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July 7, 2025
What now? -- Jennifer Rubin
https://contrarian.substack.com/p/what-now-66cThe worst piece of legislation since the Slave Fugitive Act passed 175 years ago rips a gash in the social safety net, delivers the largest transfer of wealth to the rich in memory, and supercharges a violent, reckless, and cruel deportation machineone which approves of spending tens of billions of dollars to expand the unconstitutional kidnapping, trafficking, and confinement of people whove committed no crime, as Massachusetts Democrat Sen. Elizabeth Warren put it. It strangles our soft power in the world (hollowing out foreign aid, demolishing the State Department); guts investment in science and green energy; and consigns millionsmany of them childrento a life bereft of decent nutrition and medical care. It piles unsustainable, stupefying debt on future generations. In total, the American people will have less access to healthcare, nutrition, education, and economic opportunity.
This MAGA assault on working and middle-class Americans will reverberate for years, if not decades. As dire as that reality is, however, the monstrous legislation also could provide the unity and solidarity Democrats will need to regain power, remove the source of so many Americans suffering, and reform our democracy.
So, what is next?
It is time to stop berating House and Senate Democrats for not doing enough. They did everything humanly possible to oppose the bill, pressure and shame Republicans, educate the public, and unify their ranks. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), and their colleagues (not to mention their indefatigable staffers) challenged and knocked out one measure after another in the so-called Byrd Bath process. They delayed and debated so the full horror of the bill could be covered for days and debated in the light of day, for all Americans to behold. In the House, discipline in the ranks and truly eloquent rhetoric from Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) in a record-setting 8+ hours of debate on Thursday underscored Democrats devotion to ordinary Americans.
Democrats lost this bill because they lost too many seats in 2024. Math is math.
It is time to focus instead on the MAGA culprits. Democrats have a knack for infighting and back-biting. But the mammoth horror inflicted on the United States and the moral and political imperative to reverse it should push to the side less important chatterfor example, focusing on the practicality of Zohran Mamdanis campaign promises as the New York City Democratic nominee. (Hes running for mayor of New York, making him reflective of, well, New York City.)
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This MAGA assault on working and middle-class Americans will reverberate for years, if not decades. As dire as that reality is, however, the monstrous legislation also could provide the unity and solidarity Democrats will need to regain power, remove the source of so many Americans suffering, and reform our democracy.
So, what is next?
It is time to stop berating House and Senate Democrats for not doing enough. They did everything humanly possible to oppose the bill, pressure and shame Republicans, educate the public, and unify their ranks. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), and their colleagues (not to mention their indefatigable staffers) challenged and knocked out one measure after another in the so-called Byrd Bath process. They delayed and debated so the full horror of the bill could be covered for days and debated in the light of day, for all Americans to behold. In the House, discipline in the ranks and truly eloquent rhetoric from Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) in a record-setting 8+ hours of debate on Thursday underscored Democrats devotion to ordinary Americans.
Democrats lost this bill because they lost too many seats in 2024. Math is math.
It is time to focus instead on the MAGA culprits. Democrats have a knack for infighting and back-biting. But the mammoth horror inflicted on the United States and the moral and political imperative to reverse it should push to the side less important chatterfor example, focusing on the practicality of Zohran Mamdanis campaign promises as the New York City Democratic nominee. (Hes running for mayor of New York, making him reflective of, well, New York City.)
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July 7, 2025
Rebecca Schoenkopf
New York By God Times Stole Teenager's Failed College Application And Goddammit It Would DO IT AGAIN
https://www.wonkette.com/p/new-york-by-god-times-stole-teenagersRebecca Schoenkopf
Around these parts, were big fans of Smilin Zohran Mamdani, his policies, his campaign, his purty face and purty wife, and his goddamn joy. But you know who does not like the Muslim immigrant from Africa/Democratic nominee for New York City mayor? New York Times assignment editor Chris Rufo or the New York Times.
