearly not such a person, and her answers on the first day of questioning make it clear that she is as unconcerned with her reputation as the Republicans who plan to install her no matter the cost to the stability of our institutions are with their own. .......(more)
https://www.salon.com/2020/10/14/yes-biden-should-pack-the-court-its-time-to-fight-back-against-mitch-mcconnells-power-grabs/
Yes, Biden should pack the court: It's time to fight back against Mitch McConnell's power-grabs
Yes, Biden should pack the court: It's time to fight back against Mitch McConnell's power-grabs
Republicans are betting that Democrats don't have the will to fight fire with fire. Biden should prove them wrong
HEATHER DIGBY PARTON
OCTOBER 14, 2020 12:45PM
(Salon) The first day of questioning in the Amy Coney Barrett Supreme Court confirmation hearings was one for the books. The ritual of strong ideological jurists pretending to have never given a thought to the issues of the day is not unprecedented, but the context for it this time around should be unheard of. We are only three weeks away from a national referendum on the president and his party which, in any functioning democracy, would require that decisions about lifetime appointments be postponed until that referendum is decided.
But we don't live in a functioning democracy at the moment, so we are unable to stop a power-mad Republican party from ramming through this appointment despite the fact that the president himself has said publicly that he wants the seat filled in order to ensure a majority will rule in his favor when election disputes go before the court. He and his party have already put such a plan in motion by foreshadowing their intention to contest any outcome not in their favor.
That is the context in which our latest Supreme Court justice will be confirmed on a party line vote. The legitimacy of the appointment and the authority of the court will forever be corrupted by such a raw partisan power play. Any person of real integrity, particularly one who will be serving in a position for which personal honor and superior judgment are paramount job requirements, would refuse to be seated under such tainted circumstances.
Coney Barrett is clearly not such a person, and her answers on the first day of questioning make it clear that she is as unconcerned with her reputation as the Republicans who plan to install her no matter the cost to the stability of our institutions are with their own. .......(more)
https://www.salon.com/2020/10/14/yes-biden-should-pack-the-court-its-time-to-fight-back-against-mitch-mcconnells-power-grabs/
October 14, 2020
(Detroit Free Press) Three weeks before the Nov. 3 general election, a new Free Press poll shows President Donald Trump continuing to trail former Vice President Joe Biden by 9 percentage points in Michigan and seemingly unable to find a way to boost that level of support.
He's running out of time to do so.
The survey of 600 active and likely voters — done by EPIC-MRA of Lansing for the Free Press and its outstate partners and released Wednesday morning — shows Biden, the Democratic nominee, leading Trump 48%-39%, virtually mirroring the 48%-40% lead he had in the same poll a month ago. .....(more)
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/14/trump-biden-free-press-michigan-poll/3638236001/
Joe Biden up by 9 points in Michigan, Donald Trump stuck in neutral
(Detroit Free Press) Three weeks before the Nov. 3 general election, a new Free Press poll shows President Donald Trump continuing to trail former Vice President Joe Biden by 9 percentage points in Michigan and seemingly unable to find a way to boost that level of support.
He's running out of time to do so.
The survey of 600 active and likely voters — done by EPIC-MRA of Lansing for the Free Press and its outstate partners and released Wednesday morning — shows Biden, the Democratic nominee, leading Trump 48%-39%, virtually mirroring the 48%-40% lead he had in the same poll a month ago. .....(more)
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/14/trump-biden-free-press-michigan-poll/3638236001/
October 14, 2020
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1316189442953150464?s=20
On Fox News Tuesday, former Florida Attorney General and Trump impeachment defense lawyer Pam Bondi claimed to Sean Hannity that the polls showing Joe Biden leading by double digits are wrong, because nobody who supports Trump is willing to talk to pollsters.
“The president is game on,” said Bondi, who is best known for ending an investigation into the president’s businesses after a donation to her political committee. “He’s 100 percent, he’s going strong, and they cannot discount the number of people coming out, they cannot discount the boat parades, they cannot discount all the supporters out there. None of us are going to answer polls! We know who we are voting for. It’s the silent majority!” ..........(more)
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump-lawyer-launches-conspiracy-theory-the-polls-are-wrong-they-cannot-discount-the-boat-parades/?
The polls are wrong because they discount the......boat parade vote!
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1316189442953150464?s=20
On Fox News Tuesday, former Florida Attorney General and Trump impeachment defense lawyer Pam Bondi claimed to Sean Hannity that the polls showing Joe Biden leading by double digits are wrong, because nobody who supports Trump is willing to talk to pollsters.
“The president is game on,” said Bondi, who is best known for ending an investigation into the president’s businesses after a donation to her political committee. “He’s 100 percent, he’s going strong, and they cannot discount the number of people coming out, they cannot discount the boat parades, they cannot discount all the supporters out there. None of us are going to answer polls! We know who we are voting for. It’s the silent majority!” ..........(more)
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump-lawyer-launches-conspiracy-theory-the-polls-are-wrong-they-cannot-discount-the-boat-parades/?
