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July 2, 2013

Statistics...

And the official creeds of the beliefs are filled with indoctrination. Heck, they often require the parent to vow to indoctrinate in baptismal ceremonies. For the believers that don't indoctrinate, good, but they're a tiny minority.

Jesuits do not epitomize skeptical inquiry at all. Apologetics and poor logic is not skepticism. Do you know that a Jesuit is Pope right now, and that he's a misogynist and considers efforts to legalize gay marriage the work of the devil? Wow, real skeptic there. He believes in the freakin' devil, and THIS is the epitome of skepticism? Really? You want to back that up?

I find it insulting in the face of all the evidence that you can honestly claim data doesn't show that indoctrination and cultural coercion is the primary way religion is spread. Why is it that the vast majority of Christians born to Christian parents and raised Christian remain Christian? Or Islam, or most any religion. You ignore this fact like the plague.

Why is Iran nearly 99 percent Muslim? Surely not everyone over there is engaging in critical enquiry as an adult and all coming to the same conclusion.... Or do you believe they are?

People's beliefs do impact me in the real world. Did you know religious beliefs are the main reason people oppose choice in abortion in my state? Or gay marriage? Your feigned ignorance is insulting once again. In my state, people's religious beliefs impact what is taught in fucking public school. Are you honestly that staggeringly naive? Many religious people have dangerous, stupid as shit beliefs, and they make up majorities in parts of this nation and around the world. Are you becoming aware of this just now? Do you know where a lot of misogyny comes from and continues to be supported? Yes, religion impacts the world, and has huge impacts even on those who don't believe. THAT is why I make a huge deal out of it. Just like I do ANY belief, political, religious, etc.

And drop your straw men bullshit. I never said that believers are sick and lying etc. etc. Do you have any sort of relevant point or argument? Or more straw men to attack and more points to avoid?

July 1, 2013

Any with prejudice in it...

Since its impossible to prejudge beliefs.

July 1, 2013

Yes, telling them there is not a god as fact is no better...

I'd tell my children what I believe and why, and that it's my opinion, and I'd tell them what others believe and why, I'd try to educate them on most of the major religions since they will be better prepared for the real world.

I don't think all religious people are delusional, I think most see through it, which is where the intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance kick in. I think everyone engages in both of these, religious or not, but religion promotes it indirectly.

I wouldn't say all ways the world is perceived is equally valid in my opinion, and explain why I prefer skeptical inquiry to faith based beliefs, for example. I wouldn't say my way was the only way according to some objective unprovable truth. I'd encourage them to question everything, including me and my ideas and opinions.

July 1, 2013

How does one prejudge a belief...

One must know a belief to judge it. Even if a person misattributes the belief to another group, it's not a pre judgment of the belief, and the judgment of the mislabeled group is simply a mistake, not a prejudgment.

Even if a person misunderstands a belief, and judges it on that understanding, it's still a mistake, and not a pre-judgment. Remember that a belief is the proposition something is true. Indeed, if a person says that they believe black people are inferior, how is it possible for my judgment of that belief to be a pre-judgment? Beliefs can be prejudicial. Judgments of beliefs cannot.

July 1, 2013

No, dogma is born...

In faith. Only faith allows leaders of religion to set down supposedly objective truths with no evidence and requires no critical inquiry.

July 1, 2013

Telling them your opinion is fact...

is a form of manipulation to take advantage of their lack of cognitive ability to instill what you want them to believe. Manipulating vulnerable minds for for one's own benefit or based on a delusion is always shameful IMHO.

July 1, 2013

Propositions I hold to be true are beliefs...

Not the proposition itself. Evolution is not a belief. Many people do not hold evolution to be true, its just a peoposition on its own. Theism is a belief, but god is not a belief. God is the propositon, theism is the belief. We don't have words for all beliefs of all propositions.

July 1, 2013

Pre-judging a group is bigotry...

Judging a stated belief, and those who hold it, is not. There is no pre-judging going on. Whatever the words history, it includes prejudice today. Religions are, by definition stated beliefs, and those who label themselves with particular belief systems hold themselves out as such, usually very dishonestly though.

Culture is so vague a term I find it useless. But generally, I see it defined by a mix of things one can choose and things one cannot choose. Aspects of culture are definitely a choice in that definition.

July 1, 2013

I trust the sincerity more of any belief

That is arrived at through skeptical inquiry rather than indoctrination and faith.

I've posted stats on here before about indoctrination, plenty of evidence of it. Indeed, most pastors engage in indoctrination themselves every day, even of children. They tell others as fact that god is real and what god says. It's part and parcel of the job.

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