January 18, 2016

I love the top post. It really resonates with me. Thank you ...

Doesn't anyone recall her hammering Obama's healthcare efforts during the 2008 election? "Shame on you Barack Obama" for criticizing her plan. And now it's fine to criticize Bernie's single payer, while she loves Obama's healthcare so much she wants to expand on it? (and let the .1% of Americans without healthcare who miss out on that expansion die - it is a tough climb to single payer but at least Bernie's going to fight for them)

In 2008, she was Annie Oakley on guns. Now?

I could go on and on.

I swear that if you presented a black automobile tire to Hillary, she could argue relentlessly that it was really white all along if doing so would get her any more votes.

That BS is such a turnoff to me, she's not much better than the GOP.

The more this campaign has gone on, the more confident I've become in Bernie Sanders and my confidence in Hillary Clinton has fallen along with that.

January 18, 2016

This is the thing that drives me nuts on this issue:

0.1% of that 30 million = 30,000 Americans, according to Harvard's study, die each year because they don't have health care.

45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/


Because Hillary thinks solving that would be hard, even if she improves healthcare, she's accepted that thousands of Americans must continue to die each year because they don't have healthcare coverage. Bernie disagrees and wants deaths due to lack of healthcare coverage to stop happening in America.

This is a life and death issue. In 2016, the United States will quietly endure the deaths of ten times the number of Americans we lost on 9/11. Now the GOP were hot to spend trillions to avenge those 3,000 on 9/11 but they won't spend a dime to avenge the 30,000 dying each year because they do not have healthcare coverage.

It blows my mind. I just cannot understand how these folks could let 30,000 Americans die year after year.

Hillary's direction doesn't fully address it. And she should be called out for it.

I don't know why Bernie doesn't hit folks up with those facts.

January 18, 2016

Here's what I've been able to collect

TIME
http://time.com/4183949/democratic-debate-fourth-charleston-poll-survey/
Sanders 87% Clinton 10% O'Malley 3%

in Dec Sanders 84% Clinton 13% O'Malley 3%
in Nov Sanders 81% Clinton 14% O'Malley 5%

heavy.com
http://heavy.com/news/2016/01/poll-who-won-the-democratic-debate/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HeavyTV+%28Heavy.com+%C2%BB+TV%29
Sanders 90% Clinton 8% O'Malley 2%

syracuse.com
http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/poll_who_won_sundays_democratic_2016_presidential_debate.html
Sanders 95% Clinton 4% O'Malley 2%

Nov Sanders 92% Clinton 5% O'Malley 3%

nj.com
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/poll_who_do_you_think_will_win_the_democratic_pres_1.html
Sanders 91% Clinton 6% O'Malley 2%

politicalpeopleblog.com
http://www.politicalpeopleblog.com/poll-who-is-winning-the-nbc-news-democratic-debate/
Sanders 93% Clinton 6% O'Malley 2%

newsok.com
http://newsok.com/article/5472783?utm_source=NewsOK.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=NIC-Twitter
Sanders 68% Clinton 20% O'Malley 11%

Slate
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/who_won_the_democratic_presidential_debate_vote_in_our_poll.html
Sanders 82% Clinton 14% O'Malley 3%

Dec Sanders 81% Clinton 13% O'Malley 3%
Nov Sanders 80% Clinton 14% O'Malley 3%

Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2016/jan/17/who-won-democratic-debate-sunday-night/
Sanders 55% Clinton 7% O'Malley 2% Trump 19% GOP 19%

Dec Sanders 87% Clinton 7% O'Malley 1%
Nov Sanders 95% Clinton 4% O'Malley 3%

FOX
http://fox5sandiego.com/2016/01/17/poll-who-won-the-4th-democratic-debate/
Sanders 94% Clinton 4% O'Malley 2

Dec Sanders 92% Clinton 7% O'Malley 2%
Nov Sanders 94% Clinton 9% O'Malley 3%

CSPAN
https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN?_rdr=p
Sanders 72% Clinton 23% O'Malley 6%

Nov Sanders 80% Clinton 16% O'Malley 4%

I realize the above are online and not scientific but many of the above do not allow more than one vote per IP address.

Rechecked at 12:16am.

Dec Polls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251926577#post8

Nov polls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251810199#post43

January 17, 2016

If Debbie is really that stupid - to put debates on at the times she did

expecting to "to maximize the opportunity for voters to see our candidates" then she's proven she really hasn't got a friggin' clue and should resign immediately.

Fact is the co-chair of the Clinton campaign is just doing what her candidate did this week and for much of her political career: lying.

