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How much of has, what Toni Morrison said about Bill Clinton, transfered to Hillary?

Could this be part of Hillary's support in the minority community? Just asking because the 45 years of Hillary bashing must be identified with by other people who get treated poorly everyday.


Now, not being black myself, I'm not the first person you should listen to for the following opinion, but I think many literary critics and scholars of African-American studies would agree that if any author alive today has the authority to speak about the black experience in America, it's Toni Morrison. (Read The Bluest Eye, Beloved, or Song of Solomon to see why.)

Here's what she said in a 1998 article in The New Yorker:

African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President’s body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and body-searched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear: “No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and—who knows?—maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us.”

In part, "the first black president" reflects the fact that Bill Clinton, although white-skinned, has lived a life similar to that of many black men in America. But it's also largely a name that reflects the fact that he, as a successful white man, is nevertheless facing an environment similar to that faced by successful black men, where there is a systemic environmental tendency to demean their accomplishments and latch onto any of their failures, no matter how small. In the case of black men who rise out of poverty or troubled households, it's the system of employers or the business community or law enforcement, who all always treated black men as somehow being more worthy of suspicion or scrutiny; in the case of Clinton it's the system of Congress and (especially) the press, who both relentlessly dogged him for his perceived personal failings in a way no prior president had been dogged.

In short, it's a racial analogy to a now-famous comment made by Hillary Clinton earlier that year on The Today Show:

The great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for President.

OK let's go! It's Veterans day 2015. Less than a year until the General election. Bernie has 25%

to 30% support among Dems. I don't know the amount of Independent or Repub support he has.

You are the campaign manager. Bernie won't take PAC money. He hasn't made inroads to the Minority voter population.

Convince me that I should put my hope in the idea that Bernie will defeat the repubs in Nov 2016.

I don't need to know what his positions are. I want to know how he goes from today to victory against the repubs.

Marginal support in the Dem party
Only a percentage of the money the other side will spend
He has to win the nomination first

How does he win?

Can anyone give me the current amount of the huge corporate donations Hillary has been getting?

This is all the more noble since he is not accepting the huge Corporate donations all the other candidates are receiving.

If you have Sirius XM there is a discussion

on the TPP with Zepher Teachout (sp?)
Station 127 Progress channel
On now also many other progressives

Do I have this right?

Hillary got paid for speeches she gave at Wall Street investment banks. Her campaign received personal donations from employees of Wall Street firms. Wall Street firms gave money to the Clinton Foundation.
Therefore Hillary can't possibly mean any of the things she has been saying during the campaign. Is that what Bernie folks say? Bernie hasn't said anything like that.

I'll be 70 yrs old in May 2016.

Hillary is little over a year younger than me. Bernie is a little over 4 years older than me.
All three of us grew up in lower middle class families. All three of us were aware of the Cold War in the 50's and 60's. We were aware of the Korean War and the Vietnam war. I was in Vietnam. We were aware of the revolutions in Cuba and Latin America. We were aware of the Civil Rights movement. We were aware of the assassinations of John Kennedy and Dr King and Bobby Kennedy. We were aware of the women's movement and the struggle for gay rights.
Having grown up in the same time and the same country is Bernie Sanders we held much the same views all our lives that Bernie has all his life.
I support Hillary because she stands for the same values as I do and they haven't changed all these years.
The picture painted of Hillary and her supporters on this board is a distortion for what ever reason.
Don't even begin to think that you are more socially aware than we are.

Just for fun give us a time line to put in place

the things that Bernie wants and what are the steps to be taken on that time line.
I am curious as to how Bernie's supporters see this happening.

Here is what Bernie's campaign looks like to me at this point.

I think Bernie is finding out that his support is not proactive enough to start the revolution ball rolling.

He said before he ran that he would see if there was enough support to mount a campaign. That was after people finally took Warren at her word that she was not running. Folks switched from Warren to Sanders and he entered the race. I remember him saying that he can't do it alone and that his supporters would have to take the lead. Then came the rallies and it looked like things were going to take off.

In reality his support is looking for a leader and Bernie just isn't that kind of campaigner.

I haven't heard any new Bernie proposals or positions in the past few weeks. Seems everything he has to say has been said. That is why there has been a turning to attacks on Hillary. On this board there haven't been any new news about Bernie's positions. His campaign has been nothing but Hillary smears lately.

The constant referring to history like Bill Clinton's administration or the 2008 campaign as a means to prop up his support may be keeping the faithful together but it isn't changing minds. Now we are back to a pathetic attempt to revive the email scandal.

I think Bernie has given his best shot and it has fallen short.

In the meantime Hillary is still announcing new programs to combat our country's problems.

I will be watching tonight's speeches to see who has anything new to offer.

So is Bernie or bust openly advocating not

voting for the nominee in the general?
Are 1,000,000 pledges to write in Sanders in the general supposed to intimidate us ?

Hillary's negatives vs her lead in polls.

If a poll included a sample of all possible voters then it would include repubs and Bernie supporters who when asked if they trusted Hillary would most likely answer "no."
But in today's poll of only Dems she leads Bernie by 2 to 1.
These two polls would have no correlation because the populations sampled were different.
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