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Covid19 & Rain, Vitamin C, Fels Naptha, Listerine, Cold Water

What does rain do to the corona virus 19?, wash it away, cleanse surfaces like cars, handrails, mailboxes, outside equipment, door handles? or make it worse as it spreads it about? Seems like the former to me, thus perhaps making sense to shop or go about outdoor business shortly after a rain or maybe during it.
Taking vitamin C supplements, to some of us, has been standard practice to ward off or inhibit the flu, and to help maintain or increase immuno efficiency. 250 mg daily, or a full 500 mg tablet. Juice will do it too, but has sugar while tablets do not.
Fels Naptha soap is a strong soap & I wonder if it would deactivate the virus better. Made by purel I thinks. Leave a residue on hands by rinsing only once or twice.
Listerine and other mouthwashes, 25% alcohol, kills mouth bacteria and would help maintain higher immuno efficiency. I read that a 60% alcohol solution is needed to prevent covid19. A 60% alcohol solution is 120 proof and enough to kill some humans in itself if taken in excess. Beer at 6% was taken in middle ages in lieu of water since beer was safer to drink due bacteria killing ability. Why is 25% alcohol mouthwash not recommended?
Does cold water wash work as well as warm water? Why not he asked. Both reduce surface tension with soap, and one wonders whether warm water enhances survival etc..

PS: and do away with lengthy drive in tests for covid19, they are asinine imo. On tv last night said hundreds of cars waiting hours to get a drive thru test swabbing. Idling cars use 1/2 gallon gas per hour, all those cars creeping bumper to bumper for hours creates noxious exhaust fumes which people breathe, add pollution to global warming. Replace with parking lots and walk ins - give incoming cars and people a 'ticket' with a number on it and move up to a room or tent as the number comes up and is flashed on a large screen.
Posted by jimmy the one | Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:04 AM (0 replies)

February Showers bring March Flowers

Thanks to climate change global warming the old adage needs be revised, eh?

SEATTLE -- January might usually be a rainy month around here, but it's never been quite this rainy before.
With yet another rainy day on Jan. 31, Seattle has now notched measurable rain on 28 of the 31 days this month -- tying the record for most days in a month with measurable rain with the 28 days of rain in January 2006 and January 1953.

The new year kicked off with a balmy start for the U.S., making January 2020 the fifth warmest January on record. All 48 contiguous states saw above- to much-above-average temperatures last month. January was also quite damp for the Lower 48 and ranked in the wettest third of the 126-year climate record.

Last month, much-above-average wetness was observed across the Pacific Northwest as well as portions of the central and southern U.S. Washington state experienced its fourth-wettest January, while Oklahoma saw its sixth wettest on record.

Posted by jimmy the one | Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:59 AM (0 replies)

Webster's 1828 dictionary: Misdemeanor

Daniel Webster (edit, oops, Noah!), 1828, provides proof that a misdemeanor was not necessarily a crime:

MISDEME'ANOR, noun Ill behavior; evil conduct; fault; mismanagement.

1. In law, an offense of a less atrocious nature than a crime.
Crimes and misdemeanors are mere synonymous terms; but in common {1825} usage, the word crime is made to denote offenses of a deeper and more atrocious dye, while small faults and omissions of less consequence are comprised under the gentler name of misdemeanors


High: 34. Great; capital; committed against the king, sovereign or state; as high treason, distinguished from petty treason, which is committed against a master or other superior.

It seems it would have been incorrect to refer to a misdemeanor as a 'high misdemeanor' as some during impeachment took it, as 'high crimes and high misdemeanors', since saying a 'high smaller fault of less consequence' would be sort of oxymoronic - compare with jumbo shrimp.
Addendum - jumbo shrimp is not really an oxymoron, when intending shrimp as being the shell fish. George Carlin wrong.

CRIME, noun [Latin , Gr. , to separate, to judge, to decree, to condemn.]
1. An act which violates a law, divine or human; an act which violates a rule of moral duty; an offense against the laws of right, prescribed by God or man, or against any rule of duty plainly implied in those laws. A crime may consist in omission or neglect, as well as in commission, or positive transgression. The commander of a fortress who suffers the enemy to take possession by neglect, is as really criminal, as one who voluntarily opens the gates without resistance.
But in a more common and restricted sense, a crime denotes an offense, or violation of public law, of a deeper and more atrocious nature; a public wrong; or a violation of the commands of God, and the offenses against the laws made to preserve the public rights; as treason, murder, robbery, theft, arson, etc.
The minor wrongs committed against individuals or private rights, are denominated trespasses, and the minor wrongs against public rights are called misdemeanors.
Crimes and misdemeanors are punishable by indictment, information or public prosecution; trespasses or private injuries, at the suit of the individuals injured. But in many cases an act is considered both as a public offense and a trespass, and is punishable both by the public and the individual injured.
2. Any great wickedness; iniquity; wrong.
Posted by jimmy the one | Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:05 AM (2 replies)

footstick alert: Lindsey Graham uses 'impunity' back ass-wards

I really appreciate President Trump letting the world know you cannot kill an American without impunity," Graham said https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pelosi-demands-briefing-us-iran-strike-graham-trump/story?id=68049245

