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To which I would respond Blacks were given NOTHING:

James Baldwin debates William F. Buckley Jr. at Cambridge University | The Resolution: “Is the American Dream at the expense of the American Negro?”

Transcript and comment:

Baldwin goes on to eloquently state the affirmative in what has to be one of the most encompassing and moving soliloquies I have ever heard. Excerpts follow, but do not sell yourselves short, watch it in its entirety:

“The white South African or Mississippi sharecropper or Alabama sheriff has at bottom a system of reality which compels them really to believe when they face the Negro that this woman, this man, this child must be insane to attack the system to which he owes his entire identity.”

“In the case of the American Negro, from the moment you are born every stick and stone, every face, is white. Since you have not yet seen a mirror, you suppose you are, too. It comes as a great shock around the age of 5, 6, or 7 to discover that the flag to which you have pledged allegiance, along with everybody else, has not pledged allegiance to you. It comes as a great shock to see Gary Cooper killing off the Indians, and although you are rooting for Gary Cooper, that the Indians are you.”

“From a very literal point of view, the harbors and the ports and the railroads of the country—the economy, especially in the South—could not conceivably be what they are if it had not been (and this is still so) for cheap labor. I am speaking very seriously, and this is not an overstatement: I picked cotton, I carried it to the market, I built the railroads under someone else’s whip for nothing. For nothing.”

"The Southern oligarchy which has still today so very much power in Washington, and therefore some power in the world, was created by my labor and my sweat and the violation of my women and the murder of my children. This in the land of the free, the home of the brave.”

“Sheriff Clark in Selma, Ala., cannot be dismissed as a total monster; I am sure he loves his wife and children and likes to get drunk. One has to assume that he is a man like me. But he does not know what drives him to use the club, to menace with the gun and to use the cattle prod. Something awful must have happened to a human being to be able to put a cattle prod against a woman’s breasts. What happens to the woman is ghastly. What happens to the man who does it is in some ways much, much worse. Their moral lives have been destroyed by the plague called color.”

“It is a terrible thing for an entire people to surrender to the notion that one-ninth of its population is beneath them. Until the moment comes when we, the Americans, are able to accept the fact that my ancestors are both black and white, that on that continent we are trying to forge a new identity, that we need each other, that I am not a ward of America, I am not an object of missionary charity, I am one of the people who built the country—until this moment comes there is scarcely any hope for the American dream. If the people are denied participation in it, by their very presence they will wreck it. And if that happens it is a very grave moment for the West.”


The video is long, but worth it to hear all that Baldwin says to Buckley:

James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)

Published on Oct 27, 2012

Historic debate between James Baldwin v. William F. Buckley Jr. at Cambridge University on the question: "Is the American Dream at the expense of the American Negro?"

Heaven Knows... (VIDEO):

K&R for Awareness.

Hey, you rich men saying the poor don't deserve water... Listen up:

Wake up kid
Its half past you think
Nothings really changing but the date
You a grand slammer but you no Babe Ruth
You gotta learn how to relate
You'll be swinging for the pearly gates
Ohh I got all answers, lo and behold
You got the right key baby but the wrong key hole, yo

Well I woke up this morning
On the wrong side of the bed
And how I got to thinkin'
About all those things you said
About ordinary people
And how they make you sick
And if callin' names kicks back on you
Then I hope this does the trick

'Cause I'm sick of your complainin'
About how many bills
And I'm sick of all your bitchin'
'Bout your poodles and your pills
And I just can't see no humor
About your way of life
And I think I can do more for you
With this here fork and knife

Eat The Rich
There's only one thing that they are good for
Eat The Rich
Take one bite now - come back for more
Eat The Rich
I gotta get this off my chest
Eat The Rich
Take one bite now - spit out the rest

So I called up my head shrinker
And I told him what I'd done
He said you best go on a diet
Yeah, I hope you have some fun
And a don't go burst the bubble
On rich folks who get rude
'Cause you won't get in no trouble
When you eats that kinda food

Now they're smokin' up their junk bonds
And then they go get stiff
And they're dancin' in the yacht club
With Muff and uncle Biff
But there's one good thing that happens
When you toss your pearls to swine
Their attitudes may taste like shit
But go real good with wine

Eat The Rich
There's only one thing that they are good for
Eat The Rich
Take one bite now - come back for more
Eat The Rich
I gotta get this off my chest
Eat The Rich
Take one bite now - spit out the rest

Believe in all the good things
That money just can't buy
Then you won't get no bellyache
From eatin' humble pie
I believe in rags to riches
Your inheritance won't last
So take your Gray poupon my friend
And shove it up your ass

Eat The Rich
There's only one thing that they are good for
Eat The Rich
Take one bite now - come back for more
Eat The Rich
I gotta get this off my chest
Eat The Rich
Take one bite now - spit out the rest

Eat The Rich
There's only one thing that they are good for
Eat The Rich
Take one bite now - come back for more
Eat The Rich
Don't stop me now, I'm goin' crazy
Eat The Rich
That's my idea of a good time baby

~ Aerosmith

Remember this quote:

If they took all the drugs, nicotine, alcohol and caffeine off the market for six days, they'd have to bring out the tanks to control you.