On Thursday afternoon before the holiday weekend, the Times dropped a real fucked up turd of a story on Mamdani (dont worry, thats a no-clicks-for-them archive link) a real SCOOP! and GOTCHA! about how as a teenager, 16 years ago, he had checked boxes pronouncing himself Asian and Black or African American when applying for Columbia. About halfway through the story, the Times deigned to mention he didnt even get in. They also let us know the application was among the bounty of Columbia admissions records that had been hacked (by an anti-affirmative-action criminal group, apparently), and their intermediary was a man they had promised to keep anonymous but they eventually updated to let us know he liked to write about I.Q. and race.
This story was an ethical catastrophe so of course the New York Times has doubled down, tripled down, and is braying all over the known universe that people being like what the fucking FUCK New York Times? proves its right.
Let us count some YOU FUCKING KIDDING US WITH THIS.
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On Thursday afternoon before the holiday weekend, the Times dropped a real fucked up turd of a story on Mamdani (dont worry, thats a no-clicks-for-them archive link) a real SCOOP! and GOTCHA! about how as a teenager, 16 years ago, he had checked boxes pronouncing himself Asian and Black or African American when applying for Columbia. About halfway through the story, the Times deigned to mention he didnt even get in. They also let us know the application was among the bounty of Columbia admissions records that had been hacked (by an anti-affirmative-action criminal group, apparently), and their intermediary was a man they had promised to keep anonymous but they eventually updated to let us know he liked to write about I.Q. and race.
This story was an ethical catastrophe so of course the New York Times has doubled down, tripled down, and is braying all over the known universe that people being like what the fucking FUCK New York Times? proves its right.
Let us count some YOU FUCKING KIDDING US WITH THIS.
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July 6, 2025
The American Dream requires a healthy populace who aren't crushed by medical costs -- Thom Hartmann
https://hartmannreport.com/p/chapter-11-the-american-dream-requiresThe United States is the only country in the developed world that doesnt define healthcare as an absolute right for all of its citizens.
Thats it. Were the only one left. Were the only country in the developed world where somebody getting sick can leave a family bankrupt, destitute, and homeless.
A half-million American families are wiped out every year so completely that they must lose everything and declare bankruptcy just because somebody got sick. The number of health-expense-related bankruptcies in all the other developed countries in the world combined is zero.
Yet the United States spends more on healthcare than any other country in the world: about 17% of GDP.[cxxxii]
Switzerland, Germany, France, Sweden and Japan all average around 11%, and Canada, Denmark, Belgium, Austria, Norway, Netherlands, United Kingdom, New Zealand and Australia all come in between 9.3% and 10.5%.[cxxxiii]
Health insurance premiums right now make up about 22% of all taxable payroll (and dont even cover all working people), whereas Medicare For All would run an estimated 10% and would cover every man, woman, and child in America.[cxxxiv]
How and why are Americans being played for such suckers?
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Thats it. Were the only one left. Were the only country in the developed world where somebody getting sick can leave a family bankrupt, destitute, and homeless.
A half-million American families are wiped out every year so completely that they must lose everything and declare bankruptcy just because somebody got sick. The number of health-expense-related bankruptcies in all the other developed countries in the world combined is zero.
Yet the United States spends more on healthcare than any other country in the world: about 17% of GDP.[cxxxii]
Switzerland, Germany, France, Sweden and Japan all average around 11%, and Canada, Denmark, Belgium, Austria, Norway, Netherlands, United Kingdom, New Zealand and Australia all come in between 9.3% and 10.5%.[cxxxiii]
Health insurance premiums right now make up about 22% of all taxable payroll (and dont even cover all working people), whereas Medicare For All would run an estimated 10% and would cover every man, woman, and child in America.[cxxxiv]
How and why are Americans being played for such suckers?
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July 6, 2025
In a new book, political economist Benjamin Cohen considers the forces driving nations including the United States toward fragmentation
Could America break apart? UCSB expert explores the possibility
https://news.ucsb.edu/2025/021936/could-america-break-apart-ucsb-expert-explores-possibilityIn a new book, political economist Benjamin Cohen considers the forces driving nations including the United States toward fragmentation
Benjamin Cohen begins his new book his 20th, if you are counting with a fictional news dispatch from the year 2035.