Her candidate had a big lead and the schedule was to minimize anyone seeing a debate that could cut into that big lead. Sanders wasn't well known and co-Clinton campaign chair Debbie wants to keep it that way (which is why you need to be wary of the national polls).

January 17, 2016

No way I'd prefer a GOP candidate over either of them but

the last few days have convinced me that Bernie would be the better president.

Bernie has a real rudder. He know what he believes and why. He's consistent. He can be honest about it and has been. He can compromise to get things done, etc. He's got wisdom based upon common sense. He's a solid, decent, principled human being truly interested in helping Americans more than taking money from special interests and lusting for power like Hillary.

The last few days remind me of the difference between Obama and McCain when McCain suspended his campaign while Obama stayed calm and cool. During the 2008 primary, Obama stayed calm and cool under pressure while Hillary and her campaign flew off the handle. In 2016, we're seeing more of the same: quick, thoughtless reactions to developments or circumstances instead of calm, cool and carefully considered leadership. That's a disturbing pattern from Hillary over a long span of years.

Recently, once again, like the bogus "shame on you Barack Obama" Hillary claim of 2008, we've seen Hillary and her campaign lash out, get dishonest and mean. That's not a good trait for someone who would be walking around with launch codes (not that she's certain to use them but she's looking more likely than Bernie).

And we've seen the result of "no drama Obama" compared to past administrations. We have not been overwhelmed by scandals in the administration with the biggest being ... Hillary.

How Hillary has run her last two national campaigns is indicative of how she'll lead the country - just like we saw with the Obama campaigns and how he ran his administration. I question her ability to do the job well because she is reactive, like McCain doesn't think things through and will quickly resort to dishonesty like she did this week and has done her whole career. She's not locked down in her beliefs - she'll opportunistically flip-flop like McCain to whatever way might get her more votes. Her primary principle seems to be to get power.

I'm more positive than ever before that Bernie will make a much better president than Hillary. I have absolutely no doubt about it now.

Win or lose, I think I'll always have the utmost respect for Bernie Sanders. He gave a lot of good people in America really good things to hope for based upon honesty, decency, fairness, respect for his dishonest opponent and a plausible path to get them. That's really good leadership.

January 15, 2016

I've had that bogus "shame on you Barack Obama" attack running through

my thoughts since yesterday.

There's a lot about what happened in 2008 that feels similar today except that "shame on you" came after 2/3rds of the primary was already over and Obama had it pretty much locked up.

Clearly, something is up and Clinton is desperately trying to stop the bleeding.

January 15, 2016

from the looks of that chart ...

... he's better!!

(not serious - I'm very fond of both of them)

I'm just a little giddy with the Berns from the apparent implosion

January 14, 2016

If Hillary is incapable of grasping Sanders' healthcare plan like Politifact did so easily,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511005890

after all of her experience in that area since Hillarycare ...

Then she should withdraw because she clearly isn't up to doing the job she's running for.

January 14, 2016

Hillary has been lying for a long, long time

Nothing new here.

Published on Nov 9, 2015 POLL: 60% OF AMERICANS THINK HILLARY IS UNTRUSTWORTHY AND DISHONEST

Top first words that come to mind when thinking of Hillary (Quinnipiac)

liar
dishonest
untrustworthy
...
untruthful
deceitful
...
criminal
unethical
...
trouble
deceptive
Benghazi
...
arogant
sneaky
crook
corrupt
...
murder
theif
cheat

there's some good words too but a lot of prominent bad words questioning her honesty.

If being a liar could get one elected, this thing would have been over a long time ago. I don't think anyone would dare run against her!

January 14, 2016

I remember quite early in 2008 CNN did analysis

that kind of pissed me off.

They were wondering why Obama wasn't getting the black vote in some of the very early caucuses.

Sometimes it bothers me when they slice and dice racially because carries on racism to a degree. (don't care to debate that right now - as what I'm about to say may be hypocritical).

The point being that CNN observed there was a delayed shift to Obama among blacks during the primary.

Having said that, I agree with you that the Clintons have enjoyed strong support over the years from blacks and there's no way Bernie will get the support from them that Obama enjoyed.

But Bernie is appealing to independents and Republicans and other groups.

As much as Obama wound up with overwhelming support from blacks, I also feel to this day that about 10-20% of white Americans would never consider him because of their racism. And Bernie does't have to concern himself with that. Of course, he may face antisemitism to a lesser degree.

It still saddens me some to have this type of discussion. I wish we were past this.