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A bookstore gets it right.

Sometimes a Republican says something very, very true...

Evil comes in both black AND white...

Difference between insanity and religion

Rep. Pete Stark Issues National Day of Reason Proclamation

The American Humanist Association and the Secular Coalition for America are pleased that U.S. Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA) has officially recognized the National Day of Reason by issuing a proclamation in the House of Representatives. The National Day of Reason, to be observed on May 3, is an alternative to the congressionally endorsed National Day of Prayer.

The proclamation states, in part, “Our nation faces many problems—bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, creating jobs, educating our children, and protecting our safety net from irresponsible cuts. We will solve these issues through the application of reason. We must also protect women’s reproductive choices, the integrity of scientific research, and our public education system from those who would hide behind religious dogma to undermine them.” To view the full text of the proclamation, click here.

“Reason should be the guiding force for public policy,” said Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association. “The National Day of Prayer excludes millions of Americans who choose not to pray or prefer keeping prayer private. Reason is something that everyone can celebrate.”

http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2012/05/rep-pete-stark-issues-national-day-of-reason-proclamation/

Let's get down to brass tacks, shall we?

As a non-believer, I make no claims or assertions about the world or the universe, other than to ask for believers to present evidence that their beliefs actually exist in reality and not just in their imaginations.

As religious believers, of whatever flavor or stripe, it is assumed that you actually believe in something "supernatural", meaning it exists outside of the natural world we inhabit.

If this is the case, then how is is that you can convince us non-believers that your beliefs merit any more consideration or respect than say Fred Phelps, or Pat Robertson, or ANY other believer, if you are unable to convince us that your beliefs have any basis in reality at all?

I'm the end, from our perspective, your beliefs, whatever they may be, if not supported by reality and evidence, are just as nonsensical as any other, including the beliefs that YOU find nonsensical.


This, IMO, is where the first discussion MUST take place, for this is about where the line is drawn between reality and imagination. Until we have THIS discussion, how can you expect is to give anything else you have to say that is based on your beliefs, any consideration?


Thoughts?
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