After years of festering discontent with the direction of politics in Washington, California today formally declared its independence as a sovereign nation, it reads. President Vance has threatened a military takeover of state government in Sacramento, backed by National Guard troops from nearby red states. Armed conflict looks increasingly possible.
A provocative scenario, all the more plausible coming at a time when Californias governor is furious at the president for ordering troops into the state to keep order at immigration protests. But for all our partisan acrimony and political polarization, America isnt really headed towards a second Civil War right?
I wish I could be that sanguine about it, said Distinguished Professor Emeritus Cohen, who spent 30 years as the Louis G. Lancaster Professor of International Political Economy in the Political Science Department at UC Santa Barbara before retiring from teaching in 2021. Im not. It seems to me we cannot ignore the risks of the current fissures and fragmentation the breakdown of a sense of community.
Given that todays political divide is more between urban and rural as opposed to North vs. South or East vs. West, Its difficult for me to imagine how things would divide up if there were a civil war, Cohen added. But the probability of such a war is substantially greater than zero.
Cohens views on the subject are extremely well-informed. His new book Dream States: A Lurking Nightmare for the World Order (Oxford University Press, 2025) is a comprehensive guide to secession movements currently active all around the world. He provides an assessment of the risk of these efforts leading to violence, and offers a possible path to diffusing tensions.
I consider secession a grievously underappreciated phenomenon, he said. My motivation to write this book was to call peoples attention to this fact.
We tend to simplify geography by looking exclusively at the existing lines on a map that separate one sovereign state from another, he continued. But the reality is there are many people within those states that are very unhappy with the arrangement. Theyd prefer to draw the lines in a different way. In some cases, theyre prepared to fight to redraw those lines.
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After years of festering discontent with the direction of politics in Washington, California today formally declared its independence as a sovereign nation, it reads. President Vance has threatened a military takeover of state government in Sacramento, backed by National Guard troops from nearby red states. Armed conflict looks increasingly possible.
A provocative scenario, all the more plausible coming at a time when Californias governor is furious at the president for ordering troops into the state to keep order at immigration protests. But for all our partisan acrimony and political polarization, America isnt really headed towards a second Civil War right?
I wish I could be that sanguine about it, said Distinguished Professor Emeritus Cohen, who spent 30 years as the Louis G. Lancaster Professor of International Political Economy in the Political Science Department at UC Santa Barbara before retiring from teaching in 2021. Im not. It seems to me we cannot ignore the risks of the current fissures and fragmentation the breakdown of a sense of community.
Given that todays political divide is more between urban and rural as opposed to North vs. South or East vs. West, Its difficult for me to imagine how things would divide up if there were a civil war, Cohen added. But the probability of such a war is substantially greater than zero.
Cohens views on the subject are extremely well-informed. His new book Dream States: A Lurking Nightmare for the World Order (Oxford University Press, 2025) is a comprehensive guide to secession movements currently active all around the world. He provides an assessment of the risk of these efforts leading to violence, and offers a possible path to diffusing tensions.
I consider secession a grievously underappreciated phenomenon, he said. My motivation to write this book was to call peoples attention to this fact.
We tend to simplify geography by looking exclusively at the existing lines on a map that separate one sovereign state from another, he continued. But the reality is there are many people within those states that are very unhappy with the arrangement. Theyd prefer to draw the lines in a different way. In some cases, theyre prepared to fight to redraw those lines.
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July 6, 2025
Heather Cox Richardson: Trump signs 1,000 page budget bill...
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-5-2025Yesterday afternoon, President Donald J. Trump signed the nearly 1,000-page budget reconciliation bill Republicans passed last week. Trump had demanded Congress pass the measure by July 4, and Republicans rammed it through despite the bills deep unpopularity and Congresss lack of debate on it. When House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) presented Trump with the speakers gavel during the signing event, the symbolism of the gift was a little too on the nose.