~ Dick Gregory

So well expressed, just getting around to telling you. Powerful words there:

The contempt, condescension, malevolence and malice on daily display at this 'liberal and progressive site' are nothing short of astonishing, not to say alarming.

Oh, look, here she is with another bad guy:

Oh, good gosh, another:

And NWO woo has its own forum.

K&R, just as I did for him, I got her back:

Pat Robertson! Said Katrina was a judgement on NOLA and that the Haitians signed on with the Devil!

So that's why bad things happen. Falwell has also got that 'grandfatherly' routine going for him, too.

This really appeals to the Reagan generation, the affection for old men who are grouchy or bizarre. It was evident in the intense loyalty to Ron Paul.

I don't 'get' these folks who need a daddy figure, but it's said the Germans were looking for one with Adolf, too. A person who would be a 'strong man' to fight their enemies for them.

They made up many more enemies than they had, and in the end, Adolf said because the Allies were winning as they closed in on Berlin, the German people deserved to die.

So they were enemies. He ordered they fight to the death as they had failed him and were not worthy:

German casualties, etc. in the Battle of Berlin were estimated to be:

92,000–100,000 killed, 220,000 wounded and 480,000 captured.[12]

And inside the Berlin Defence Area:

About 22,000 military and 22,000 civilian dead.


Nice daddy.

Thanks. And she soon was working on impeaching Nixon.

That would have made a huge difference in our nation since then.

The people in the Senate were being surveilled by the Nixon administration in 1972 to obstruct and intimidate them. I saw the hearings and saw as Senator Gravel read the text of The Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record to protect the evidence.

Nixon was seeking to stop the release of what he was doing in Indochina (as it was called then) and to indict NYT reporters and Daniel Ellsberg but in the end, they failed:


We rejoiced that day. The Senate Judiciary of which Clinton was a part, stood firm in the face of outright threats and coercion, and it was their Watergate Judiciary hearings that helped provide evidence for indicting these men:

* John N. Mitchell – former United States Attorney General and director of Nixon's 1968 and 1972 election campaigns; faced a maximum of 30 years in prison and $42,000 in fines; on February 21, 1975, Mitchell was found guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury and sentenced to two and a half to eight years in prison, which was later reduced to one to four years; Mitchell actually served 19 months.

* H. R. Haldeman – White House chief of staff, considered the second most powerful man in the government during Nixon's first term; faced a maximum of 25 years in prison and $16,000 in fines; in 1975, he was convicted of conspiracy and obstruction of justice and received an 18-month prison sentence.

* John Ehrlichman – former assistant to Nixon in charge of domestic affairs; faced a maximum of 25 years in prison and $40,000 in fines. Ehrlichman was convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, perjury and other charges; he served 18 months in prison.

* Charles Colson – former White House counsel specializing in political affairs; pleaded nolo contendere on June 3, 1974 to one charge of obstruction of justice, having persuaded prosecution to change the charge from one of which he believed himself innocent to another of which he believed himself guilty, in order to testify freely.;[6] he was sentenced to 1 to 3 years of prison and fined $5,000; Colson served seven months.

* Gordon C. Strachan – White House aide to Haldeman; faced a maximum of 15 years in prison and $20,000 in fines. Charges against him were dropped before trial.

* Robert Mardian – aide to Mitchell and counsel to the Committee to Re-elect the President in 1972; faced 5 years in prison and $5,000 in fines. His conviction was overturned on appeal.[7]

* Kenneth Parkinson – counsel for the Committee to Re-elect the President; faced 10 years in prison and $10,000 in fines. He was acquitted at trial. Although Parkinson was a lawyer, G. Gordon Liddy was in fact counsel for the Committee to Re-elect the President.


*We have the Committee to Re-elect the President to 'thank' for their proven method of dividing Democrats:


The GOP knows Clinton and has worked non-stop on character assassination for over a generation. It has brainwashed millions who simply can't stand her but they are giving into the billionaires that run the GOP, in the end. I will never give into them, in word or deed.

Part of political awareness is to know your enemies. And to be loyal to your friends who have been through the fire for you. It's unfortunate that some dismiss the good that has been done in a fickle way. It does not help the cause one may think it does.

Sanders is a firm supporter of arming Israel, mandatory for conservative Christian voters.

And he is Jewish, which they also prefer for end time prophecy. Falwell was very big on Israel.

Sanders may make the argument that sharing the wealth is what early Xtians did. Rand, Cruz and other conservative candidates have been there.

They produce well trained attorneys to argue against choice, etc. Falwell was against homosexuality and abortion. Their alumni are young zealots employed in Constitutional lawsuits.

This is the generation that is not going anywhere, not leaving conservative life. I expect BS's evangelical style will appeal to people in that community.

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