You are correct. Bernie has started a movement, and this movement will continue after he will have

left the political scene, whether he wins the presidency this November or not.

Furthermore, Elizabeth Warren has a similar following, although she is not so much encouraging them
at this moment. I believe she doesn't want to draw attention away from Bernie's presidential campaign
right now.

After November, or earlier if Bernie does not win the primaries, I hope both groups will unite. Bernie
and Elizabeth are so much alike in their political, economic and humanitarian views. This union will
strengthen them, and I hope they will take quick action. Our whole nation needs to reform -- and needs
it very badly. To me it looks like the democracy we have always known is on its last legs. We can't go
on much longer like this. And more and more people are finally becoming aware of the situation.

I am rooting for the both of them.

Just saw on Fox News at 11:25 A.M.: 6% of Americans trust the news media - about the same number as

those who trust Congress! The last I heard, it was 9% that trusted Congress. This was some months ago.
The number must have come down still further.

And Fox News is (in my opinion) one of the main causes of the lack of trust in the news media. Are they
openly admitting this? Does this mean that they might be thinking of changing their style? It might be
good for their business if more people trusted them, wouldn't it? Money talks, right?

I watch Fox News once in a blue moon, and for about 5 minutes or so. Glad that I caught this one.

iT'S probably a question of timing. He is doing a lot of work, practically non-stop. I

wonder how a 74-year-old guy has that much energy. He needs to win the
presidency first, and then he and Elizabeth Warren will be working together
hard to get more Progressives into Congress. Then they will be able to get
the ball really rolling and make those reforms.

The Republicans will be blocking him all the way, as they are doing with
Obama.

Hillary will probably help elect more Third-Way Democrats. We have too many of them already. We

need more Progressives. Without more Progressives there will be no reform in the Dem. Party -- only
more status quo. I think that's one of the reasons why Bernie is doing what he does.

You are quite correct. I hope Sanders wins. If he does not win, he and Elizabeth Warren will have

started a Movement to reform the corrupt and degenerate group that the Democratic
Establishment has become. They are too much under the sway and influence of that
Great Corrupter -- Wall Street.

This Movement will be taken over by others, and will continue the needed reforms
after Warren and Sanders will have left the political scene. It's here to stay.

Welcome back. This time to stay!!!

What, at heart, is the Republican Political Agenda? The only thing of importance to them is money,

and the power that goes with money, the power that can be bought through bribery and other
methods of corruption. They will use all means, both fair and foul, to get ever more money,
which, among other things, they will use to subjugate the rest of the country. They are trying
to become the royalty and nobility of ancient times, and make the rest of the American people
their servants and serfs - their property. In short, the goals of Republicans and Corporate Big
Business are one and the same.

Would they dare to openly say this in public? Of course not. Even they are not that stupid!
They are already stupid enough to try going back to feudal times to begin with. Quite a few have
already tried, and all of them have eventually lost - however successful their beginnings might
have been.

So what do they talk about, during political debates for example, in order to win over supporters
to their side? They seem to concentrate on trying to ruin the reputations of their opponents.
Digging up personal dirt, and inventing lies while doing so are not beyond them.

Above all they must avoid discussing the national, economic and political issues that are facing
our nation. Why so? Because they basically have nothing to offer the American people! in fact,
all they are interested in is taking away ever more from them. And this truth they must never
let out. It must remain hidden.

So, how do Republicans handle this situation? They are coming out with ever more propaganda
and lies. Oddly enough, I must say that they are quite successful with this. They have nearly
half of the voting people in this nation fooled. Yes, nearly half of our people are actually
supporting them!

Of all the presidential candidates today, Bernie Sanders is the only one who is emphasizing the
political issues facing our country at the present time.

Go figure!

By now just about everybody knows about the Dem. Establishment's Rigged Elections. It's not

simply an occasional local happening, it covers all 50 states, plus the Territories. It is nationwide!
Does anybody still doubt what happened in Arizona, Nevada, and now Wyoming?

What are the Sanders people doing about Wyoming, Arizona, Nevada? The Dem. Establishment
does the vote-counting, and the Dem. Establishment people are apparently beholden to Clinton.
I don't doubt that, if it weren't for the voter and election frauds, Sanders would be winning by
even larger percentages in many states.