Lindsey Graham misused the meaning of 'impunity', obviously getting it back asswards.
Properly said it would've been 'you cannot kill an american with impunity'. That is, you cannot kill an american and be exempt from punishment.
What graham wrote is saying - you cannot kill an american without 'being exempt from punishment'.
Cancelling out the double negatives 'cannot' and 'without' transforming them into 'with' & 'can', it becomes 'you can kill an american with impunity', or 'you can kill an american with freedom from punishment'.
Wow, and we thought suleimani was bad.
My memory aid for 'wrong' is: Without compunction and with impunity. Is why I caught it. Bravo me.
Figured I'd see some talking heads like rachel or ari or wolf or chris catch it, but nope.

impunity: exemption or freedom from punishment, harm, or loss
laws were flouted with impunity

Exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action.
‘the impunity enjoyed by military officers implicated in civilian killings’


Or is it lindsay with an A. Like I care. Nicki Haley and Lindsey should get married. Formerly halfway decent repubs now brainwashed into stoogedom by a hypocritical bloviating windbag.
Posted by jimmy the one | Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:29 PM (1 replies)

Impeachment Polls are Flawed trump friendly, need a tertium quid

Binary impeachment polls are flawed and undercut support for impeachment. A binary poll proffers only 2 options: 1) Impeach & remove, or, 2) Do not Impeach. Neither of these options is WHAT WILL HAPPEN or would have happened when the binary polls were conducted, which is 3) Impeach but do not remove.
The house has now impeached trump, but a mortal lock the senate will acquit. Pollsters should be fired or demoted for not including the 3rd option (tertium quid = 3rd thing) and presenting only binary polls. Imagine a push poll asking 1) do you support banning all guns? or, 2) not banning all guns? crass misreprentation without option 3) = ban assault rifles.

To a republican respondent, binary polls ask either 1) remove trump, or, 2) let trump stay in office. This is why binary polls show repub support for 'no impeachment' at 95%, misleading since they don't want to remove their sacred cow.
The fox news poll ~dec 15, 2019 (& previous similar fox results) with the 3rd option included, had 50 - 4 - 41 result, for a 54% impeach 41% no impeach result. Repubs split off about 10% (4 pct pts) from the 95% standard support, to vote 'impeach but do not remove' - allowing conscientious repubs a way to 'punish' trump for what they thought was wrong, without removing him.
It is moot now after actual impeachment, since subsequent polls will only ask 'should trump be removed' by senate.


'No opinion' results should not necessarily be ignored. No opinion is subcategorized as 1) don't know 2) don't care 3) undecided. Amish are 'don't know' since they do not follow politics (much). Consider though 'don't care' results. If they were asked 'should trump be impeached' and answer is 'don't care' that does not help trump at all. Doesn't help schiff either but hurts trump more.
No opinion results could be added on to both sides, caveated as 'do not oppose impeachment' and 'do not support impeachment'.

Oxford dictionary: tertium quid A third thing that is indefinite and undefined but is related to two definite or known things.
Posted by jimmy the one | Thu Dec 19, 2019, 12:17 PM (1 replies)

Real Clear Politics Trump Approval Poll Avg, is badly skewed pro trump

The real clear politics (RCP) trump approval average is padded pro trump, in a couple ways.

Firstly, the RCP average includes Rasmussen, which is not quality polling, it cheats. Rasmussen persistently pads trump approval daily by 4 to 10 points (proof below), over the average of reputable polls.
Rasmussen is also included in every single RCP poll average. Rasmussen never drops out of the average, its padded results are always included. Most all other reputable polls are included only about half the time.
This is because Real Clear Politics Poll Average has a 'dropback' period of approximately 15 days, whereby polls which were conducted prior to the ~15 day dropback, are not included in the RCP average. IE: on October 15, all polls conducted before October 1 would be dropped off the RCP average, and only polls with a date between Oct 1 and 15th would be included. Since most all reputable polls are usually conducted only once a month or longer, their inputs can be excluded about half the time, from the RCP average.

