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Paul Ryan falls off edge of earth.

No mention of him anywhere. Brains of GOP missing in action? Coma?

My memory and quick review of debate shows Romney did not mention troops or vets once.

Other than denying Obama's claim that he wanted to increase military spending by 2 trillion above what the generals want, I don't think Romney once mentioned the service of our current troops or veterans. His concern about Libya just seems to be to gain political points by attacking security shortfalls and blaming them on the entire Obama administration or on whoever the charges might stick.

Obama suggested some troops and vets may be among the 47% that don't pay income taxes because of low income.

Did I miss something?

The Lying GOP Presents; Scott Brown!

The BS is thick all over the country, especially tonight in the western Massachusetts senate election debate between Senator Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren. Scotty, taking his lead from Romney and Ryan repeats the 718 Billion Dollar lie about cuts in Medicare Benefits and then with Grover N. on his shoulder he repeats the American Crossroads claim of 18 new taxes hidden in the ACA. For those wondering about that there is always the Fact checkers:


Confused about the lies at the first debate? Check this website.


Were you hoping Obama was going to be able to sort out Romney's lies for the debate audience? Lehrer wasn't about to give Obama time to do that so spread this wed address around to those who were snowed by Romney's bravado.

FactCheck does the job on Romney's claims. Says he tended to exaggerate!

Dubious Denver Debate Declarations

Obama and Romney swap exaggerations and false claims in their first meeting.
Posted on October 4, 2012

We found exaggerations and false claims flying thick and fast during the first debate between President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

• Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.
• Romney again promised to “not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans” and also to “lower taxes on middle-income families,” but didn’t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit.
• Obama oversold his health care law, claiming that health care premiums have “gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.” That’s true of health care spending, but not premiums. And the health care law had little to do with the slowdown in overall spending.
• Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits.
• Obama said 5 million private-sector jobs had been created in the past 30 months. Perhaps so, but that counts jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics won’t add to the official monthly tallies until next year. For now, the official tally is a bit over 4.6 million.
• Romney accused Obama of doubling the federal deficit. Not true. The annual deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office.
• Obama again said he’d raise taxes on upper-income persons only to the “rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president.” Actually, many high-income persons would pay more than they did then, because of new taxes in Obama’s health care law.
• Romney claimed that middle-income Americans have “seen their income come down by $4,300.” That’s too high. Census figures show the decline in median household income during Obama’s first three years was $2,492, even after adjusting for inflation.
• Obama again touted his “$4 trillion” deficit reduction plan, which includes $1 trillion from winding down wars that are coming to an end in any event.

Romney sometimes came off as a serial exaggerator. He said “up to” 20 million might lose health insurance under the new law, citing a Congressional Budget Office study that actually put the likely number who would lose employer-sponsored coverage at between 3 million and 5 million. He said 23 million Americans are “out of work” when the actual number of jobless is much lower. He claimed half of all college grads this year can’t find work, when, in fact, an AP story said half either were jobless or underemployed. And he again said Obama “cut” $716 billion from Medicare, a figure that actually reflects a 10-year target for slowing Medicare spending, which will continue to grow.

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Romney takes his debate talking points from Factcheck.org.

Goes down list of untruths one by one and repeats them in front of 40 million debate viewers. Will anyone besides Obama step up and tell America about this guys lies?

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