Rebecca Traister on Hillary Clinton and the complexity of response to a woman good at politics

This is a podcast between Ezra Klein and Rebecca Traister which starts with the sexual harassment issue and moves from that to the perceptions of Hillary Clinton (about minute 40) and her campaign and how she's a "loser" when she won 3 million more votes.

It's all too complex to simplify, but I kept saying, yes, yes, as they go into something that keeps coming up in gender and race issues, that women and people of color are regarded as super-powerful in those moments of protest or action which lift them out of powerlessness.

Also, Traister cannily points out that much of the media/public perception of Clinton might have been formed by the Fox Duo (Ailes and O'Reilly), Mark Halperin (wrote the book about her campaign in 2008), and Donald Trump-- sexual abusers all.

Anyway, I found it really illuminating-- these two have a great conversation that really is a conversation that gets deeper and more insightful because of their interaction.

https://player.fm/series/the-ezra-klein-show/rebecca-traister-on-metoo-female-rage-and-anita-hills-legacy