Rasmussen however, is a 3 day tracking poll, where it averages its most recent 2 days results with the current days result, and then presents a 'brand new' poll every day, which RCP duplicitously counts as a daily new poll date which enables rasmussen be included in every RCP polling average, since rasmussen never drops out of the dropback. (rasmussen does not post Sat or Sunday, but this is only a 2 day delay which keeps it well within the 15 day dropback).

The net effect is the trump-padded rasmussen poll result is worth about twice what more reputable polls are worth, in the RCP average.
Since the RCP trump approval poll includes about 10 polls, rasmussens skewing does not greatly alter the average, but even so the RCP average should be adjusted by subtracting 0.5 to 1.5 points, due the rasmussen padding affect.
Harris, somehow linked to rasmussen with too often similar results, i have noticed cleverly posts a trump approval poll about every 18 days or so, which enables them to be included in the rcp average inordinately higher than more reputable polls such as gallup, quinnipiac, pew, Reuters, abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc, ppp, fox, cnn. Harris not as bad as Rasmussen tho.
I suspect there are more disreputable right wing polls other than just rasmussen, included in RCP avgs..

Rasmussen strategically pads its polls, a transparent attempt to avoid being cast as too partisan. It will pad trump while counter padding other republicans (generally in races either forlorn hopes or way out ahead).
Rasmussen was the worst of polls in 2000 bush v gore, having gwbush winning by 9 pts whereas gore won popular vote by 0.5 pts. It also had significantly higher results for most republican congressional races. Rasmussen realized then that it lost credibility &, spurred by gwbushs 'win', tightened up & produced some fairly accurate results in following presidential races. But do not be fooled, rasmussen is a right wing pro trump poll padder extraordinaire.

Nate silver's 538 pollster rating gives rasmussen a C+, which is also misleading as a C+ rating is in the lower 50% of all pollsters, and since rass shares the C+ with dozens of other polls it is not a good score. Rass is biased Republican by 1.5:

Five Thirty Eight - method - total - avg error- % corrrect - grade - bias
Rasmussen IVR/online ....... 711........ 5.3 ..... 78%.......C+ .. R+1.5
ABC News/WashPost Live...... 60 ....... 2.9 ..... 78% .........A+ .. D+0.6
Quinnipiac ....... Live......... 195 ........4.6 .......85% ......... A- .. D+0.1
NBC News/WSJ ... Live .........27 ........4.2 .......72% .........A- .. D+0.8

Note that 538 above relies heavily on whether a poll is conducted by a 'Live' person rather than online or C.R.A.P. polling as rasmussen is, which stands for Computer Responsive Automated Polling (ring ring, hello, 18? press 1 for trump 2 for hillary thank you bye), aka IVR or interactive voice response, and or online polling which is less scientific than live polling. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
Categories can be stacked high to low or vv by clicking on the category at top;
Regret to report that online nbc survey monkey is not quality polling either, D- with 4.9 bias dem. It is not included in RCP polling avg, for obvious reasons, while rasmussen is thus RCP is complicit in duplicity.

Below you can see how high rasmussen padded trump during this 3 week interval, compared with other reputable polls:

RCP trump approval ..........samplesize. .......appr - disappr --- spread
Quinnipiac 9/19 - 9/23 1337 RV .................... 40 ....55... -15
Politico/Morning Consult 9/20 - 9/22 1994 RV ...41 ... 55....-14
Reuters/Ipsos 9/16 - 9/17 939..... RV .............. 43 ....55 ....-12
FOX News 9/15 - 9/17 1008......... RV .............45 ....54 .....-9
Rasmussen Reports 9/15 - 9/17 1500 LV ......51 ...48 ....+3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 9/13 - 9/16 900 RV ........45 .. 53 .....-8
Economist/YouGov 9/14 - 9/17 1184 RV ............44 ...53......-9
Politico/Morning Consult 9/13 - 9/16 1994 RV .....43 ...53 ...-10
The Hill/HarrisX 9/11 - 9/12 1000 RV................47 ...53 .....-6
Reuters/Ipsos 9/9 - 9/10 ....992 RV ..................44 .... 53 ....-9
Gallup 9/3 - 9/15 1525 A .................................43 .....54 ...-11