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The measure makes the 2017 Trump tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, which were due to expire at the end of this year, permanent. At the bills signing, Trump harked back to the idea Republicans have embraced since 1980, claiming that tax cuts spark economic growth. He said: After this kicks in, our country is going to be a rocket ship economically.
In fact, tax cuts since 1981 have not driven growth, and a study by the nonpartisan Penn Wharton Budget Model of the University of Pennsylvania projects that the measure will decrease national productivity, known as gross domestic product (GDP), by 0.3% in ten years and drop the average wage by 0.4% in the same time frame.
From 1981 to 2021, tax cuts moved more than $50 trillion from the bottom 90% to the top 1%, and Penn Wharton projects the top 10% of households will receive about 80% of the total value of this law, too. Those in the top 20% of earners can expect to see nearly $13,000 a year from the bill, while those in the bottom 20% of households will lose about $885 in 2030 as the pieces of the law take effect.
Past tax cuts have also driven budget deficits and increases in the national debt, and like them, this law will increase the deficit by about $3.4 trillion over the next ten years, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The CBO also projects that interest payments on that debt will cost more than $1 trillion a year.
Sam Goldfarb and Justin Lahart of the Wall Street Journal noted on Thursday that economists, investors and politicians are sounding the alarm that the U.S. is bingeing on debt when there is no national emergency like a pandemic or a war to require taking on such debt. The measure will raise the nations debt ceiling by $5 trillion.
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The measure makes the 2017 Trump tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, which were due to expire at the end of this year, permanent. At the bills signing, Trump harked back to the idea Republicans have embraced since 1980, claiming that tax cuts spark economic growth. He said: After this kicks in, our country is going to be a rocket ship economically.
In fact, tax cuts since 1981 have not driven growth, and a study by the nonpartisan Penn Wharton Budget Model of the University of Pennsylvania projects that the measure will decrease national productivity, known as gross domestic product (GDP), by 0.3% in ten years and drop the average wage by 0.4% in the same time frame.
From 1981 to 2021, tax cuts moved more than $50 trillion from the bottom 90% to the top 1%, and Penn Wharton projects the top 10% of households will receive about 80% of the total value of this law, too. Those in the top 20% of earners can expect to see nearly $13,000 a year from the bill, while those in the bottom 20% of households will lose about $885 in 2030 as the pieces of the law take effect.
Past tax cuts have also driven budget deficits and increases in the national debt, and like them, this law will increase the deficit by about $3.4 trillion over the next ten years, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The CBO also projects that interest payments on that debt will cost more than $1 trillion a year.
Sam Goldfarb and Justin Lahart of the Wall Street Journal noted on Thursday that economists, investors and politicians are sounding the alarm that the U.S. is bingeing on debt when there is no national emergency like a pandemic or a war to require taking on such debt. The measure will raise the nations debt ceiling by $5 trillion.
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July 6, 2025

Lots of films - some I recognize.
Like we did last summer: Top 20 Rock Musicals -- Dennis Hartley
https://digbysblog.net/2025/07/05/like-we-did-last-summer-top-12-rock-musicals/
Ah, July 4th weekend. Nothing kicks off Summer like an all-American holiday that encourages mass consumption of animal flesh (charcoal-grilled to carcinogenic perfection), binge drinking, and subsequent drunken handling of explosive materials. Well, for most people. Being the semi-reclusive weirdo that I am (although I prefer the term gregarious loner), nothing kicks off summer for me like holing up for the holiday weekend with an armload of my favorite rock n roll musicals. For your consideration (or condemnation) here are my Top 20. Per usual, I present them in no ranking order. For those about to rock
I salute you.
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Lots of films - some I recognize.
July 5, 2025
A beautiful and thoughtful piece.
No Kings Day Reflections from an American-Irish in the Home of Her Ancestors -- EmptyWheel
https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/07/04/no-kings-day-reflections-from-an-american-irish-in-the-home-of-her-ancestors/A beautiful and thoughtful piece.