October 13, 2020
(Detroit Free Press) GRAND RAPIDS — Federal prosecutors on Tuesday revealed new and sometimes shocking details of the case they have built against six men accused of plotting to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
Defense attorneys began their efforts to shoot holes in the government's story, suggesting through questions they directed at an FBI agent that some of the plotting was just talk and that there was no specific kidnapping plan, just a range of ideas being tossed around.
Three bond hearings were held Tuesday and bond was denied for all three defendants — Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, and Brandon Caserta. More bond hearings could be held in federal court in Grand Rapids on Friday.
.....snip.....
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/13/whitmer-kidnap-plot-adam-fox-details/5944465002/
New and shocking details revealed at hearing for Gov. Whitmer kidnap plot
(Detroit Free Press) GRAND RAPIDS — Federal prosecutors on Tuesday revealed new and sometimes shocking details of the case they have built against six men accused of plotting to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
Defense attorneys began their efforts to shoot holes in the government's story, suggesting through questions they directed at an FBI agent that some of the plotting was just talk and that there was no specific kidnapping plan, just a range of ideas being tossed around.
Three bond hearings were held Tuesday and bond was denied for all three defendants — Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, and Brandon Caserta. More bond hearings could be held in federal court in Grand Rapids on Friday.
.....snip.....
* Adam Fox, 37, an accused ringleader who lived in the basement of a Wyoming vacuum shop near Grand Rapids, told FBI agents after his arrest that he planned to take Whitmer out to the middle of Lake Michigan in a small boat, disable the engine, and leave her there...........(more)
* In early discussions, before the alleged conspirators focused more exclusively on Whitmer, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who like Whitmer is a Democrat, was mentioned as a possible kidnap target. Like Whitmer, Northam was discussed as a possible target because of "lockdowns" he ordered to combat the coronavirus pandemic, Trask testified.
* Fox and others took close-up still photos and videos outside Whitmer's northern Michigan cottage as part of the planning for a plot to kidnap her from there prior to the Nov. 3 election. Prosecutors showed in the courtroom photos of Fox shooting the photos just outside the cottage, in daylight. The photos of Fox were taken by a confidential informant, Kessler told the court.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/13/whitmer-kidnap-plot-adam-fox-details/5944465002/
October 13, 2020
(MarketWatch) The U.S. stock market has rebounded mightily in recent months but Howard Marks cautions investors to brace for a tough slog in the economy, and that’s even if a fresh fiscal stimulus package can be passed by Congress to help heal the coronavirus-stricken business climate.
“Thus, this down-cycle cannot be fully cured merely through the application of economic stimulus,” the co-founder and co-chairman of Oaktree Capital Management, the largest investor in distressed securities worldwide, wrote in a lengthy screed, reflecting on the current state of the economy and the market, published on Tuesday.
“Rather, the root cause has to be repaired, and that means the disease has to be brought under control,” he wrote.
Marks says that even with the illness that has infected more than 37 million people globally, economic stimulus alone isn’t likely to reverse the damage that the U.S., and economies across the globe, face. ...........(more)
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/billionaire-investor-howard-marks-paints-grim-view-of-economic-outlook-stimulus-alone-wont-cure-down-cycle-11602619585?mod=home-page
Investor Howard Marks paints grim view of economic outlook: stimulus alone won't cure 'down-cycle'
(MarketWatch) The U.S. stock market has rebounded mightily in recent months but Howard Marks cautions investors to brace for a tough slog in the economy, and that’s even if a fresh fiscal stimulus package can be passed by Congress to help heal the coronavirus-stricken business climate.
“Thus, this down-cycle cannot be fully cured merely through the application of economic stimulus,” the co-founder and co-chairman of Oaktree Capital Management, the largest investor in distressed securities worldwide, wrote in a lengthy screed, reflecting on the current state of the economy and the market, published on Tuesday.
“Rather, the root cause has to be repaired, and that means the disease has to be brought under control,” he wrote.
Marks says that even with the illness that has infected more than 37 million people globally, economic stimulus alone isn’t likely to reverse the damage that the U.S., and economies across the globe, face. ...........(more)
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/billionaire-investor-howard-marks-paints-grim-view-of-economic-outlook-stimulus-alone-wont-cure-down-cycle-11602619585?mod=home-page
October 13, 2020
(Detroit News) Grand Rapids — Members of an alleged conspiracy to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer also talked about "taking out" a second politician, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, an FBI agent said Tuesday.
FBI Special Agent Richard Trask identified the Virginia governor, a Democrat, during a hearing in federal court in Grand Rapids during which a magistrate judge is expected to decide whether to release three members of the alleged conspiracy on bond pending trial. ...........(more)
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/13/michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer-plot-hearing/5971731002/
Men accused in Whitmer plot talked about 'taking out' Virginia's governor, FBI says
(Detroit News) Grand Rapids — Members of an alleged conspiracy to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer also talked about "taking out" a second politician, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, an FBI agent said Tuesday.
FBI Special Agent Richard Trask identified the Virginia governor, a Democrat, during a hearing in federal court in Grand Rapids during which a magistrate judge is expected to decide whether to release three members of the alleged conspiracy on bond pending trial. ...........(more)
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/13/michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer-plot-hearing/5971731002/
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