From their behavior, it has become obvious that Third Way Democrats are more like Republicans
than Democrats.

Bernie and his supporters have got to fight back, and with vigor. I think we ought to demand
a re-election in all those states where there is proof of election or voter fraud.

This bullshit has got to stop, and the practitioners of fraud brought to court. Anything less than
this, and they will just continue their fraudulent practices, and they will "WIN."

Large numbers of members of both the Democratic and Republican parties are becoming aware

that their Establishment Party people have become mesmerized by, and fallen prey to, the
temptations of the corrupt Corporate Power (also known as "Wall Street&quot people. There is a heavy
price being paid for this, of course; and among them is the loss of freedom -- they must follow the
dictates of Wall Street.

After 3+ decades of the above, with the noose of Wall Street getting ever tighter around their necks,
these members can't take it any more. But their Party Establishment leaders refuse to change. They
prefer to maintain the status quo, because the profit in it for them is too enticing and irresistible.

Many members of both Parties have had it. Enough is enough. And they are leaving their Parties
by the droves. Some statisticians lump these into the general category of "Independents," and this
unaffiliated group of people have become the largest - bigger by far than either of the two major
parties.

Others have also benefitted from these discontented former major party members -- the sub-groups
within the major parties: (a) the Progressive Democrats led by Bernie Sanders, and (b) the nominally
Republican group led by the quite independent and totally erratic Donald Trump. One never knows
what he will say or do next - not even he, himself. He is the beloved favorite of the Tea Partiers.

Right now I see 6 major political factions:

1. The Corporate Power (or "Wall Street&quot . They have done very well in controlling much of the nation
through bribery and corruption. They have a strong foothold in both the Republican and Democratic
Party Establishments.

2. The Republican Party Establishment.

3. The sub-group of the Republican Party led by Donald Trump.

4. The Democratic Party Establishment.

5. The Progressive Democrats led by Bernie Sanders.

6. The Independents.

Our present national situation: We are in the gutter - politically, economically and morally. The GDP has
risen lately, but most of the wealth has been systematically going into the pockets of the Super-rich,
also known briefly as the "1%." Actually it's closer to 0.1 percent. The lower 90% is earning less per
year, even though the cost of living is rising. The middle-class is slowly being killed off, and the ranks
of the poor are increasing, and some of them are dying slowly from want.

Corporate Power people operate mainly by pulling strings from behind the scenes. They are the cause
of maintaining the flow of wealth into the pockets of the relatively few Super-rich.

Both Republican and Democratic Establishment leaders agree with the Corporate Power people (with
some minor differences in degree), and do their best to help them maintain the status quo.

Progressives, Donald Trump, and Independents largely disagree with the above three. They want
change, although the changes they want are not necessarily the same. And some are not sure of what
changes they want.

Corporations have the wealth. The three last-mentioned groups have the numbers.

We must bear in mind that the middle-classes form the back-bone of any nation. When there are too
few of them, the nation begins to fall. There are two main classes of what might be described as "work,"
a. Services. b. production of materials. The middle-classes are the ones who produce the work as well
as the ideas for producing new materials and services.

Corporate people produce no work of their own. What they do is to manipulate money, and the new ideas
they produce is making sure how to manipulate that money so that most of it will end up in their own
pockets -- and if the majority will have to suffer and some of them will have to die, so be it! As long as
they can make the profits - and with the profits come their power - the power of bribery and corruption.
It's the only thing that matters to them.

After decades of our going down the drain, things are coming to a head. The majority of the people
can't take this "status quo" any longer. They want change. But the Corporate Power people and their
followers are doing what they can to maintain the "status quo." Many of their top leaders are sociopaths,
and sociopaths are incapable of change.

I think we are now at a stage, where something has got to give. And how things will turn out is anybody's
guess. Just take a look at the 6 political factions mentioned above. They could make things very complicated,
couldn't they? Whether we like it or not, I believe change is coming. Too many of the people are sick and
tired of the "status quo." Some are even dying. It's only a question of time.

Here's a summary on "Sociopathy" from one of my earliest posts:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5857327