I took off this week to come to Gaeltacht one of the small areas on this wee island in which locals still use Irish on a daily basis to try to learn more Gaeilge.
Its a curious place to spend the Fourth of July.
When I decided to come here it meant little more to me than a place I could immerse myself, sort of, for a week. The blurbs said little more than that the school offered both language classes and cultural classes things like harp playing and weaving and folklore. But being here, it has the feel of one of the Jesuit retreat centers at which my late mother guided retreats: in a stunningly beautiful remote location, where you can hear and often cannot escape from the wind and on the occasional clear day see the stars, and a whole rhythm to the day to facilitate a kind of contemplation.
It is a place people come to contemplate Irishness or perhaps to use Irishness as a means to contemplate.
A storyteller who performed the other day spoke about the rhythm of it all: the rhythm of the language, of the music, of the verse, of the dance, of the weaving.
Its a place where people Irish people, people who identify as Irish, and people who take meaning from Irishness come to preserve and participate in those traditions that sustained Irishness during colonization. Both because of that Saving Civilization bit (one of Irelands founding saints lived here for a bit and, as is true of many places on the coast, theres an island nearby with an old ruined monastery) and because of the recurring Irish effort to build a nation out of the oral tradition that refused to be stamped out by the British, Irishness serves as a celebrated from-ness, to people far and near, even if (and if were honest, partly because) Ireland went through a lot of death and misery to get there.

And so it is here in this beautiful place of from-ness that I look west and contemplate a celebration of the Colonies break from the same empire from which Ireland would, eventually, free itself too, free itself in significant part by building on that oral tradition. As cities cancel the celebration of defying Kings because a white man who wants to disappear all the diverse from-ness that Made America Great has started disappearing actual people, I am thinking about how this from-ness in which Im immersed (sort of), is what my ancestors and those of millions others brought to America to make up an identity called Irish-American. That process of bringing a from-ness to (or, for Native Americans, sustaining it in) America has been replicated in thousands of ways. The part of America that is Great is the one that weaves all that diverse from-ness together into one tapestry.
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Its a curious place to spend the Fourth of July.
When I decided to come here it meant little more to me than a place I could immerse myself, sort of, for a week. The blurbs said little more than that the school offered both language classes and cultural classes things like harp playing and weaving and folklore. But being here, it has the feel of one of the Jesuit retreat centers at which my late mother guided retreats: in a stunningly beautiful remote location, where you can hear and often cannot escape from the wind and on the occasional clear day see the stars, and a whole rhythm to the day to facilitate a kind of contemplation.
It is a place people come to contemplate Irishness or perhaps to use Irishness as a means to contemplate.
A storyteller who performed the other day spoke about the rhythm of it all: the rhythm of the language, of the music, of the verse, of the dance, of the weaving.
Its a place where people Irish people, people who identify as Irish, and people who take meaning from Irishness come to preserve and participate in those traditions that sustained Irishness during colonization. Both because of that Saving Civilization bit (one of Irelands founding saints lived here for a bit and, as is true of many places on the coast, theres an island nearby with an old ruined monastery) and because of the recurring Irish effort to build a nation out of the oral tradition that refused to be stamped out by the British, Irishness serves as a celebrated from-ness, to people far and near, even if (and if were honest, partly because) Ireland went through a lot of death and misery to get there.

And so it is here in this beautiful place of from-ness that I look west and contemplate a celebration of the Colonies break from the same empire from which Ireland would, eventually, free itself too, free itself in significant part by building on that oral tradition. As cities cancel the celebration of defying Kings because a white man who wants to disappear all the diverse from-ness that Made America Great has started disappearing actual people, I am thinking about how this from-ness in which Im immersed (sort of), is what my ancestors and those of millions others brought to America to make up an identity called Irish-American. That process of bringing a from-ness to (or, for Native Americans, sustaining it in) America has been replicated in thousands of ways. The part of America that is Great is the one that weaves all that diverse from-ness together into one tapestry.