In the RCP link above to trump approval ratings, note that rasmussen is included about every week or two over 1917, 18, & 19 (excepting oct, which hasn't ended yet when I bet they 'reconcile it in more'), whilst other polls included about every month.
Click 'all trump approval polls' or 'more polls' at bottom of list if all polls do not appear. Use your keyboard 'tools' at upper right to click on 'find', enter rasmussen to highlight all its polls. I listed all of trumps 3 years, & rasmussen was represented 129 times, quinn cbs & nbc about 50 or less.
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:26 PM (5 replies)

Contrast Trump's gaffes with Biden's misspeaks

Trump is a gaffe machine who ignores them as if they never were, Joe Biden misspeaks sometimes & apologizes or retracts, as is not abnormal; {a few trump gaffes edited out of links, deemed inappropriate}
Some outtakes from Mr Best Words Man:

{1} Donald Trump confuses Toledo with Dayton, fails to mention Gilroy in mass shooting remarks

{2} 'Democrats can’t find a Smocking Gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia'

{3} ‘.. Clemson Tigers last night at White House .. I served them massive amounts of Fast Food (I paid), over 1000 hamberders
-- to which shaun king remarked: “..Trump said he paid for 300 hamburgers. Now he says it was 1,000. He’s saying each player ate 16 burgers a piece. He lies so much that he’s literally lying about and misspelling the word hamburger.”

{4} ..his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this..

{5} .. Mueller and .. Angry Democrat Thugs spent over 30 hours with the White House Councel,

{6} .. illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special “councel” appointed! (Twice from the best words man)

{7} Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.

{8} official portrait: 'No dream is too big, no challenge is to great' - well he got the first 'too' right.

{9} “Alec Baldwin, whose dieing mediocre career was sav...

{10} twice proves not a typo, but a belief: Sometimes you need protest in order to heel, & we will heel, & be stronger than ever before! Fantastic! Trump uses Shoe Goo!

{11} (trump) got the idea about raking forest floors from talking to the president of Finland. They don't do that in Finland

{12} re calif forest fire town: And what we saw at Pleasure – what a name Pleasure – right now.” At that point somebody interjected him and reminded him it was Paradise, not Pleasure.

new link: 2. “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” July 17, 2015, Family Leadership Summit in Iowa. Trump was referring to Senator John McCain, a former Navy pilot who was tortured during his five-and-a-half years as a POW during the Vietnam war.

3. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.” August 7, 2015, CNN interview about Megyn Kelly, one of Fox News’ moderators in the first Republican debate.

4. “Well I really watch the shows. You really see a lot of great, you know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows, and you have the generals and you have certain people that you like.” Aug16, 2015, “Meet the Press,” trying to name his foreign policy advisors.

5. “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!” Sep9, 2015, Rolling Stone, talking about GOP candidate Carly Fiorina.

6. “It has not been easy for me ... My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars.” Oct 2015, “TODAY” show.

9. “Now the poor guy, you ought to see this guy. ‘Ah, I don’t know what I said! I don’t remember!’” Nov 24, 2015 mocks NY Times reporte Kovaleski, has congenital condition..

10. “I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.” Dec 15, 2015, answering a debate question about his priority in the “nuclear triad,” the three ways (air, land and sea) that nuclear missiles can be launched.

11. “The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,” Dec 2, 2015 “Fox & Friends.”

14. “Two Corinthians, right? Two Corinthians 3:17, that’s the whole ballgame. Where the spirit of the Lord—right?—is, there is liberty!” Feb 18, 2016 Liberty University, citing Bible, Christians call “Second Corinthians.”

15. “So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of ’em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise.” Feb 1, 2016 Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

16. “If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS’s ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened.” Feb 18, 2016 Trump campaign.

17. “Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, okay? I don't know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know.” Feb 28, 2016 CNN, {on} former KKK leader David Duke.

18. “Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!” March 22, 2016

19. “The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.” Mar30, 2016 discussing what should happen to women who procure illegal abortions.

21. “I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.” Apr2016, Buffalo, New York, misidentifying the 9/11 attacks.

22. “His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald’s being — you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. They don’t even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it. I mean, what was he doing — what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death? Before the shooting? It’s horrible.” May 2016 Fox News, repeating unsubstantiated allegations Ted Cruz’s father involved in assassination of John Kennedy.

23. “Happy #CincoDeMayo! The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!”

26. “Look at my African American over here!” June 3, 2016 Redding, California.

27. “Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!” June 24, 2016, tweet by realDonaldTrump from Scotland.

29. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens." July 27, 2016, news conference Florida, encouraging Russia to hack into Hillary Clinton’s emails.

