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MellowDem

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July 1, 2013

No, dogma is born...

In faith. Only faith allows leaders of religion to set down supposedly objective truths with no evidence and requires no critical inquiry.

July 1, 2013

Telling them your opinion is fact...

is a form of manipulation to take advantage of their lack of cognitive ability to instill what you want them to believe. Manipulating vulnerable minds for for one's own benefit or based on a delusion is always shameful IMHO.

July 1, 2013

Propositions I hold to be true are beliefs...

Not the proposition itself. Evolution is not a belief. Many people do not hold evolution to be true, its just a peoposition on its own. Theism is a belief, but god is not a belief. God is the propositon, theism is the belief. We don't have words for all beliefs of all propositions.

July 1, 2013

Pre-judging a group is bigotry...

Judging a stated belief, and those who hold it, is not. There is no pre-judging going on. Whatever the words history, it includes prejudice today. Religions are, by definition stated beliefs, and those who label themselves with particular belief systems hold themselves out as such, usually very dishonestly though.

Culture is so vague a term I find it useless. But generally, I see it defined by a mix of things one can choose and things one cannot choose. Aspects of culture are definitely a choice in that definition.

July 1, 2013

I trust the sincerity more of any belief

That is arrived at through skeptical inquiry rather than indoctrination and faith.

I've posted stats on here before about indoctrination, plenty of evidence of it. Indeed, most pastors engage in indoctrination themselves every day, even of children. They tell others as fact that god is real and what god says. It's part and parcel of the job.

July 1, 2013

Non-sequiter

Women in religion does nothing to address the point that religious texts that claim to have the perfect word of god cannot be amended.

Ignoring the text undermines the central claim of the religion.

I know some shamans and healers to this day kill others based on demon possession, or diagnose illnesses based on nothing. All religion is based on the same flawed premise, which can and does lead to harm.

July 1, 2013

Like I said...

I see plenty of intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance in regards to horribly misogynistic texts. No blinders here. I'd say progressive religion based on these texts, on the other hand, requires redacting a lot of the text.

July 1, 2013

Where?

One can believe or not believe in evolution. No where does the quote say evolution is a belief.

July 1, 2013

Of course it's my opinion...

And it's also my opinion that words have meaning, so no, criticizing Republicans for their beliefs isn't bigotry. Bigotry requires pre-judging. Criticizing stated beliefs or those who hold them is not bigotry, by definition. You know their beliefs beforehand, indeed, knowledge is the basis of your judgment. Yes, the word bigotry is butchered everywhere to the point of being useless, but I'm trying to distinguish between attacking someone for being gay and attacking someone for ideas they hold and promote, because I believe it's a meaningful difference.

Yes, some claim religion is akin to ethnicity or culture, but it's not, definitionally. Yes, some people lump religion in with culture or race or some other group, but they're the ones using it wrong not the other way around.

And yes, by definition, religion is a choice. Religion is a belief system. There are many belief systems. Choice is the mental process of choosing one. A person has the ability to change their beliefs, and everyone does, every day, on a whole host of beliefs. I myself do. Lots of proof. If religion isn't a choice, then neither is any other belief, like political beliefs, and therefore all criticism of Republicans on this site is akin to criticizing homosexuals for being "unclean". It's nonsense what you're proposing.

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