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July 4, 2025
Shira Perlmutter lost her job after her office published report on generative AI and fair use limits
Ousted US copyright chief argues Trump did not have power to remove her -- The Register
https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/04/copyright_office_trump_filing/Shira Perlmutter lost her job after her office published report on generative AI and fair use limits
The former head of the US Copyright Office has pushed back against arguments from President Donald Trump's team that her dismissal was lawful.
Shira Perlmutter was ousted after the US Copyright Office released a report challenging the limits of the "fair use" defense used by AI companies to justify training their models on copyrighted material.
In a filing [PDF] to support her attempt to obtain a preliminary injunction this week, Perlmutter argued that her removal was unlawful and caused her immediate and irreparable harm. It said that by firing her, the Trump administration threatened her office's ability to function in the manner that Congress intended.
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Perlmutter was expunged from office a few days after Librarian of Congress Carla Hayden was also shown the door. Hayden was later replaced by deputy attorney general Todd Blanche and Perlmutter by deputy attorney general Paul Perkins.
In the latest filing this week, Perlmutter's legal team said the administration's claim that it had the power to remove her from an office appointed by the Library of Congress employed a "novel constitutional theory" and "sweeping assertions of power."
The Copyright Office is housed in the Library of Congress, and the librarian oversees the Copyright Office head directly, Perlmutter said. Her filing argued that "neither the law nor common sense requires" that the court should "should stand idly by and do nothing while [the Trump administration] wields unprecedented, and unlawful, authority."
Shira Perlmutter was ousted after the US Copyright Office released a report challenging the limits of the "fair use" defense used by AI companies to justify training their models on copyrighted material.
In a filing [PDF] to support her attempt to obtain a preliminary injunction this week, Perlmutter argued that her removal was unlawful and caused her immediate and irreparable harm. It said that by firing her, the Trump administration threatened her office's ability to function in the manner that Congress intended.
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Perlmutter was expunged from office a few days after Librarian of Congress Carla Hayden was also shown the door. Hayden was later replaced by deputy attorney general Todd Blanche and Perlmutter by deputy attorney general Paul Perkins.
In the latest filing this week, Perlmutter's legal team said the administration's claim that it had the power to remove her from an office appointed by the Library of Congress employed a "novel constitutional theory" and "sweeping assertions of power."
The Copyright Office is housed in the Library of Congress, and the librarian oversees the Copyright Office head directly, Perlmutter said. Her filing argued that "neither the law nor common sense requires" that the court should "should stand idly by and do nothing while [the Trump administration] wields unprecedented, and unlawful, authority."
July 4, 2025
Sabrina Haake
They picked the worst possible time to disarm federal judges.
From criminal immunity to concentration camps, the Catholic majority on SCOTUS must be proud
https://sabrinahaake.substack.com/p/from-criminal-immunity-to-concentrationSabrina Haake
They picked the worst possible time to disarm federal judges.
Concentration camps are often compared to prisons, but that comparison is inaccurate. In the United States, inmates arrive in penitentiaries only after they have been convicted of serious crimes, under criminal processes constrained by the US Constitution at all times. Starting with probable cause (which brown skin is not); then arrest (you have the right to remain silent); followed by voluntary pleading (coerced confessions are thrown out); leading to formal trial (bench or jury, defendants choice), based only on admissible evidence (hearsay/unsupported opinions are not admissible), Constitutional constraints apply at every juncture. If they falter, appellate courts are watching.
While innocent people assuredly have been wrongly convicted since our penal system was created in the late 1700s, their wrongful convictions were not produced by system design. Before Trump, wrongful, sloppy, or vengeance-driven criminal convictions of the innocent were the product of flawed men, not a flawed system.
People in concentration camps, in contrast, reflect an illegal system. The crucial distinction between prison and concentration camps is that concentration camp detainment is independent of any judicial review; inmates in camps have not been convicted of any crime. Concentration camps are most often used for political reasons, or to incarcerate people whom the governing regime sees as a threat.