31. “It’s against two NFL games. I got a letter from the NFL saying ‘This is ridiculous.’” July 30, 2016, interview with ABC about presidential debate schedule. NFL categorically denied sending such a letter.

32. “He’s not going into Ukraine, OK? Just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, alright? You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.” July 30, 2016 ABC, referring to Russian Putin, whose 2014 annexation of Crimea proved that he was already in Ukraine.

Donald Trump’s Week of Misrepresentations, Exaggerations and Half-Truths
34. “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” August 2, 2016 Ashburn, Virginia where a supporter presented him with a copy of a medal the veteran had been awarded in Iraq. The Purple Heart is awarded to members of U.S. military who are injured or killed while serving. - Trump always wanted to get the purple heart, thus why he avoided vietnam military service using influence to get deferment;

35. “If [Hillary] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.” August 9, 2016 Wilmington, North Carolina. Many read his remark as a suggestion that opponents of Clinton should take up arms against her if she’s elected president.

36. “ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He founded ISIS. And I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.” August 10, 2016 ABC News.

37. “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58% of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?" Aug 2016 Mich explaining why African Americans should vote for him.

And/Or links:
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Aug 13, 2019, 08:16 AM (14 replies)

Joe Biden is the best candidate 2020

Note: singer's affiliation uncertain
Not all lyrics apply.
Posted by jimmy the one | Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:27 AM (6 replies)

2017, trump reversed rule banning guns to mentally ill

x-posted from gen disc https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017549611

today 2019: Trump says mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton are a ‘mental illness problem’

then 2017: Trump signs bill reversing Obama rule to ban gun purchases by mentally ill

today 2019: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/04/trump-says-hate-has-no-place-in-our-country-after-shootings-in-dayton-and-el-paso.html

then 2017: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/28/trump-sign-bill-blocking-obama-gun-rule/98484106/
Posted by jimmy the one | Fri Aug 9, 2019, 04:10 PM (4 replies)

Is your financial bank pro gun control? don't bank on it

Guns Down America and our partners reviewed public financial and legal filings to determine how much business the nation’s 15 largest banks have conducted with gun manufacturers, the NRA, and the top recipients of NRA contributions in Congress. Based on this information, we have graded the banks on a 100-point scale.

Methodology In the fall of 2018, Guns Down America researched the links between the gun industry and the top 15 consumer-facing banks (by consolidated assets) in the United States.
We reviewed media archives, Securities and Exchange Commission records, campaign finance reports, and internet sources from January 1, 2016 to December 31, 2018 in order to identify relationships and examples of mutual support between the banks, the gun industry, the NRA, and NRA-backed members of Congress. All searches were completed by January 15, 2019.

Grade ........ Bank (duh)
B -- CITI - 84 total points;
C -- HSBC, Suntrust, Ally, Statestreet, Bank of America, Goldman, Bank of NY, Capital One;
F -- Chase, TD Bank, US Bank Corp, Wells Fargo, PNC (oh my godda I use PNC!), BB&T 25 total pts

We sought to identify and evaluate the following:
1 Financial relationships between banks and gun, ammunition, and accessory manufacturers during the last three years;
2 Financial relationships between the banks and the National Rifle Association or Gun Owners of America;
3 Banks that provide special NRA member benefits or participating in product sponsorships
4 Statements made by banks reflecting their public positions on gun violence, gun control policy, or mass violence; and
5 Campaign donations to the NRA’s Million Dollar Members.
All grades are based on a 100-point scale and are calculated by weighing how each bank compares with its competitors.

The point value for this letter grade was derived from three specific categories: 1) financing of the gun industry, 2) ties and policy toward doing business with the gun industry and the NRA, and 3) support for NRA-backed lawmakers.
-- An individual bank can obtain up to 40 points in the “Financing” category.
40 points — If no financing is found
30 points — If a bank invested under $100 million
20 points — If a bank invested between $100 million and $150 million
10 points — If a bank invested between $150 million and $200 million
0 points — If a bank invested over $200 million
-- An individual bank can obtain up to 40 points in the “Policy & Ties” category.
10 points — If a bank provides no benefits to NRA members
10 points — If a bank has no relationship with the NRA or Gun Owners of America
20 points — If a bank has a clear policy on doing business with gun manufacturers
-- An individual bank can obtain up to 10 points in the “Contributions” category.
10 points — If no contributions are found
5 points — If a bank gave less than $40,000
4 points — If a bank gave between $40,000 and $60,000
3 points — If a bank gave between $60,000 and $80,000
0 points — If a bank gave over $80,000

Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:03 AM (0 replies)
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