A sinful celebration of cruelty
Rounded up under maniacal whims of an autocrat, concentration camp inmates dont represent the rule of law, they represent an autocrats lust for power. This week, Donald Trump, accompanied by grinning ghouls Kristi Noem and Ron DeSantis, toured their newest and cruelest toy to date, Alligator Alcatraz, where they laughed in anticipation of the upcoming cruelty.
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While innocent people assuredly have been wrongly convicted since our penal system was created in the late 1700s, their wrongful convictions were not produced by system design. Before Trump, wrongful, sloppy, or vengeance-driven criminal convictions of the innocent were the product of flawed men, not a flawed system.
People in concentration camps, in contrast, reflect an illegal system. The crucial distinction between prison and concentration camps is that concentration camp detainment is independent of any judicial review; inmates in camps have not been convicted of any crime. Concentration camps are most often used for political reasons, or to incarcerate people whom the governing regime sees as a threat.
A sinful celebration of cruelty
Rounded up under maniacal whims of an autocrat, concentration camp inmates dont represent the rule of law, they represent an autocrats lust for power. This week, Donald Trump, accompanied by grinning ghouls Kristi Noem and Ron DeSantis, toured their newest and cruelest toy to date, Alligator Alcatraz, where they laughed in anticipation of the upcoming cruelty.
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July 4, 2025
Concentration Camp Labor Cannot Become Normal -- Timothy Snyder
https://snyder.substack.com/p/concentration-camp-laborWith the passage of Trump's death bill, we face the prospect of many great harms, including an archipelago of concentration camps across the United States.
Concentration camps are sites of tempting slave labor. Among many other aims, the Soviets used concentration camp labor to build canals and work mines. The Nazi German concentration camp system followed a capitalist version of the same logic: it drew in businesses with the prospect of inexpensive labor.
We know this and have no excuse not to act.
What happens next in the U.S.? Workers who are presented as "undocumented" will be taken to the camps. Perhaps they will work in the camps themselves, as slaves to government projects. But more likely they will be offered to American companies on special terms: a one-time payment to the government, for example, with no need for wages or benefits. In the simplest version, and perhaps the most likely, detained people will be offered back to the companies for which they were just working. Their stay in the concentration camp will be presented as a purge or a legalization for which companies should be grateful. Trump has already said that this is the idea, calling it "owner responsibility."
We should remember what drew I.G Farben into Auschwitz: profit. But there are of course precedents for extreme exploitation in American history, including but not limited to the history of chattel slavery. And slavery is not entirely illegal in the United States. The Thirteenth Amendment allows slavery if only as punishment for a crime. The people described as "undocumented" or "denaturalized" (and other categories sure to be invented soon) are portrayed as criminals.
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Concentration camps are sites of tempting slave labor. Among many other aims, the Soviets used concentration camp labor to build canals and work mines. The Nazi German concentration camp system followed a capitalist version of the same logic: it drew in businesses with the prospect of inexpensive labor.
We know this and have no excuse not to act.
What happens next in the U.S.? Workers who are presented as "undocumented" will be taken to the camps. Perhaps they will work in the camps themselves, as slaves to government projects. But more likely they will be offered to American companies on special terms: a one-time payment to the government, for example, with no need for wages or benefits. In the simplest version, and perhaps the most likely, detained people will be offered back to the companies for which they were just working. Their stay in the concentration camp will be presented as a purge or a legalization for which companies should be grateful. Trump has already said that this is the idea, calling it "owner responsibility."
We should remember what drew I.G Farben into Auschwitz: profit. But there are of course precedents for extreme exploitation in American history, including but not limited to the history of chattel slavery. And slavery is not entirely illegal in the United States. The Thirteenth Amendment allows slavery if only as punishment for a crime. The people described as "undocumented" or "denaturalized" (and other categories sure to be invented soon) are portrayed as criminals.
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